Why was it acceptable to be a hebephile (attraction to pubescent girls) back then but people call you "pedo" for even...

>morals
>in diseased ridden shitholes of the past

getting food on the table matters most desu

There's nothing immoral about being attracted to someone who is ready for breeding. It's basic human biology.

That guy looks like Richard Spencer

You /pol/tards have a very unusual obsession with cuckoldry.

>but people call you "pedo" for even being attracted to 16 year olds now
Depends heavily on where you live, unless you're like fifty yourself. 16 is age of consent in my state, and much of the united states.

"Ready for breeding" is not a binary condition. Just because it's technically physically possible for a girl to become pregnant (which can be as early as ~8 years old) does not mean it is healthy for her to have sex, let alone bear children, let alone raise them.

My great grandma had her first son when she was 13. She turned out just fine.

>(((they))) don't want us to pair with women at their most fertile age.

Why would you even reply to that

>oy vey sleep around for now and settle down with an old infertile hag in your mid 30s! We can't have you whit- I mean privileged first-worlders having too many babies, that would be bad for le overpopulation problem! (Nevermind that I'm importing millions of third world Muslims into your country goyim)

>n=1

Because of the pedo hysteria, hebephilia is perfectly natural in both genders because humans are biologically adults when they hit puberty, being mentally adult doesnt mean a damn thing to mother nature.

>Your dick can get hard so fuck a woman already
>What? You cant understand it? Kid most creatures on this rock cant even think so fuck the woman already!

It should be legal for men to court teenage girls although this would fuck over teenage boys since girls would choose big strong college men over them anyday due to hypergamy.

The historical turning point was between the 50s and 80s.
As the political and social importance of sexual behaviours became more and more largely recognized, extreme conservative (kill the gays) and liberal positions (fuck everything) cancelled themselves and the growing demand for control was hijacked out of the hands and wills of both the individuals and communities. The state assumed that controlling function. But what was he to enforce ? That was the object of some struggle.
In the end, a compromise appeared : do what you want, except the children.
And as the taboos of homosexuality, extramarital sexuality, etc, were broken, the taboo of child sexuality was inflated in proportion, subjected to all of the moral force of the people, as it had no other outlet.

Here is a historical picture of these struggles.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law

the fact that children aren't an expendable commodity anymore,for their parents to cultiate the fields. So no exact turning point, but i would say the mechanization of agriculture.
>history
>not anecdotal

I've always been curious about this. Did he consummate their marriage on their wedding night or wait until she's hit puberty? Ignoring morality I feel like it would be physically dangerous for a grown man to try fit his dick in a 8 year old's pussy. Edgar Allen Poe married a 12 year old but apparently didn't consummate their marriage until she was 16(they slept in seperate beds until then)

I'm actually not going to subscribe to any conspiracy theory about Reptilian catholic jews trying to deprive us of the joys of jailbait poontang. The laws are actually in effect for the protection of underage people. They differ from country to country (and from what I understand, from state to state in the US) though, so maybe there is no material truth to back the rules up?

Humans usually reach sexual maturity between at some point 12 and 14. It can happen sooner or later though. It makes sense for everyone to be able to legally take part in sex as soon as their bodies are ready for it.

I assume that the lawmakers have good intentions to protect underage people (girls, mostly) from adult creepers. It is true that emotional stress and even psychological damage can come from unequal intimate relationships, even those with no strong coercion involved. But that isn't really a matter of age, is it? It has much more to do with the individual's sexual education, mental maturity, sense of self-worth and assertiveness. Some people have enough of all that to make healthy decisions for themselves, some don't. It isn't really a matter of age though. People can still be harmed in sexual experiences even if they're in their thirties and have been having sex for a decade.

And no, there is literally nothing wrong with being attracted to girls and boys ~13+. Your brain is programmed that way. But sometimes you have good reasons, even beyond the legal ones, not to act upon your urges.

someone keeps posting this same thread over and over

answer: in the past if you diddled a noble's daughter you would be hung in a cage until you starved to death, they just didn't care enough to enforce the law amongst the peasants

t. delusional moralfag

>The first recorded age-of-consent law dates from 1275 in England; as part of its provisions on rape, the Statute of Westminster 1275 made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was later interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.

