Did Germany ever really have a realistic chance at winning WW2? The more I read about it the more it seems there was no way in hell they'd could have won unless every single domino fell their way.
Even after they ended up getting lucky with France, there's no guarantee they could have even beaten the Soviets on their own, let alone with British and US help. If their gambit with France worked, and they managed to collapsed the USSR like Hitler originally wanted, could they have won then? There was still the US, Britain, and all of their allies. There was still Free France, and who knows what resistance the Soviets would have mounted. The Allies would have had complete naval superiority as well as air superiority.
Justin Morris
>Did Germany ever really have a realistic chance at winning WW2?
No.
>If their gambit with France worked, and they managed to collapsed the USSR like Hitler originally wanted, could they have won then?
Probably not. They still have no realistic means of striking decisively at the UK, let alone the U.S.. If nothing else, the war likely ends with atomic fire over Berlin.
Germany lost the war as soon as they set up the political situation that made incremental peace impossible.
Brandon Campbell
If there was no lend-lease, as well as no America at all, then probably. Of course the government Hitler made wasn't sustainable at all.
Anthony Long
They could win a small scale war not a world War. Basically Germany could eventually win an Anglo French German war.
Xavier Price
>Did Germany ever really have a realistic chance at winning WW2? Not really no. At least not how they wanted it. They could have fucked out of their conquests and said, "see we beat you! Now leave us alone.", and both Britain and France likely would have acquiesced to things like Eastern Poland and Czechoslovakia.
But short of that, no.
Angel Mitchell
Victory over the Soviets might have been possible had Germany and Japan forced a two-front war on the USSR.
Conquering Britain would have been impossible, and conquering America, Canada, Australia, etc. was laughably impossible.
Jace Johnson
Germany would have won if everyone hadn't ganged up on them like a bunch of cowardly cucks.
Josiah Collins
If Hitler stopped after Poland, he would have continued to rule in peace.
Eli Powell
their fate was sealed on Sept 3rd
Nolan Garcia
That would have just ended in Japan overextending itself even worse than it already had and getting roflstomped out of Siberia.
Honestly Siberia doesn't even need to be defended, you can just let their stupid yellow asses advance halfway to the Urals before you even need to start giving half a shit and with a single fucking railroad providing basically all logistics that;s going to take them a while and they won't be worth shit when they get there anyway.
Landon Clark
Are anti-personell mines ethical?
Brayden Price
No ones fault but Germany's. Bismark knew how to avoid that shit, but then the Kaiser died and his brain dead son took over and kicked Bismark out. And then you had Hitler who united most of the world against him.
Cooper Long
Not really.
>Not declare war The economy implodes due to the massive military buildup without justification or a way to sustain those jobs in the long run.
>Don't declare war on the USSR Then the USSR would've eventually declared war on them, and they would've been far better prepared.
>Don't declare war on America America still would've provided lend-lease aid to the Allies, and an America devoted entirely to the Pacific would've meant more British troops free to fight in Europe.
>Take the Arabian oil fields It would've been conceptually easier to take the Russian oil fields, which is what they tried. Besides, how would they have been able to fight a land war in a hostile climate, against a people known for guerrilla warfare, with no overland connection to their territories, and entirely surrounded by British colonies?
>Have Rommel fix it He'd ignore supply lines, be right on the front (and not helping coordinate strategy), abandon the strategy, and lose spectacularly a year in.
>kill Hitler at any point after the war's start This might work, in that Germany might surrender early enough so that it isn't completely occupied and divided for 45 years. That's the closest you're getting to victory.
Jordan Reyes
The absolute best case scenario for them is that they beat the USSR and then a few years later the US gets annoyed and hits them with a carpet nuking.
Kevin Stewart
>Then the USSR would've eventually declared war on them, and they would've been far better prepared.
uwotm8? You're basing this on what exactly? The USSR didn't even declare war on tiny shitholes like Romania or Poland until they were politically isolated and ideally busy with another war. You really think they'd have attacked another major power outright?
That, not some notion of goodness vs evil, is the difference between Stalin and Hitler. Stalin is fundamentally a cautious, opportunistic, realpolitik influenced guy, who calculates and only then acts. He's not going to start a war he has even the slightest chance of losing.
Lincoln Thomas
When was it impossible for Germany to make peace?
Logan Harris
Around the time they broke all those agreements before the war broke out concerning things like re-arming, or their various "Really, this is my last land grab" annexations. Sometime before the war broke out itself. I want to say Munich, but I can't prove that definitively. Still, it was very much a line in the sand declaration, which Hitler seems to have missed.
Benjamin Brooks
Can't Germany say that they will rearm because they don't consider the Versailles agreement as valid because Germany was forced to sign a humiliating peace with a gun to it's head?
Henry Richardson
They can say it, and maybe that alone isn't going to bring war (France and Britain, after all, didn't attack in 1936), but saying that you're going to ignore Versailles, and by extension the result of the last motherfucking huge war that pretty much everyone wants to avoid again, is going to make you very, very unpopular. It also shows that there's no use in making a limited war and a limited peace, since you're just likely to go back on that peace agreement the second it's convenient.
Ryder Ross
Yeah everyone would if they were in their shoes.
Juan Brown
Yes, had they either avoided war with the West, or managed to negotiate peace with Britain after the fall of France. But as long as they're fighting on two fronts they have no realistic chance to win,something Bismarck well understood but the cretinous monotesticular corporal didn't.
