What would a Japan under the rule of Mishima look like?

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The same as it does now. He admitted his way of life was outdated. He didn't go to the HQ thinking he would change anything.

He went the coup route because he wanted to die like a samurai. He romanticized the ritual of seppuku and generally had fascination with death.

Mishima was a genius though, of that there can be no dispute, no matter if you are a left or right wing. He did however admit that Japan did not need men like him anymore and that they belonged to different era.

Common people had an extraordinary hatred for samurai that was still fresh in memory, even before in the Edo and Meiji periods they were no longer really warriors but gradually became upper class bureaucrats with ceremonial swords, and the leisure time to create airy philosophical ponderings from relative peace and prosperity. He was not just "of a past era", but idolizing a mythic history that never really existed for modern romanticist purposes, just like other 20th century fascists over in Europe. A true warlike ethic simply does not mesh well with an aesthetic one, violence is fundamentally too ugly and pragmatic for that. Hence, a desirable warrior is a stereotypical boot that doesn't do too much thinking IRL, or he could easily come to the conclusion that the enemy makes more sense than his own side, or that self preservation is more reasonable than seeking death. Mishima was nothing more than a deranged LARPer like all fascists.

He was a bit homo, too.

At least he got this samurai thing right.

>Mishima was nothing more than a deranged LARPer
living the dream, like all fascists

>deranged LARPer
Enlightened LARPer. He knew Japan wasn't worth dying for and probably never was worth it. He carried out his coup anyway because it gave him meaning. He was Nietzsche's superman.

pedo/zoo/necrophilia legalized since he was gay

Or like all communists, dreaming of utopia that will never come. Different sides of same coin really.

>He was Nietzsche's superman.

Correct.

Fascism is full of metaphysical meaning
Communism is void of it
Two completely separate ideologies, Fascism is closer to Islamism than Communism.

Wow it's almost like Marxism and Fascism both came from Hegelians.

If you call dying like a bitch being the overman, sure. I don't put much stock into the inconsistent babblings of a mustachioed protofedora cripple with syphilis that rambled about power all day.

Mushima wasn't a Fascist.
Fascism is anti-life, Mushima's work is about the struggle with and hard-won victory over life.

Agreed.

>a utopia that will never come
Only because of secular humanists. Too sick to see beyond themselves.

Mishima is an extremely admirable man.
In regards to Nietzsche, anyone who follows his philosophy hates him
Like you've indirectly stated, Nietzsche was weak, and any better man would see him as such

Fascism isn't anti-life, what the heck are you on?
It's an ideology that worships the life and blood of a tribe, if anything it gives like incredible amounts of meaning

How much Mishima have you read? I just started Spring Snow and I think his works are thematically coherent.

He's talking about Nietzsche, not Mishima.

>Fascism is full of metaphysical meaning
>Communism is void of it

Just because he dressed up historical materialism in a guise of muh science, doesn't change the fact that it was some spooky utopian prescriptivist shit. Both Fascism and Marxism bleated about some inevitable triumph over a parasitic class (substitute "bourgeoisie" with "jews" or "supercapitalists") that was apparently the source of all problems. Both believed history was a narrative with heroes and villains that would have a certain ending. Both ended up creating nondemocratic states with personality cults, idealism iver pragmatism, subpar standards of living and a fundamental disdain for the concept of human rights. They also both lost WW2 and the Cold War, respectively. So yeah, you're a faggot. But praise kek and evola rite? meme magick xd

>only because of reality!!!1!
>blast you, darned kids!

>Fascism is anti-life

Yeah especially seeing how its anthem was all about how nice it is to be young and enjoy life.

>Fascism isn't anti-life
Fascism glorifies death more than life. The entire movement is a drive to war and slaughter, and though the Iron Guard is an extreme example, they show what European Fascism was all about when you pull back the skin. Even the early Italian Fascist Futurists were obsessed with high-speed death.
The tribe is entirely secondary to self-sacrifice in Fascism. I consider Hitler's final days were he cursed the Germans to complete annihilation a better indication of his ideology's heart than years of Volk propaganda.

