Why do alt right manchildren love to fetishise Rome out of everything in history?

Do white nationalists get triggered when they read about non-white Roman emperors?

Because it was the greatest empire in history, it was white, it was aesthetic and it's culture was something else.

>it was white

~50% of the Roman empire was non-European

>non white Roman Emperors
WE

A sense of belonging to a cultural greatness. Its the same thing with the blacks glorifying ancient egypt.

When you have no other sense of accomplishment, you take accomplisment of others and claim it as your own.

Some of us would like to leave the dark ages and get back to the glory of the Pax Romana

>WE

Not only are Romans considered not white, they'd consider themselves "olive"

First off, blacks have no reason to glorify ancient Egypt because they have absolutely no relation to ancient Egypt. That's like me trying to glorify the Han dynasty.

Second, it's not about accomplishments, it's about taking pride in your heritage and history. I'm living comfortably, have everything I want and would ever want and yet I still have enormous interest in Rome and it's history. Now, you can be a pleb and care only about your next burger meal, but for people like me, who are little above your social standing, such short-sightedness is stupid. Now if you don't belong to any "cultural greatness", which I imagine you do not, then you're kinda fucked. Sorry.

>Now, you can be a pleb and care only about your next burger meal, but for people like me, who are little above your social standing, such short-sightedness is stupid. Now if you don't belong to any "cultural greatness", which I imagine you do not, then you're kinda fucked. Sorry.

Congratulations! You descend from all kinds of Mediterranean people! Now fuck off and go do something with your life instead of dick measuring on an anonymous imageboard about some heritage bullshit that is a complete coincidence of fate which you had no hand in.

If youre some kind of German or Celt, then fuck off you have no claim to Mediterranean greatness.

Are you Italian?

If you're Chinese, there's plenty of reason to glorify Han dynasty.

If you're black, glorifying Ancient Egypt is pretty much a given. Both are source of pride for the people who have nothing to show off on themselves.

Pride of heritage/history is simply taking accomplishment of others as yourself, there's no getting around it. You weren't there to do it, there's a 99% chance your direct ancestors weren't there to do it. There's literally no relation other than you using some of their ideas in current day world. In such case, even the Buddhists of China/Japan/India/Sri Lank could claim ancient Greek formal logic as their own. And in reverse, the Greeks could claim Hindu philosophy under their banner as well.

Hindus actually do this too, its called Hindu nationalism. Where they claim everything as the work of their ancestor.

There's no real difference between those Hindu nationalist and what the people who claim to ancient Roman achievements and people who claim to ancient Egyptian and ancient Han dynasty achievements.

Its all purely a ego boost simply because they themselves are not in any way, form, or shape presentable or accomplished.

Truly is pathetic.

Actually ancient Egypt was under Numid rule for a time and they did have black pharaos
Coincidentally, everything went to shit around that time

I'm on a phone so I can't find the links anymore but it should be pretty easy to verify

You were the descendant of some random pleb user

Well my family claims descent from celestial sages so in a way WE WUZ SPACE GODS AND SHEEIT.

Still have to work hard to pay for internet and shitposting rights on 4chinz.

OP confirmed for Carthagefag

Because it's arguably one of, if not the greatest of civilizations ever to exist.
I'd rank it third, personally.

Carthage should have won

>Why do people who would like an authoritarian government with limited voting rights, collectivist leaning tendencies socially but not necessarily as collectivist economically, and a society based based on moral systems similar to stoicism, like roman civilization?
I really don't know.

>Pride of heritage/history

No, it's really not. Having respect for history is nothing like "taking" an accomplishment. Do I respect Roman culture? Yes. What they did? Yes. The fact that they are pretty much the basis for modern day civilization? Yes. Do I roleplay as a Roman or do I want to bring back Roman times? Fuck no. There's a fine line between saying "I WUZ ROMAN N SHIET" and respecting Roman civilization.

Only idiots who can't look past their nose have no respect for history.

What's your noteworthy accomplishment, may I ask? What the fuck have you done for humanity? And no, having a job or going to college is not an "accomplishment".

>Not only are Romans considered not white, they'd
By who?

