Why is Judaism so old? It is literally more than 3000 years old. Or to put it different:

>Jews
>having no status

>Presient
>powerful
>puppets are powerful

Surviving in diaspora for nearly 2000 years is still impressive.

Yes and? Lots of religions are that old. Buddhism, Hinduism etc.
Thats normal and just means it didn't get exterminated like some other religions by the culture carrying them dying out. Judaism was just preserved by a ethnicity that wasn't mass converted because of their close relationship with the only dominant religions in its region, Christianity and Islam which made conversion unattractive for the population.
In Mesoamerica the religions were just as old but got literally exterminated.
The 'average' ethnic/folk religion is 2k+ years old.

They didn't "survive in Diaspora". They were settled in stable communities for most of history.

>stable communities

Not sure if you're just memeing or what but yes, the fact that such expulsions could happen as notable events requires significant populations of them to exist in these places as communities.

Additionally most of these expulsions were extremly temporary, lasting only years and decades in most cases, so for every "expulsion" they were hundreds of perfectly stable communities that had existed in that place for centuries and would expect to do so for centuries in the future. Furthemore the list is misleading by listing nations, implying they were expelled from these entire countries when in reality it just means expulsions happened IN these places.

Also you know, its over 2k years old and your list literally starts in the 11th century.

If you want to see a religion with surprising resiliance look at Zoroastrians. They are not only older but survived despite not spreading out much geographically AND having had faced even greater hostility from the dominant religion of its only region.

>Surviving in diaspora for nearly 2000 years is still impressive.

Can you name a specific Jewish diaspora community that is 2000 years old?

As far as I know there was no Jewish community in Western Europe until the 11th century and most Jewish communities in the rest of Europe date to the 15th/16th centuries or later.

Other diaspora communities have survived quite long as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Ukraine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Syria
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triestine_Serbs
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molise_Croats

If you want to go down the rabbit hole into conspiracy town try looking into solid history for that surviving """diaspora""". It's way more misty and full of question than you might initially think.

>Other diaspora communities have survived quite long as well.
There are also some Assyrians still left in the middle east.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_people

>Surviving in diaspora for nearly 2000 years is still impressive.

It's true but outside of some assumed Jewish tribalism that was also helped by Christian prejudice and general Muslim acceptance of peoples of the book. Other communities that ended up finding themselves among different religions could similarly survive for long periods of time. Look at the Assyrians or the Orthodox Christians in the Levant who still identify as "Rum" in Arabic.

Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are the result of late Roman Jewish migrations into Europe though. And Romaniote (Greek) Jews probably have similarly deep roots in Greece and Anatolia.

Most actual Greeks in the Ukraine and Syria have been there only since Ottoman times in general but of course there still exist Byzantine Orthodox Christians in Syria and Lebanon (though Arabic-speaking) since ancient times.

Talmudic Judaism is ~1500 years old though.

So not quite 2000 years as user wrote but at least 1200 if not closer to around 1500 for certain communities. I think that's still interesting but don't need conspiracy theories to explain it either.

Plenty of communities have survived among alien populations for that long.

Assyrians aren't diasporic, they are natives without statehood, like the Kurds.

>Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are the result of late Roman Jewish migrations into Europe though. And Romaniote (Greek) Jews probably have similarly deep roots in Greece and Anatolia.

There's no proof of that. All ancient jewish diasporic communities in Rome have since then gone extinct. No continuity.

Greek Jews are Sephardic and settled Greece during Ottoman Times.

>Most actual Greeks in the Ukraine and Syria have been there only since Ottoman times in general

Why would Greek orthodox migrate to Syria under the Ottomans? They have been settled in Syria since Byzantine times.

The majority of Greek Ukrainians are descendents in Crimea/Ukraine since the fall of Byzantium (the fall of Trebizond). They formed their own specific dialect of medieval Greek called Rumeika.

Also you have the Albanian diaspora in Italy, the Arberesh, who have uninterrupted continuity since the 15th century.

yeah I just learned about this it's kind of hilarious when you read about the reasons for some of the expulsions. over some of the pettiest things

>There's no proof of that. All ancient jewish diasporic communities in Rome have since then gone extinct. No continuity.

