The Eternal Dispute

Which one is more shitty at fighting?

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The one that lost to Ethiopia.

shoo shoo, anglo

France by far. Winning the 100 years war and being the most dominant power in Europe for centuries and just when they were declining, bam, they defeated all of Europe and became the most influential power. Don't fall for the Amerfat memes of surrender monkeys Also , Romans don't count since they're not modern Italians.

Italy and it's not even close.

whoops, goofed. I meant to say Italy was the worst. I provided reasons why France isn't the shittiest.

>Also , Romans don't count since they're not modern Italians

Fuck you then. You're only allowed to compare French to Italian military history from 1861 to the modern age in that case since it's when Italy started existing.

*1871

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Italy no question.

Isn't there a good Rommel quote about this? Italians aren't bad soldiers but have terrible generals/leaders.

Still though Italy takes the cake compared with France.

That's when Germany started existing. Italy was unofied in 1861.

Napoleon was Italian.

oh boy, here we go

Bohooo, the countries that lost WW2 arr shit at war.
Japan is shit at war, and Germany cannot understand her limits in it and sucks at attrition wars.
Germans are strategical idiots.
But Italy isn't, Mussolini asked multiple times for the ceasing of German operations in Russia but was unlistened, he wrote it on his diary, that probably here nobody fucking read.
But still, Italy is shit at war hohoho.

Denmark

It's true. He himself considered Italy too devided to start something there so went to France. Have you noticed how he copied Julius Caesar in every step of his political and military life? He was a Romeboo, and an Italian.

Italy seems obvious
France has a pretty strong military history and plenty of victories under its belt but American memes like muh surrendered in ww2 seem to prevail

>It's an Anglos pretend anti-French sentiment was created by Americans thread

Yeah this is Veeky Forums. Most people don't know shit about any war, but just look the battles on wikipedia.

Romanian is the 2nd closest to Latin you fucking bastard REEEEEEE

>English
>Latin

U wot m8. Saying English is a Latin language is like a German car with some Italian parts is now Italian

English is 25perc latin, 25perc french and 30perc germanic. The rest is a mixture of Greek and Celtic. Here you are. English is more latin than what you thought. The only thing that classifies English as Germanic is the grammatical structure of the language. Study etimology.

English is a germanic language that was influenced a lot by romance languages but it's still a germanic language

What happened to Napoleon again?

>it's a false flag made to look like it was created by an Anglo so Veeky Forums can cry about them again thread

What has this got to do with Napoleon again? retard.

He hated Italians and considered them a weak race.

>he hated something that didn't exist yet

Trying too hard, frog.

Italians are literally the niggers of europe. The women are ugly, the men spend all their money on alcohol and even uglier gypsy whores while sitting in the piles of trash they call cities (i.e Naples). It's hard to understand how a country so perfectly situated and with such a glorious history can be such a complete shit stain. Good wine though.

He was born in France and considered himself French

He was a Corsican independentist early on.

This is like saying people born in German Polish territories are German, or English ruled Ireland are English.

Your greatest leader was an Italian, get over it.

As a teenager, yes. Which means nothing. As an adult, which is when his opinions actually mattered he was proudly French

>Your greatest leader
But that isn't Richelieu

>This is like saying people born in German Polish territories are German
Yes, they usually are unless they say otherwise. Falkenhayn was German and he was born in modern day Poland.

So if a nigger moves to France right now and starts considering himself French he's 100% French?

>Which one is more shitty at fighting?
Whatever country OP is from for creating this shitty fucking thread.

Except Napoleon considered himself a Corsican Italian.

The difference is that Napoleon was born in France whereas they just moved to France and more often than not hate France

He never called himself Italian.

>The difference is that Napoleon was born in France

Okay, a nigger that was born in France but speaks his native African language and was part of terrorist groups against the French government earlier on his life. Happy now?

Nobody was Italian at the time. This is irrelevant.

You realize the concept of someone being Italian existed prior to unification? Books in the era frequently refer to the region of 'Italy' and the Italian language. Why do you think they ever unified in the first place.

Partial Unification even existed prior to fragmenting
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Italy_(Holy_Roman_Empire)

>Okay, a nigger that was born in France
So by the definition of nationality he is a Frenchman

>Nobody was Italian at the time. This is irrelevant.
Prior to unification people often collectively refered to people from the city states as "Italians"

Are Guyanese French?

>Italian unification is still a topic of debate. According to Massimo d'Azeglio, centuries of foreign domination created remarkable differences in Italian society, and the role of the newly formed government was to face these differences and to create a unified Italian society. Still today the most famous quote of Massimo d'Azeglio is, "L'Italia รจ fatta. Restano da fare gli italiani" (Italy has been made. Now it remains to make Italians).

There are several North Italians (specially Venetians), Sicilians, Sardinians, Neapolitans, etc who don't identify as "Italian" today even. It's best to say Napoleon was Italic/Mediterranean to avoid confusion. Those aren't modern identities.

I don't think they are considered as such, because Guyana is an overseas region, unlike Corsica

He WAS Italian you fuckface frogshit, genetically and culturally Italian.
He is like many of the things you try to steal and emulate from us, like cheese, wines, cuisine in general, artworks, architectural style, generals and our lands(Savoia, Corsica, and Nizza).
Your cuisine sucks. Go suck cock and eat your dirty snails and frogs you fucking faggot.
Conquering Gaul was a mistake, you woukd disappoint Julius Caesar, insult of a people.

Yeah but this isn't the point.
He was racially Italian and that's it.
Italians aren't shit at fighting, we are masters. The whole of Europe was using Italian military techniques in the middle ages, and we forged the best weapons, and we built the best warboats, and we were the ones perfectioning artillery.

Italy, no question

Italy no doubt. But we've been better at diplomacy
t. Italian

He was Corsican you silly cunt lol

France

It kinda varies by region though. Terronia's military history is nothing but getting conquered and subjugated by other people.

Also, I made this handy pic for people who aren't acquainted with Italian regionalism. Other meme regional identities like Austrians, Ladins and Occitans not included.

>racially Italian
get out of here, /pol/

>we
Oh that explains a bit. Masters of fighting, indeed.

Are Venetians white&based

somebody's buttblasted lmao

Austria's military casualties were still higher overall despite Cadorna's blunders.

>k/d ratio argument mattering
>especially when the final "captured" number for austria includes their dissolving army in november 1918
Spaghettiaboo damage control is astounding... and yet it couldn't save the Roma :)

It's actually pretty funny to follow the single "source" for the casualties and how nonspecific it is.

haters gonna hate

Nice divide et impera germcuck BUT you shall not divide us

I thought the two sicilies and the kingdom of naples had some significant military successes?

Italy. France can fight just wine, I mean fine when it wants to

>cucked by Lombards
>cucked by Byzantines
>cucked by Moors
>cucked by Normans
>cucked by Aragonese
>cucked by Habsburgs
>cucked by Bourbons
>cucked by Savoys

Meanwhile, we Venetians were never touched by barbarians since 553 AD besides the eternal A*strian.