Tfw you'll never live in the timeline where Dr. Sun doesn't die of cancer in 1925

How would Sun Yat Sen have handled the Japanese invasion of China and the communist insurgency? For all the shit everyone gives Chiang Kai Shek it's really hard to see how he could have done any better given the utter shitshow he had to try to deal with.

I never knew China was such a fucking mess

Reminder that Chiang and the KMT are shit and the PRC is superior in every way.

>Dr. Sun doesn't die of cancer
>Chiang continues leading the military
>Warlords are dispatched by Chiang
>Commies run away and are removed by Chiang
>China is politically stable and a developing democracy
>Dr. Sun leads the government and the Emperor is reinstalled as a ceremonial head of state
>Japan holds off on anything new in China
>China grows economically and slowly begins modernizing
>Education and literacy increases and so does quality of life for many Chinese
>KMT military is trained by Nazis and wears those sexy sexy blue uniforms
I want to believe

why in this scenario would japan refrain from attacking china..?

I imagine Japan would hesitate trying anything new when China seems united and capable of resisting

Liu shauqi would have taken over easily.

I don't think you realize just how far behind Japan they were.

>people actually think qing tyranny is preferable to mandarin rule

>one protest
>martial law until he fucking dies
Was Chiang autistic?

>mandarin rule mattering at all

Spotted the 50 cent shill MUH SLIGHTLY LIGHTER SHADE OF YELLOW PEOPLE SHUD RULE YELLOW PEOPLE

Japan had problem enough defeating the mess that was civil war China, don't see them doing anything but far worse against a unified China.

All I am saying is that people executing others for having the wrong hair cut should be kept far away from power

What, like in 1895?

I don't remember any large scale invasion of China 1895

I feel physical pain

Wanna know how i know you are not Chinese?

youtube.com/watch?v=jnXMbkGFkkU

He's posting on a Ukrainian soap opera board?

I have a sort of respect for the man in certain ways, but yes, I think he was.

>piece of evidence 1
youtube.com/watch?v=JDpHcaB4tQc

notice his behaviour in front of the camera, it's utterly spergy.

>piece of evidence 2

His general behaviour during the battle of Shanghai, and probably a lot of battles.

>threatens to kill an officer if he doesn't do exactly as he says
>officer doesn't do what he says and gets screeched at by Chiang
>Chiang and the officer would eventually make up again
>rinse and repeat

all in all, he probably was on the spectrum.

wow, you managed to post something with lower case letters

>am i fitting in yet, gaiz?? hehe i'm c00l, rite??

My guess would be that he'd just let Chiang do his thing as head of the NRA, while he himself would run the civilian government.

The handling of the Chinese communists would be interesting though, since we don't know if the communists would maintain good relationships with Sun, or if they would get cocky and turn on him.

Germany should have done more diplomatic work to get chinese nationalists and japs to work together.

Because he/she has access to this website?

Chinese can actually read and post, they just need a Veeky Forums pass because the great firewall blocks Google's ReCAPTCHA.

made the chart on the warlords

That video was cool as fuck user, thanks

>There are no Chinese diaspora on the internet
lel

>China
>developing democracy

Not how it works.

A KMT-run Chinese constitutional monarchy of Puyi and Dr. Sun, with a Chiang-led and German-trained military would be boss. However, considering how things turned out, I'm apprehensive about such a regime not being corrupt as hell.
I wonder how this would affect Germany's relationship with Japan come the late 1930s...maybe Japan would pursue the Russian Far East or the South Pacific as targets of imperialism, instead of a German-backed China/Manchuria

Awesome, thanks for the list. How many of those have you read? Is Abortive Revolution worth checking out?

>a party fundamentally opposed to monarchy
>letting Puyi be their monarch

for what purpose

Japs are opportunistic shitbags

I've only a fourth of China in War and Revolution, which is densely written but rewarding. i havent gotten back to it since sadly. as for abortive revolution, i think your best bet is searching for academic reviews and then using sci-hub.cc to access it so you can see if it is something that youd be interested in reading. btw i added more works but now the title is missing kek

>Supporting Chiang over Punished Wang of the Left KMT

>Japanese officers trick Wang into thinking they're going to sign a white peace and retreat their troops if Wang defects
>Wang somehow doesn't question this
>he defects alongside some friends
>Japan doesn't honour their side of the deal, surprising no-one except Wang
>his friends defect back within the year, leaving Wang in charge of some shitty Japanese puppet government
>"a-at least I'm leader of the Chinese National Government now, s-screw you Chiang"

he might've been a decent politician, but him being in charge of China during the Sino-Japanese war would've been a disaster.