And the high AoC today is really a very recent thing if you use the "but muh Middle Ages were backwards" argument:

>In the 16th century, a small number of Italian and German states set the minimum age for sexual intercourse for girls, setting it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European countries also began to enact similar laws. The first French Constitution of 1791 established the minimum age at 11 years. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons initially set the minimum age at 10–12 years.

>The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. [6] Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."

Casanova was famous for fucking very young girls:

>Casanova also loved very young girls: "In 1755, when he was thirty, Casanova had sex with thirteen-year-old Helene in Paris, but stopped short of intercourse, because he hesitated over the price: “little Helene, whom I enjoyed, while leaving her intact.” In 1765, when he was forty, he purchased a thirteen-year-old girl in St. Petersburg as a sexual slave, and therefore did not need to deny himself any of her favors. In the memoirs he described the Russian girl as emphatically prepubescent: “Her breasts had still not finished budding. She was in her thirteenth year. She had nowhere the definitive mark of puberty.”

I feel like the age gap here was still considered a little strange even in the 30's.

Otherwise why would their be so many pictures and articles surrounding them?

>ywn provide for your qt loli wife and have many children

>girls would choose big strong college men over them anyday due to hypergamy.
>would

Were you homeschooled or something?

>Dude maaaaam fuck the paaast maaan
>Wir way betr an em cuz wr modrn an stf
>Only modern urbanites and our progressive sensibilities created morality

Totally have to agree with you fellow xir why do we even study history, were the best ever of all time and the bestest most moral people. Those cruel barbarians have nothing to offer us they are just savages. The 21st century is the definitive end to the story that is humanity.

Did I forgot to mention im vegan btw :3

You seem upset.

>back then but people call you "pedo" for even being attracted to 16 year olds now?
What's it like forgetting people live outside of America?

Women's suffrage caused it.

Women know that if allowed to men would prefer to flirt with 14-18 year olds far more than 28 year olds up. Restricting men to adult women increases the value of older women and makes them more likely to marry whores in their 30s.

Good, MILFs are superior to hebeshit anyway.

Not at all, totally not at all. No one would ever be triggered by some fuckwit in a history board dismissing virtually all prior histories past judgements based on littleraly nothing.

Were all reasonable people here, only reasonable people view history linearly.

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Why do faggots like you have to make everything about America?

>But that isn't really a matter of age, is it?

Not entirely, but it's a start. Laws require cutting off points, clear delineations between what is and isn't okay. Ages of consent are, at least in theory, just the ages where 100% of the mentally and physically healthy population will have mentally and physically matured to the point where sex and childbirth are no longer traumatising or dangerous.

Then in some cases they add a couple of years onto that number to be on the safe side, and sometimes they add other special laws (like a 19 and 17 year old being okay or at least less bad in an area where the age is 18).

Is this too broad? Maybe, but it's still probably the best solution.

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Not the guy you replied to originally but he isn't exactly wrong. Morals mean nothing when you're dying of starvation and diseases. You're just buttblasted because it distorts your idealized view on history.

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I just looked up how it is handled in my country and it's actually a pretty good system. Much better than the "have fun in prison if you shag your 17 year old boyfriend, miss 18 year old"-bullshit they have in some of the united states. I'll give you the basic gist of it.
>14 is the absolute limit
>you are not accountable if you're under 14 yourself, so at least you won't go to prison if you're both 13 and you fuck
>having sex with someone below 16 years is legal, but it's easier to persecute someone who molests someone of that age
>having sex with someone below 18 is legal, unless you pay them for it and are 18+, or they are in a predicament of which you take advantage

>we plowed young pussy for literally the entire human history
>you're telling me it's "wrong and immoral" now because of only the last 100 years where it isn't common anymore

It really looks like it's something that's just being unnaturally suppressed to me. The younger the woman, the more fertile she is. Old hags give birth to unhealthy babies.

