Despite being the son of a prestigious family, financially speaking, he had to start from scratch

Complete overrated cunt, he wrote a lot about how great he was, though he WAS GREAT, comparing him to Napoleon or Alexander is wrong. Rome died when he crossed the Rubicon with his legions and wasn't killed by his men, that was sacrilege. Not that he brought Rome down, it was already dead when he crossed.

>>declined a fucking Triumph

To be fair, that was necessary, they were trying to cock-block his candidacy for Consul -- he'd have to enter Rome to register his candidacy, but if he entered the city he'd sacrifice his imperium, and without imperium, he could not celebrate a triumph.

>First Roman General to cross the English Channel
>First Roman General to reach Britain

Literally the same thing

>Defeated Pompey, a living legend that Romans literally compared to Alexander the Great

But it seems to have been a falacious comparison -- Pompey shown as an organizer and administrator -- his military record is spotty at best.

>>His family name literally became the word used for "king" in many languages (Caesar, Kaiser, Tzar, Kaysar, et cetera)

His family name was Julius, but yeah, Caesar was pretty specific to the family up until later emperors co-opted it.

>Has a salad named after him

Salad is named after a Casino hotel in Las Vegas. Which was named after the more widespread use of "Caesar" as denoting a Roman Emperor. Which was, three steps removed, sort of like being named after him.

>Julius Caesar is literally the most alpha Veeky Forums figure and no one comes even close.

Certainly belongs on anybody's Top 10 list.

He was just another Sulla or Pompey.

The real genius was Augustus, and it is because of Augustus that Cæsar is famous.

That still seems to be where the name came from -- the legend that he was born that way.

>Comparatively speaking

Compared to whom? They were very rich compared to the head-count masses, but not among the super-rich at the top of Roman society until GJC fixed that.

But Caesar's father had been Praetor and Proconsul of Asia, which indicates some wealth (presumably for association with Marius.)

>Salad is named after a Casino hotel in Las Vegas.

I stand corrected, the user who posted about the chef is correct.

>But Caesar's father had been Praetor and Proconsul of Asia, which indicates some wealth (presumably for association with Marius.)

Sulla confiscated the entire wealth of the Julii for being related to Marius.

>Cyrus
>Alexander
>Caesar
>Genghis
>Napoleon

No one comes close to these guys in all round excellence.

Sure, you have the ibn al-Walids and Subutais of the world, but they never went beyond the battlefield.

The fact that he could inspire such loyalty amongst his legions speaks volumes about him. Rarely did his men ever complain and even when they did just the sight of him being disappointed in them made them beg him to let them fight for him again.

>Brought about the end of the Republic.
I'm glad he got stabbed to death. I hope he died screaming in agony.

Literally the other way around.

Octavian banked on nothing but being the son of the great Caesar. No adoption, no clout, no loyalty of Caesar's legions.

No one even paid Octavian any mind. Everyone thought Antony would be the great one to succeed Caesar.

I am pretty sure that's abuse of charisma or whatever.

The republic at the time of Caesar was already worthless

Back then women wouldn't survive c-sections.

Gustavus Adolphus and his O.G. Axel Oxenstierna

Firstly, nice trips.

Secondly, yes. The legend got debunked but his name was already the norm for c-sections.

Nope. Pic related brought about the end of the Republic.

youtu.be/GOlgZo5e7gI

>this scene still gives me a hard on
>mfw Cicero's look of resigned cuckoldry

>did horrible shit and by the measure of most peoples morals was a completely horrible person
>lets praise him he's alpha!

This is why hummanity sucks user, because of this mindset, because of your mindset. He literally genocided an entire tribe for shits and giggles, he should not be admired at all.

He and people like him are the only ones that merit being taken out back and shot.

We should learn from these psychopaths only as much as we need to destroy them.

>inb4 betacuck iz mad

Stop hiding behind memes you pansy.

>HAHA let me just use my adoptive father's legacy, money, and legions to conquer a broken state where all capable enemies are already killed by or fled my uncle (adoptive daddy)
Years later:
>Gets pwned by Germanics, which his uncle killed like fucking flies.

Wasn't it because his name is derived from a latin verb that means "to cut?"

Your cuck nu-male attitude does deserve those dub dubs.

Not even a librul, faggot, try again.

History is a marble carved by tyrants and benevolent liars, not nice guys and womyn.

t. Mad betacuck

So are you mad because he was violent and megalomaniacal?

Because
>He and people like him are the only ones that merit being taken out back and shot.
sound pretty violent and megalomaniacal.