Terry and the pirates.

Dr. Sun is considered the father of modern China including the PRC. He was extremely popular and it would be hard to rise up against him. It was much easier to justify war against Chiang.

China is just corrupt. It's been their culture for thousands of years.

In America, you have the puritan work ethic, so the working class isn't corrupt, just the upper classes.

Didn't the KMT do all the fighting when the Japs invaded and the CCP just hid out committing crimes?

Not all of it, but most of it. And to be fair, the KMT was at the time something of a fragmentary organization. Most of the fighting wasn't done by the KMT men who were personally loyal to Chiang, those guys spent most of their time patrolling the border with the Communist territories; most of it was done by individual warlords whose territories bordered the Japanese holdings.

Does anyone have pics of China from WWII or the interwar period to share?

pretty much, actually. The CCP promised they'd do their part in 1936, but they spent most of their time sitting in literal caves preparing for the continuation of the civil war. The only notable things they did were the hundred regiments offensive and some guerilla warfare behind Jap lines.

t. white persons who imperialized more than half of the world's landmass

I got some images of Chinks with swords if you like that

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Anything from that era will do, thank you.

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This is revisionism

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and that's the swords done, I'll try to find some more images from the Battle of Shanghai and post those too

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It's cool and it sure must have been intimating seeing them up close in real life with those Dadaos. But any officer worth its salt would have laughed about this pathetic attempt of bringing swords to a gunfight. If anything, it served probably more as a tool than anything, if even that. It's also a testament of how incompetent the Chinese military leadership was.

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I doubt Jap officers would laugh at it, considering they used their swords quite often too.

And these Dadaos were generally used by "big sword units" who were pretty much based on WW1 German stormtroopers, so they were kind of useful.

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[citation needed]

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No man, I don't think so. Even the Japanese didn't use their swords "quite often" (unless you count the exactions against unarmed children and women).

Swords were already outdated as weapons by the late 19th century. Any charge made outside of a smoke screen, jungle, or night is suicide, period. The real storm-troopers used pistols, daggers and grenades. Granted, the Chinese probably didn't have enough pistols and grenades, but I can see a dagger or a small sword being 100% more practical than a freaking Dadao.

Press B to bow down to Emperor Xongxian, the true leader of all under Heaven.

B

B

>not K for Kow Tow
you fucked up. heaven is mad now

They have a statue of him in Toronto. I'm not too sure why.

Now that I think of it its not far from one of the China towns.

>you will never live in a world where mao drowned in the river taking a bath

I thought the Asian colony was just a meme

Or maybe it's a testament of how lacking the Chinese were in regards of military equipment?

This, China really really was behind in industrialization.

>people actually believe this

thank you based Mao for standardising Chinese

>t's also a testament of how incompetent the Chinese military leadership was.
>Or maybe it's a testament of how lacking the Chinese were in regards of military equipment?
Neither. You know how Big-Sword units came to be?

Watching Europeans kill each other in WWI.

Chinese generals of the (soon to break-up) Chinese Republic were observers of both sides of the First World War. Of particular interest of them was infantry tactics, particularly battalions of trench raiders like stormtroopers of the Central powers who spearhead infantry attacks via infiltration and surprise attack tactics

You know how they did this? They ditched their bigass rifles back in the trench, and instead carried
>Sacks filled with grenades.
>Pistols, sawn off shotguns, carbines, and the first smgs.
>And oh yeah various melee weapons like knives, handheld bayonets, clubs, hatchets, maces, truncheons spiked with hobnails, and shovels.

When the Chinese generals came home fresh from WWI they started making their own infiltration and storm troopers. And one of the products of which were the "big sword units." Formally known as "Sword and Pistol units" for their propaganda-worthy weapons - the Dao and the Mauser broomhandle- they nonetheless carried other weapons like their WWI European counterparts, performed the same role: spearhead infantry assaults via infiltration and storm enemy trenches and positions. Except unlike their European counterparts, their melee weapons were traditional Chinese swords.

Hell some of the "big sword" men did not even carry anything but a sack filled with shitloads of grenades. Usually people who were good at throwing things got this unenviable job. Or child-soldiers.