>says there is no proof of that
>makes another big claim that has no proof

>>makes another big claim that has no proof

There is no Jewish community in Rome that has continuity to ancient Rome, sorry.

Yea they are

Oh I thought you were claiming that jews went extinct from Rome and all the ones today converted way later.

The Cochin Jews in India have been there since 600 BC

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochin_Jews

1200-300 bc to primitive and fanatical to be open to other ideas
300 bc - 500 ac encounter hellenism while being educated enough to get attracted to it. Have several civil wars about it
500 ac - 1300 ac The civilised world around you collapses, you know how to read and write they don't. Why integrate with them
1300 ac - 1870 ac They have cought up and even advanced beyond your indigenous culture level but they don't want you around
1870 ac - 1948 ac You almost integrated but than the final proof that thay actually hate you
1948 ac - back to normal
t. Jew

this is accurate

modern Judaism is properly called Talmudism, which has its origins in Roman empire

Talmudism/Kabalism/Rabbinism is neo-Judaic and practiced by Roman era converts or Geer

2nd Temple Jewish groups:

Sadducees (from Tzadik aka the Wise ones) were a continuation of 1st Temple Judaism and followed the original religion of Ancient Israel. Sadducees were the intelligent class, consisting of educated and scholared leaders.

Pharisees (heretical revisionists) your average low-class uneducated street hustlin peddlers, merchants - the common wankers. The Zealots/Sicarii were part of this group of uneducated plebs who made many persistent and violent attempts to remove the educated Sadducees and replace the original Jewish laws with their own revisionism (talmudism/rabbinism).

during the 2nd temple, there was a Jewish conflct between Pharisees (talmudists/rabbinicals), Saducees (non-talmudists/original Jews). Jews again fought eachother.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealots_(Judea)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii

The talmudists won that war.

in any case original Hebrew (Karaite, Essene, Ethiopian Jewish) religion has long been replaced with neo-Judaism (Talmudism, Kabalism, Hasidism)

>3000 years
>invented an s trick

How does the mouse manage to survive? By staying out of the fight and waiting for the cat and the dog to fight it out.

That list is missing a few cases.

>How did survive for such a long time? Why is it so fucking resilient?
Jesus Christ.

Judaism and Jews would have been erased from existence if not for the human meme that was Jesus.

>The Cochin Jews in India have been there since 600 BC

Have they done genetic tests to prove that?

Otherwise you can claim Ethiopian jews are also Jewish diaspora, which is inaccurate.

>Judaism and Jews would have been erased from existence if not for the human meme that was Jesus.

This.

Because they are an ethnic and religious group.

See ethnic minorities eventually get assimilated and disappear.
Religious minorities too.

But an ethnic religious minority doesn't.

Hinduism has older origins still.

If an ancestral religion can somehow manage to mantain, throughout its historical phases and possible reinterpretations, a core continuity of teachers and teachings, which mantain it as a mainstream form of worship for its people, and without getting outright replaced by another religion, then it can go on for many millennia.

Religions are, after all, heavily invested in what is eternal, and its closest historical approximation, which is what is ancient.

>But an ethnic religious minority doesn't.
I don't see practitioners of the Eleusinian mysteries anywhere.

I don't get it. Why does a specific Jewish community survive in the same place with the same structure for one to be able to say the Jews survived 2000 years of diaspora.

In any case, the Jews inability to gain political power, high degree of education even when comparing to nobles and pool of resources that comes from their tightknit community makes them perfect to handle the money and serve as middleman between nobles and peasants. This assured them a position in the social hierarchy that they were best suited to fill. That is also one of the reasons they were hated so universally.

The way Jews managed community, rejecting assimilation, maintaining customs and only helping their own was also a big fuel for that hatred, yet it also ensured the Jewish survival. Whenever there was an expulsion, the exiled Jews could go anywhere they knew had other Jews and find a framework of support once he got there.

It's a bit poetic that the answer to why the Jews survived and why they were hated and prosecuted is the same.