Friendly reminder super young mothers give birth to the shitty children at a similar rate to older mothers. The risk for autism, down syndrome, genetic diseases wrt age to J shaped. Late teens early 20s mother is the sweet spot.

Yeah it turns out laws and customs aren't eternal.
>The younger the woman, the more fertile she is
Wrong. Healthiest babies come from mothers in their 20s.

I haven't seen any study proving teenage mothers give birth to unhealthy children. The children of teen moms turn out bad for other reasons.

How's your wife doing, Steven?

Good point. But stats is stats is stats.

source?

Yeah, but the stats in that case have more to do with the type of environment the children were raised, not the womb where they came from.

Even in the US itself, the age of consent is typically one or two years below 18.

Define super young.

This seems reasonable, although I admit to being weirded out by 14 year olds having sex with older people.

Normally, a man is supposed to fuck a girl ripe for breeding, and then provide for his wife and child/ren.
Like said, it's all environmental, girls are busy getting educations nowadays, and therefore can't take care of their child, and thus, the child turns out to be miserable, leading the girl, soon to be a woman, into disaster.

Genetically though? It is superior to that of an old, wrinkly and ugly hag. Women above the age of 30 are a waste anyway.

>30 year time span
i don't think you know what the word "point" means senpai

It's certainly a point in the context of the evolution and history of human sexuality which stretches back long before we even became modern humans.

between the dawn of human history and the 1900s

Moralfags are assholes. That's pretty much it.

There was a man arrested in Canada recently for buying a loli sex doll. Something that would actually help PREVENT the abuse of children. But they don't care, all they care about is having the "I just locked up a pedo" feeling. Also the same thing with loli hentai being illegal in the US.

you're damned right it was considered strange then. Just look at that headline. This shit might have occured, but it was the outlier. Just look at how Jerry Lewis tanked his career for divorcing his wife to marry his "15 yr old" cousin, and she wasn't even that old at that time!

The sexual revolution, as a means of maximising a woman's sexual value.

>Something that would actually help PREVENT the abuse of children.
that's like saying violent video games prevent school shootings. THey are neither the cause nor cure, and obviously people who are willing to act IRL are likely to enjoy pretending, but having that fantasy doesn't necessitate that you will ever ACT.

9 year old is too young obviously, but 12 and up was normal.

Problem: Mortality via giving birth

Remember, the mortality of women delivering, and of the delivered baby, was FAR higher prior the slow introduction of sanitary places.

Having a child was a far bigger gamble beyond the past 70 or so years.

Also we look for paedomorphic features in our mates. Longer development = larger brain and yadda yadda.

Remember, signaling morality gives a "plus" to your social ranking. Which in turn is just a power game.

Unfortunately, our society is filled with people licking their chops because they have nothing better to do. A society overrun by moral predators who dropped out of "social" predation. There is no end to the absolute pettiness of people who toe the 25% - 75% line.

Every effort to assert themselves as a powerful force is made. The social ranking algorithims of primates are the gate of all evil.

Playing violent videogames is not a natural need that require release, unlike sexuality. Rather pathetic that there seem to be no studies on whether the availability of pornographic material increases or decreases rates of actual molestation and sexual assault and so on.

>Problem: Mortality via giving birth
Human females have been pooping out babies in their teenhood since the beginning of our species.

>Rather pathetic that there seem to be no studies on whether the availability of pornographic material increases or decreases rates of actual molestation and sexual assault and so on

There is one from Denmark that showed rates of child molestation were lower when possession/viewing of child porn was legal there I believe. Can't find it right now.

Yes but the reduction of mother and child mortality has enabled a devaluation of those very roles (of being a mother and of being a child).

Now it's "optional". What matters now is women getting their rocks off with the top 10-20% of men who make them feel like something, if for just a moment.

Without children and without a future, they get their feeling of power from entrapping people in their bastardized version of a moral worldview.

"Women and morality? HA!"

Sorry but this spinster needs to rank up in the sexual desire category so we're closing off an age group from consent.

The social ranking algorithms of primates are the gate of all evil.

This, moral hysteria is absolutely relentless today. People will tear you apart without a single thought if there's a chance for upvotes or some equivalent.