Why couldn't communists grasp that human nature exists? People like owning things, we aren't animals

>myths

>be far, far, far in the future
>gommunism finally achieved!
>peacefully and without killing everyone intelligent this time lololol
>be me out picking berries
>fukken love berries
>get back to the kibbutz style global village utopia
>some lazy cunt greets me and asks for his share of my berries
>says his wife loves berries and I need to share
>say no, barrel roll past him
>eat half the berries, trade the rest to his wife for sexy tiem

GOMMUNISM BTFO HOW CAN THEY EVEN COMPETE

rightists stake out extreme abstract characterizations of what their enemies are doing so that when a reasonable thing is suggested, they can claim it's AGAINST HUMAN NATURE or LIBERTY or TRYING TO PERFECT HUMANITY. Rather than assessing the actual implications

>my idealization of a perfect future that only exists in my mind completely justifies all the failed attempts at achieving it, including all the deaths

Communist logic. It should be really considered a mental illness by now, such inversions in the logic of time are not healthy.

>>>/leftypol/

Plus even if they got to the point of starting a stateless society the 69 genders of communism would be battling and spin the world into chaos.

>We're techno-commies we hate the anarcho-primitive commies

>techno-commies get WREKT we're the true marxists!!!!

>ayyy hold up, anarcho-furrie-comm has arrived yiff in hell!!!!!

If there is a horse nature. And there is a dog nature. And there is a skunk nature. Why shouldn't there be a human nature?

>lololol
>fukken love berries
>sexy tiem
>69 genders of communism
You sound like a 12 year old that has never read a political text and whose knowledge is limited to what /pol/ thought him.

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What does human nature mean? What's human nature? Can you prove whatever you say is human nature is human nature?

You sound like a fat NEET who let leftypol rot his brain.

>if you are against my outlandish utopia you're a fascist/nazi
When a Marxist says this you know his brain has been rotted away and full of delusions.

Seeing how your quote is imaginary, you might as well imagine the person who said it has a rotting brain, sure.

Communism is so impossible even 12 year olds know it lmfao.

and yet still knows it's horseshit.

I don't know who is more pathetic, white nationalists who fight for the white race and are rejected by most actual white people, or communists who claim to hold the key for a future utopia of peace and unity but who can't stop fighting between themselves and splitting into different groups.

This

Clearly the anarcho-queer-furries are the only real marxists

Why is there so many damage control conversations about Commies?
Conversations that start with
WHY ARE COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL PEOPLE WHO ARENT EVEN HERE EXACTLY LIKE I SAY THEY ARE? CUZ IM RIGHT LOL

Next you'll be telling me the wealth hoarders whould be allowed to own my grandchildren because "Human nature, it just happens"

Human nature is a loaded BS philosophical term for people who don't realize genes exist and that gene pools change.

>That toothbrush? Mine.
Wrong. It belongs to the workers, you bourgeoisie scum!

Lol look at the thread image

It's literally shitpost as hard as you can

And honestly no one minds if you go do gommunism lol just do it without our State involved. We're busy doing cool State shit and we don't want a hurdy durr gommie revolution

That's because leftists achieve their goals by incrementalism. "Reasonable" concessions are repeatedly made over generations until people eventually wake up to discover their entire culture has been dismantled and replaced with Marxist cosmopolitanism. For better or worse rightists draw a line in the sand and say "no further" regardless of how "sensible" the concessions asked of them are.

What does dog nature mean? What's dog nature? Can you prove whatever you say is dog nature is dog nature?

No?
I guess dogs have no actual nature then and there's no difference between a dog and a man!

Yeah they are never satisfied.

Rightists want to improve what exists and leftists are always change it all now now now or you're a ___________ist ___________phobic anti-_________!!!!!!!

And we're all like chiiiiiillll

Dogs act a certain way same with humans. Are you really going to play dumb and pretend they don't just because you can't see it?

Nice tu quoque + non sequitur.

I have several friends who are communists, and their rebuttal against the frequent "capitalism = human nature" argument is:

It's true that people exhibit certain behaviors that are incompatible with communism, but those behaviors arise not out of unchangeable inherent human traits but out of the material conditions people live in. People living in capitalist societies behave the way they do because the capitalist economic system incentivizes such behaviors.

Therefore, if people are removed from those material conditions (i.e. put into a full, stateless, socialist utopia that Marx dreamed of), people will no longer exhibit such behaviors.

I'm personally inclined to partly agree and partly disagree--I agree that people might not behave the way they do necessarily out of some sort of innate set of behaviors we can't escape from, but instead behave according to the material conditions that surround us. However, where I disagree with my friends is that the material conditions that defines our behavior isn't CAPITALISM, but rather living in areas with scarce resources. If everyone had access to all the things they could ever want then yeah, I'd be more willing to bet that people would be a lot less likely to act in the self-centered fashion that helps prevent communism from working the way it "should".

>Why couldn't communists grasp that human nature exists? People like owning things, we aren't animals.
They did, which is why a large part of their social structure was aimed at re-educating people into the proper mindset needed to make communism work. This is called socialism.

Better question. Why do retards who have no clue about Communism and the Socialist countries make threads in which they ask stupid questions?

sum it up in a sentence or two or im not reading.

Fine.

>Communists: "human nature" is a meme because how we behave is determined by our material conditions, not some sort of unchangeable innate human trait

>Me: yes, but our defining material condition is scare resources not capitalism

Commushits deny dominance hierarchies and pecking orders exist and a communist society would ultimately revolve around good looking sociopaths manipulating everyone else to do their bidding...just like today but without the equalizing aspect of people getting lucky and becoming fabulously rich.

>our defining material condition is scare resources
primitivism.com/original-affluent.htm

I'm not appealing to hypocrisy and any "non seqitur" present is intentional, as my point is that relying on someone's inability to immediately distill the answer to a complex philosophical question when prompted to, is not a valid counter-argument.

I'm not asking to "distill the answer to a complex philosophical question". There is no question at all if you can't define the terms you are arguing about.