The irony aside, you're still a cuck.

>gives a moral lecture
>on Veeky Forums

People come here to unleash their inner-demons. If you think anyone acts IRL the way they act on Veeky Forums then you're a two-digit-IQ guy.

ITT top memers

Dude, I agree that he's a monstrous piece of shit, but even I have to admit I respect the man for his impressive achievements.

>sound pretty violent and megalomaniacal.
Well we can't reform them and left to their own devices they engage in despicable acts and generally make the world a horrible place. What alternative is there?

I couldn´t agree more, fuckin´empire slowly went to shit soon after with just a few exceptions.(Augustus, Trajan, etc).

>I respect the man
That's your mistake, psychopaths deserve no respect or praise only analysis.

So he started a downward spiral?

>Dat apostrophe

That shit apostrophe makes me gnash my teeth whenever I see it. I know that from a grammatical standpoint that's the proper apostrophe and not this one

'
but my brain just can't get used to skimming through it while reading text.

>ruins a fun times with his moral preaching
That's why people don't invite you to parties

Stop having fun over peoples corpses you fuck.

Rome was on a downward spiral ever since the end of the Second Punic War. Sure, they continued to conquer and expand their influence, but the Roman spirit and classical ideas of being the citizen-soldier-farmer gave way to cults of personality and the growing middle class.

You are one seriously spooked little man.

I would blame the corrupt nobility and echelons of the Empire for the downfall of Rome. There were plenty of Emperors who were good or decent like Severus Alexander but then they just end up getting killed by people like Maximinus Thrax or by the Praetorian guard. There are also plagues and other stuff like bad winters outside of anyone's control which killed a good chunk of the empires populations and emperors like Claudius Gothicus.

The senate did after they decided granting the title of emperor to individuals with terrible leadership.
(Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, etc). Fuckin´Praetorian guard put Caligula´s uncle in power, granted he was ok, but the slim oportunnity the senate had to return to a republic vanished completely.
I can´t see why.

I agree, many factors influenced the slow fall of Rome. It angers me to think about it.

No, this is a proper apostrophe.

’
It’s

` is an accent.

>not wanting to end thousands of lives
>having normal human empathy
>not seeking to put everyone under my thumb
>This means you're spooked

well, yeah...I guess. Was that supposed to be an insult?

more like Rome was going down the shitter already and it took a combination of 2 truly great men to breathe life back into it

>Taking stirnerposting seriously
WEW
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>wants to end the lives of anyone who does not fit his worldview

That sounds familiar. I wonder...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription

Oh yeah.

>not getting bent out of shape about a major historical figure

Stop jerking yourself off to how "righteous" you are, you little turd. Why aren't you out actually making the world a better place if you're such a good man?

So you don't actually have a point, you're just memeing and shitposting?

If Augustus or the Julio-Claudians were better at pumping out kids I think Rome would have been a lot more stable.
Once anybody can be made Emperor all kinds of plots and generally destabilizing events can start happening.

>abuse of charisma
what does that even mean? Some sort of IRL hax?

Not the dude you replied before, but yes. Stirnerposting is just a meme. Don´t give them the (you)s´

That wasn't me and I was making fun of you.

>who does not fit his worldview
No no no, psycopaths/sociopaths specifically, it isn't because they don't fit with me it's because we don't fit with them. We are playthings to them, pawns and lab rats, not people.

>be alpha
>can't breed

nice

This desu.

Rome would've ceased to exist far sooner if it wasn't for the adrenaline shot provided by Caesar and Augustus. Staunch, traditional Republicans like Cicero and Cato sure as hell weren't going to do it.

This is actually true.

>I was making fun of you
By memeing? Oh...well ouch I'm hurt user. Mission accomplished, you are definitely the king of memes. Sure showed me, meme king

>spiritual father of France
Martial you mean

Thism, this, THIS.

>muh gloious mass murderers

FUCK OFF, Newtown, Einstein, Da Vinci, Archimedes, Tesla, Euler, those are the figures we should be inspired by, hard working, honest intellectuals who shaped our would in a good way without inflicting immense amount of pain unto others only to appease their overgrown egos.

Tiberius was literally the bottom of the barrel. Augustus desperately looked for anyone but him.

The 2 kids Augustus had handpicked and groomed to succeed him both died suddenly to illness and infection from a wound. And then Germanicus goes and dies randomly too.

The kids weren't the problem. The random deaths taking all the good one and leaving the dregs was.