>fascism isn't anti-life

Yeah, if mass murder doesn't qualify as anti-life, I don't know what does

>gives life incredible amounts of meaning

If you're a retard who wants to throw your life and the life of others away on trust in political promises, sure.

I wouldn't call him admirable, that's 2edgy4me, but I think he's sympathetic.

>its anthem was all about how nice it is to be young and enjoy life

I see now you're being ironic by claiming the Horst Wessel Lied was a life-affirming song when it's actually a glorification of sacrificing your life for the movement's sake.

>he thinks songs about youth and glory represent an ideology better than actual practice

How to spot a white teenager 101

"he dressed up historical materialism", it had metaphysical meaning, there's a level of - in a way - 'spirituality'
History is a cycle to Fascists, and a liner line for Communists
Also, losing WW2 doesn't mean anything when the majority of the World was against the Axis, that's rather unfair of you to say
And I'm not a faggot, I don't praise Kek, he's Reddit cancer, Evola drags things out too much, and meme magick isn't my thing.

Death before dishonour is a good way to look at it, you have to take into account that Fascism never had a period of peace time long enough like Communism to allow it's ideology to blossom

This is where you have to look past the concept of a Nation and view it as ethnic tribes (assuming we're talking about National Socialism here, not Italisn style fash)
Life was given to the German people, but taken from others, it's a matter of perspective

And about Mishima, read Sun and Steel - it will enlighten you more on him than any article / user's thoughts will

"Death before dishonor" is incompatible with the thoughtless, mechanical deaths that Fascists expected of their followers and would inflict on their enemies.

I believe Fascism could never "blossom," because it was a denial of everything but the sprint towards death.

>Life was given to the German people, but taken from others
But the Nazis never aimed to get this "lifeforce" back. The real theorists denied religion when it wasn't a tool for them, they didn't believe the individuals that made up the Volk had value. It was an ideological dead end.

Pretty much this.

Both communism and fascism are far more similar than both would like to admit.

Mishima was actually pretty obsessed with the west. His philosophy was rooted in the west, lived in a western house, wrote western style literature etc.

But at the same time I think he thought that the loss of the old Japanese way of life was a bad thing. Hard to understand him.

Really gay, but also really fit.

>when the majority of the World was against the Axis, that's rather unfair of you to say

Lmao, what happened to survival of the fittest, faggot? It's almost like adopting a super militaristic ideology and declaring mass war was an unwise decision that resulted in them being destroyed. There's no special pleading in the court of life and death, outnumbering your opponent is an excellent strategy in virtually everything.

>this is where you have to look past the concept of a nation

I do. It's a spook.

>Life was given to the German people, but taken from others, it's a matter of perspective

I doubt you would lend such subjective concessions to leftist ramblings. In any case, it resulted in millions of Germans being killed from internal and external forces, so you're factually incorrect as well as empathetically stunted.

I meant Giovinezza you moron.

Well yeah, obviously they do. The actual practice represents actual practice rather than the pure ideology. The communist ideology has nothing to do with hunger, secret policy and concentration camps, but the communist practice usually does.

This tbqh.
The military is a bunch of politicians controlling a bunch of philistines. Military training strips you of everything that makes you an individual and turns you into an unthinking beast of burden.

>Wow it's almost like Marxism and Fascism both came from Hegelians
You're going to get your Illuminati card revoked if you keep revealing secrets like that.

Ideology cannot be separated from practice, you sheltered philistine. It does not discuss tesseracts and grawlixes, but how tp allocate resources to feed mouths and where to aim guns to kill flesh and blood people in the real world. It makes promises that people expect and act on. Even thinking of ideology in terms of "purity" is evidence of your mental or actual adolescence - words are made of ink and sound and pixels, not forms from some platonic realm, and they have a very concrete (though not always predictable) effect on the behavior of people in real life. No wonder you treat overt propaganda as something so harmless when you see it as just a fashion accessory to your yearning for group identity and an obsession with emotive abstractions.

Communism doesn't "work in theory, but not in practice" as you imply. It fails at the very basic conception of human freedom and dignity by reducing real humans to mere cells in some organism of class, just like fascism did for nation.

