Aside from picrel and winged hussars which military formations consistently won against enemies who had numerical...

How were they useless if they won you cretin? And since when Sweden was weak?

The user is trying to say that they were a pretty good cavalry force, but nothing more.
They had their share of wins and losses.

And the overwhelming majority of people who hype them would probably be hardpressed to name any battle outside muh Vienna where they were involved (despite Poland-Lithuania fighting a billion wars at their time)

>losses

name 3

Greek hoplites in phalanx

Dude, the Poles kept losing most of their wars during the 17th century, so pick whatever battle you like from the multitude of wars, where the hussars were involved.
There should be more then enough.

I wouldn't say ''most''. Truth is the only reason why this board shittalks hussars is because they were eastern european if they were westerners everyone would suck their dick.

You are listing single raids and uprisings.

Meanwhile the Poles lost that long swedish war at the beginning of the century; they lost the turkish border war, they lost the Cossack stage, the Russian stage and the Swedish stage of the Deluge, only turning the tide when the HRE and Prussia became involved; they won the later stage of the Deluge against the Russians; they were victorious in their contribution in the Great Turkish War (which was tiny after Vienna) and then lost practically every single battle of the Great Northern War.

That said, the polish cavalry was famed even in western europe,. so its certainly not shit; but also not some invincible force. Its hard to compare them to other top militaries of their time, because they never fought the French, Spanish or Dutch, and overwhelmingly lost in their encounters with the Swedes

>lost that long swedish war at the beginning of the century

you mean this one? If you wanna talk about PLC loses then the best examples are from18th century when the cretin nobles tanked their own country but at that point hussars were in decline.

Swedes are cucks

>Poles elect a swedish prince to the throne, which causes swedish butthurt because he had also a claim to the swedish throne
>invade Poland to have him renounce his rights
>inconclusive fighting for some time
>defeat of the Poles; the major city of Riga falls, which the Swedes now demand for themselfs
>more fighting, Swedes conquer all of the Baltic States
>advance into Prussia, but are called to intervene into the Thirty Years War instead
>the HRE begs the Poles to keep fighting against the Swedes, now is the time to turn the tide
>instread they give the major logistic staging point on the Vistula to the Swedes for their coming german invasion; then cede all the Baltics

Somehow, this is indecisive in the eyes of the Polands. Of course the initial casus belli -the right of the polnish king to the swedish throne- was not achieved, but from any other perspective it was a crushing defeat

I'm not the one who made that wikipedia list and just because you don't like the definition of a word doesn't mean ''indecisive'' can change based on your whims.

The formations that had better guns.
Maybe they didn't always win, but they often did.

But you were arguing about the polnish cav and were using a war as your argument, that saw major swedish victories and annexations, no matter how someone on Wikipedia labels it.

The formation where you dig a wall or a trench around your dudes and you wait for the idiots to come.

Same user and actually I may be wrong here, because on a closer look what you listed was just one PHASE of the whole war, that lasted up till 1629-
So okay, the first two phases were actually inconclusive and only the later two phases crushing swedish victories.
I dont think that alters the argument much though-

Caroleans

*Spartan
forget Thermopylae?
:^)

Normans/Angevins have great victories over numerically superior forces.

> 276 Normans
> 50,000 Muslims

Gugler war, they btfo English knights 1378
Battle of St. Jakob at the Birs 1444, full out psychopath attack on a French force that outnumbered them 20-30 times (ok, technically not a win, but what a bloodbath for the French)
Battle of Laupen 1339, Bern btfo Habsburg, outnumbered 3:1
Battle of Giornico 1478, 600 Swiss btfo 10'000 Milanese
Battle of Morgraten 1315, 1500 Swiss massacre 8000 Habsburg

The list goes on and on, between 1300 and 1500 the Swiss won almost every single battle against the major powers of Europe, and most of the time they where vastly outnumbered. The Swabian war against the HRE is likely the finest show of Swiss military prowess, The Swiss militia rapes the Imperial army and the Landsknechts.

P.S. pikemen did only make up 15-40 percent of swiss formations, depending on time composition of the army in question. Early Swiss formations (before 1387, battle of Sempach) did not contain pikes at all, but rather the Halberd, which kept on being their preferred pole arm.

> 286 Normans
> 53,000 Muslims

a single Norman is worth well more than a hundred times some goat fucker

The wiki page must be updated, it states the losses for the Muslim forces were heavy thousands (20-35K)

>the only reason why this board shittalks hussars is because they were eastern european if they were westerners everyone would suck their dick
CORRECTUS

>Western Christian Cavalry
FAP FAP FAP
>Eastern Christian Cavalry
LOL FUCKING NOOBS SLAVS SUCK LOL

Quads of truth