>Otherwise you can claim Ethiopian jews are also Jewish diaspora, which is inaccurate.

What is that?

Judaism was created in 90 AD you twit.

I was waiting for this autistic response. there is always one person in every jew thread that keeps pushing this despite it being completely debunked

learn history

>modern judaism
>as opposed to ancient judaism

Just because the religion reformed under the Romans doesn't mean that's when it originated, this is a nonsensical claim.

Modern Jews, and their religion, is a relatively new creation regardless of what the Jews would like you to think. It would be like people taking Italians seriously if they ran around screaming they were Romans and people took them seriously.

>Hebrew was a dead language until the creation of Israel; Jews in Europe prior to Israel did their religious practices in Yiddish or similar languages.
>The Talmud was finally completed in 500ish AD.
>Moses and his followers were pagans who prayed to the Storm God yet somehow he became a Jew later in history.
>Jews did not even exist when Jesus was alive and around. The only reason why people think Jesus was a Jew because of a sloppy translation error.

no. its an entirely different religion.

King David would call today's hasid a heretic or some sort of idol worshiping pagan

if you want to call it "reform" than islam and christianity are reformed judaism as well.

talmudism != ancient yehuda religion

>Judaism mentioned
>/hispol/ and /leftypol/ collectively chimp out

Interdasting theory. I just assumed Judaism > Christianity > Islam were a chronologically progressive (or maybe regressive) forms of feudal law contained in a Pagan - neo-Pagan natural law wrapper.

Obviously if some alien landed on earth they would be struck by the similarities across all cultures and religions not the differences.

this

samefag. Evolution of a religion doesn't constitute an entire new religion. Judaism radically evolved after the destruction of the 2nd temple and the subsequent dispersal. This lack of a temple is what has informed much of their theological thought to this day. None of this is controversal; any uni class of Judaism will tell you this much. The truth is that you dislike jews (probably subscribe to fringe jewish conspiracy theories) and therefore want to undermine their religion. I know because I went through the jewish conspiracy phase myself before so I understand where all your talking points originate

And you think Christianity or Islam is any different? I imagine Jeuss would be amazingly disappointed that there has been no apocalypse, and horrified that people think he's a god, and wondering who the fuck this Paul guy is.

Judaism (Saddacees) stopped c. AD 70 with the fall of the Second Temple. One bogus cult, the Pharisees, cobbled together a bogus "oral law" and wrote the Talmud between AD 100 and 500 and called themselves "Jews." They formed an entirely new religion. They replaced the Tanakh with the Talmud (that's right, "Jews" don't even follow the Old Testament). They didn't have a Temple anymore (which real Judaism needed to exist). They didn't have a Priesthood anymore (they replaced priests with rabbis lol). All of their beliefs and practices were fabrications. It simply isn't the same religion. You a Talmudic Pharisee, not a Jew.

>Italy, 1492

that's vague as hell

fpbp

nice /pol/ conspiracy

LE KHAZARS AMIRITE? XD

have you not heard of caucasus jews?

Khazars were absorbed by many peoples, the Slavic Judaising Subbotniks, the Bukharan Jews, the Muslim Kumyks, the Cossacks of the Don region, the Turkic-speaking Krymchaks and their Crimean neighbours the Karaites to the Moldavian Csángós, the Mountain Jews

Some Judeo–Khazars were left behind, mainly in the Crimea and the Caucasus, where they formed Jewish enclaves surviving into modern times. One of the dynasties of Jewish princes ruled in the 15th century under the tutelage of the Genovese Republic and later of the Crimean Tartars. Another vestige of the Khazar nation is the “Mountain Jews” in the North Eastern Caucasus

gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/61.full

khazardnaproject.wordpress.com/2016/03/21/uncovering-ancient-ashkenaz/

jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/802/are-we-all-khazars-now/

nice blogs + one study of dubious quality. hey, at least you know how to use google scholar now!

like we know the talmud teaches you to lie proficiently and finagle your way out of a noose. but you obviously shlept thru shul

>I don't get it. Why does a specific Jewish community survive in the same place with the same structure for one to be able to say the Jews survived 2000 years of diaspora.