Reality doesn't exist, it's an ideology attached to existence.
>secular humanism is correct because some french turds said so after raping their slaves and leaving their children to starve
jej

Reality and existence are synonyms. Stop sucking Zizek's cock with your repetition of "ideology" like its a word you learned last week.

Secular humanism is "correct" because it produces a higher standard of living that made most war in its era of hegemony redundant, as well as producing desirable living conditions that facilitated better technology, ie nuclear bombs that curbstomped fascist nips. Why else did those Jews working on the Manhattan project move to the US? People vote with their feet - the first thing every person I've met from a third world country has said is that their country sucks and they wish it was more like the democratic west. Democratic forces outlasted communists, destroyed fascists and replaced/neutered monarchists. Your gay little ideology didn't even last 40 years, so stronk. My dad is older then fascism ever was lmao.

Agreed, even Sharia law has more understanding of human freedom and dignity than communism in practice.

>Reality and existence are synonyms.
No they aren't.
Reality is the 'facts of existence'. Oh look, it's an ideology attached to existence, just like I said it was.
>Secular humanism is "correct" because it produces a higher standard of living that made most war in its era of hegemony redundant,
Nonmetric
>calling me a fascist
Don't you have a vagina ethics paper to finish?

Not at all. Communism is far more spooked.

>he has never experienced reality directly and immediately

lmao do you even meditate?

Reality doesn't exist.

Prozac would help nowadays.

Reality does exist, but only in my head.

>Yeah, if mass murder doesn't qualify as anti-life, I don't know what does
You don't know a lot of things.

The great majority of people will choose life in slavery over idealistic bullshit every time. Death before dishonor is the ultimate meme. Dying is for suckers.

>great majority
nice appeal to the populous

If people will choose death before slavery, then why are there so many slaves?

>still trying to pull the appeal

>Can't give me an answer that doesn't overflow with bullshit platitudes and tripe appeals to muh heroism and sacrifice

>Reality is the 'facts of existence'.

Redundant. The deflationary theory of truth is as valid here as anywhere else.

>Nonmetric

It can be quantified in many ways, but even on a qualitative level, people clearly think western democracies are better because they want to live there. When it came to fascism and communism, people wanted OUT.

>Don't you have a vagina ethics paper to finish?

Lmao, as if assuming an edgelord railing against democracy on Veeky Forums to be fascist is an unreasonable assumption. If not, you're probably just a leftypol brocialist scum who rhetorically resembles a right winger anyway, so congrats.

>B-b-but class warfare isn't idpol mammy, I swear! I'm better than those retard SJWs that want universal compassion for the downtrodden.

Meant to quote

>people think...
Irrelevant; not a metric
>edgelord
ANYBODY I DONT LIKE IS LE EDGEY
Anarchotheism fits neither of your categories.

>Can't give me an answer that doesn't overflow with bullshit platitudes and tripe appeals to muh popular opinion and muh hope

He reminds me of Tanizaki in that regard. I think they were both right; the West was, perhaps, objectively better, but the triumph of modernity was still tragic.

>What would a Japan under the rule of Mishima look like?

Go to look up "asian men" threads.

>Like you've indirectly stated, Nietzsche was weak
lmao
nietzsche is more powerful than 9 999 999/10 000 000 of people alive today even though he's dead

>says the fascist who espouses both as central pillars of their ideology

Then why do the third world people who move here try to turn their host country more like their home country? Why don't they change their habits? Why do they continue to vote along old lines of allegiance? What we call Democracy refers to two increasingly antagonistic things, the political traditions of certain peoples and neoliberalism. These democratic political traditions are eroded when the community that holds them are overwhelmed with people who do not, or when the people who comprise that community are uprooted and carried off in search of jobs and good schools.

>society MUST be this way!
Democracy is only democracy if you let people vote for things you don't like.

>it's a spook
*tips fedora*

>Military training strips you of everything that makes you an individual and turns you into an unthinking beast of burden.

Says the twenty-something who has never had military training.

You're right. Military training just redirects who you are to somewhere safe, where they can easily get you to do what they need you to do. You might be a thinking beast of burden, but you never think about it.