I really don't need to do more than that, because you're currently engaging in an autistic flail over the fact one of the most respected and capable men in history is respected for his capability and resulting influence on history. What great things have you done that will shape history? Why aren't you out making the world a better place?

>reddit the post

Don't you have some oatmeal comics to read?

I don't know what oatmeal is

>You really think people would do that, just go on the Internet and tell lies?

>respected for his capability and resulting influence on history
His influence in history is a direct result of his body count and his ability to lead men to increment that number and nothing more. Every one of his accomplishments was built on human suffering and it ultimately lead to greater suffering all for the sake of his own narcissistic tendencies,

>What great things have you done that will shape history?

I'm working on it user but I keep coming back to my social interaction simulator.

>His influence in history is a direct result of his body count and his ability to lead men to increment that number and nothing more. Every one of his accomplishments was built on human suffering and it ultimately lead to greater suffering all for the sake of his own narcissistic tendencies,

Ok, and what makes that any less impressive? Also you're overlooking the role capable leadership and political acumen played in his ascent.

>I'm working on it user but I keep coming back to my social interaction simulator.

Talk.

You also conveniently ignored the second question. You're sitting here, preaching to a history board for respecting a major figure of history, rather than actually doing some fucking good in the world. There are people suffering right now, and your efforts could prevent it.

Why the fuck is the Caribbean, Mexico, Columbia, Québec, South Africa, and South Japan added to the Roman demesne?

>Ok, and what makes that any less impressive?

If you want to be a moral relativist about it then objectively absolutely nothing. If you want to be a man of principle and moral, then its a lot less impressive. Unless you think murder. mayhem, theft and rape are great as long as you're stronger or have some other kind of weird moral compass.

>You're sitting here, preaching to a history board for respecting a major figure of history
Stop respecting psychopathic murderers asshole.

>Also you're overlooking the role capable leadership and political acumen played in his ascent.
No I'm not.

>Talk.
Sure is.

>You also conveniently ignored the second question.
I volunteer at my church and their food bank on weekends, is that better?

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

Fictional map.

He was a consul of Rome

I don't know what the fuck it is, I heard that word on fit but never bothered to check, now I've discovered it's some weird kind of cereal I remember hearing about in American cartoons but never tried in my life, I don't know if they even sell those things in my country

Napoleon is superior.

Queen Victoria trumps them all

and the dressing is named after him, too

>south japan
It's ceylon you weeaboo turd

>Napoleon is superior.
Yes, he is. In every sense.

Queen Victoria was a good monarch but what she did was short of extraordinary considering by her time the Monarchy was already mostly ceremonial.

At least you can say Caeser and Napoleon rose from the bottom. Victoria on the hand was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. Also she wasn't a general.

>If you want to be a moral relativist about it then objectively absolutely nothing. If you want to be a man of principle and moral, then its a lot less impressive. Unless you think murder. mayhem, theft and rape are great as long as you're stronger or have some other kind of weird moral compass.

You're making two mistakes. First off I'm a moral nihilist. Second you're assuming that all principles are humanistic.

>Stop respecting psychopathic murderers asshole.

No.

>No I'm not.

Yes you are. Bringing it all down to "hurr lots of people died to make his success possible." Lots of people died under Pol Pot and he isn't considered a success.

>I volunteer at my church and their food bank on weekends, is that better?

No, because talk is cheap and you're not currently doing anything to better the world.

>Lots of people died under Pol Pot
He didn't win though.

HE WAS A CONSOLE. OF ROME!

>First off I'm a moral nihilist.
Potato potato.

>Second you're assuming that all principles are humanistic.
No I'm not, I directly implied I wasn't.

>No.
Jerk.

>Yes you are.
No I'm not.

>Bringing it all down to "hurr lots of people died to make his success possible."
They did tho

>Lots of people died under Pol Pot and he isn't considered a success.
He ultimately lost.

>you're not currently doing anything to better the world.
I'm getting ready to I'm in preparation stages and I know I will follow through because I do every weekend, that counts.

>Potato potato.
ah, poor choice of words, bring out the old school memes.

>The random deaths taking all the good one
>random deaths
>post imperator rome
>random
Its all part of the plans of the senate to reacquire power mate.

He lost tho and got banished to a cuvk Island

Julius got stabbed

Shit the Parthians conquered everything.

It's named after a hotel named after him

Banter
Did they get it back, and why did one populist hate a populist who came before him

Did you know people were executed because of Newton?

Julius realised his vision and got revenge on his killers through Augustus.

It's one of history's ironies - all the great things Caesar did and yet the most impactful was adding the name of some teenager he liked to his will.