Because otherwise you're just wewuzzing.

>In any case, the Jews inability to gain political power, high degree of education even when comparing to nobles

That's a myth. European Jews were poor peasants up until the 19th century when the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires became more socially-liberal and Jews started assimilating, as well as other minorities. (Freud was jewish himself but identified as an Austrian German, similarly to Karl Marx).

Oldest continuous Jewish Diasporic community
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

>why the Jews survived and why they were hated and prosecuted is the same.

Essentially this is the reason. The Jews in Pagan Europe all but assimilated, but the Jews in Christian Europe were heavily persecuted due to the Bible and were thus preserved.

>It is literally more than 3000 years old.

Judaism is literally no older than 250 B.C.

>Greek Jews are Sephardic and settled Greece during Ottoman Times.

Nope. Jews in (later) Greece became overwhelmingly Sephardic in Ottoman times due to their invitation from Spain but there were native communities too, the Romaniotes (some Ashkenazi went there too in Ottoman times). I even mention them by the name but you ignored them!

>Why would Greek orthodox migrate to Syria under the Ottomans? They have been settled in Syria since Byzantine times.

The *Greeks* in the Levant were Ottoman immigrants. The Arabic-speaking Greek Orthodox were ancient remnants however.

>The majority of Greek Ukrainians are descendents in Crimea/Ukraine since the fall of Byzantium (the fall of Trebizond). They formed their own specific dialect of medieval Greek called Rumeika

The situation isn't completely clear but a lot of them were simply descendants of Pontic Greeks who moved to the Ukraine in Ottoman times and not survivals of Greek-speaking Crimeans from Byzantine times.

European Jews have a continuous history of their communities for at least 1200 years, which we agree on, and maybe even up to 1500 or so. I don't think that's something to disagree with

You can make the case saddacees were legitimate Judaism but it would be theological in nature. At any rate Jews haven't had a temple nor sacrifice for many centuries now which should be telling.

>i'm not a Christian
Fairly obvious.

>I can't actually challenge his point.
Fairly obvious.

Whats to challange? Jesus said clear as day "I am in my Father and he is with me." Unless you discount scripture and tradition no reason exist why Jesus would be surprised people worship him as God.

Read some critical scholarship on that. Start with Ehrman's recent How Jesus Became God

>No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.

>My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.

>Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.

You only start hearing claims of divinity in John, the last of the Gospels and by far the least accurate. But, being a stupid christnigger, you will be incapable of understanding this and resort to bizarre pretzel logic and calling me a fedora tipper.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groups_claiming_affiliation_with_Israelites

look

Don't take legends too seriously though. Their presence in India is definitely much more recent than that, absolutely after the Roman occupation.

>Judaism is old

Nope, modern Judaism does not even resemble the earlier polytheist cults of Israel and Judea. Look up Documentary Hypothesis

might as well say Christianity is the oldest because it has a ton of ancient pagan rights and symbols in it.

>3000 years old
do you think David founded Judaism or something? 2600-2500 for monotheism, 2000 for something recognizable as Judaism to us

3500 years ago God gave Moses the 10 commandments, and the Old Covenant, after freeing them from Egypt.

It's 3500 years old.

>earlier texts
of the Torah? I'm not aware of any copies of OT texts that are explicitly polytheistic, perhaps some hints of it in the text but not a document where it outright is polytheistic. as far as I'm aware the oldest copies of OT texts are the dead sea scrolls and a fragment of a text from the 6th century that looks like it could be a part of Numbers (or material incorporated into Numbers).

nice laughs

First temple wasn't built until 835BC though

I'm a jew and I have no respect for goys like you who try to kiss our asses all the time. None of us do. We laugh at you behind closed doors

>completely missing out the Babylonian period, the point where exile and city culture became the normal state of jewish diaspora

because they don't learn or mesh with other cultures.

Probably because of having a set body of scripture of some sort. Nearly every religion that has done this even if it is younger has managed to survive unlike many of the pagan religions and mystery cults.