Because they were badass as fuck you butthurt piece of shit kraut cunt.

>You aren't allowed to feel good about what your ancestors did!
>But if they did something bad then you have to atone for it every single day, you filthy colonist racist big shitlord
Yeah, nah. Just because you hate yourself doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

>'Having a steady job and raising a family isn't a noble goal/accomplishment'
Holy shit.

I love how people like you arbitrarily stop using that type of deconstruction in your analysis.
So, you shouldn't be proud of people you descend from because "you didn't do it", fine.
Should I not be proud of my sister for becoming a teacher because it was her who studied, not me?
But let's go further, should I not be proud of anything I did because ultimately "I" didn't do anything at all, it was just a matter of phsyically determined movements of particles?
At what point do you realize this is demented?

How is that any different from modern Europe?

North africa, near east.

>When you have no other sense of accomplishment, you take accomplisment of others and claim it as your own.

>He fell for the "people support societies for fulfilment" meme

Or maybe it's a sense of community and altruism you lack and can't identify?

I am actually the direct descendent of Alexander the Great
I hope the Middle East is ready for the Hellenic empire v3.0

How's the wage-and-literal cucking going?

>Being retarded
>Failing your studies so badly that you couldn't get salaried
wew

fpbp

>If you're black, glorifying Ancient Egypt is pretty much a given
We wuz kangz nd shiat

Because I like roleplaying.

The ROMANS were badass, yes.

The alt-right, basement-dwelling, product-of-nine-generations-of-inbreeding looking fucks who glorify them are anything but.

what are the roman ideas again?
And how do you stop the ottomans from fucking your shit up?

>product-of-nine-generations-of-inbreedin
I didn't know the alt-right was comprised entirely of arabs, interesting!

Everyone likes Rome you silly boy

>what are the roman ideas again?
eu4wiki.com/Roman_Empire
>And how do you stop the ottomans from fucking your shit up?
imgur.com/a/UbqsO

Arabs aren't the only people who inbreed, silly

It's definitely widespread, though. Honestly, for how much they hate Arabs, the alt-right has a lot in common with their culture even discounting inbreeding jokes (xenophobia, misogyny, radical right ideas, religious motivations, calls for those they don't like to be purged, etc.).

Ally with a strong nation and ottomans wont fuck your shit up.

>SO, HMMM
>*sharts in walmart*
>I MEAN, LIKE....
>*rolls in scooter*
>WE... UHMMM
>*has a child with his niece*
>WE WERE, LIKE, ROMANS N' STUFF

>Arabs aren't the only people who inbreed, silly
Yeah, pakis are inbred too. In europe inbreeding isn't a thing aside from very small mountainous villages, thanks mostly to the catholic church and the tradition it established on hte matter.
>Honestly, for how much they hate Arabs, the alt-right has a lot in common with their culture
I love this meme, it makes it really easy to spot those who have no understanding of politics or cultures. user, altrighters aren't saying anything that would be too conservative in the late 19th century, in fact they're a lot more progressive than the progressives back then. Do you think 19th century europe was basically the same culturally as arab land?
Seriously?

These guys are white, so their ancestors too

Who are you quoting?

Nesta doesn't look white

Insecure masculinity.

It doesn't fucking matter what they identify as. They are an Indo-European civilization. They're "white"

I don't know about them, but i get triggered when the walking insult to human intelligence that are americans categorize romans as multiracial

I mean it's one thing when you autists categorize all romans as either white or not white, but when you start selecting a certain Roman as
"white" and then a certain other Roman as "nonwhite", or what other goddamn races you have invented in your head, it just takes the cake.

and that is something shameful? plebs were proud of their roman culture and civilization and formed the ranks of the roman armies that conquered the known world and many great generals were also of pleb origin

god you rootless marxist dogs disgust me

Not Hegel tho

But don't the romans represent everything they REEEEE's against? Multi-culturalism civil liberties freedom of speech, etc

Firstly, Romans don't represent any of that, they've had all sorts of governments and philosophies in their long history, so it's up to interpretation as to what they "represent"

Secondly, who's "they"? what is the ideology of "le alt right"? they usually claim to be libertarians

They have really bought into the "Rome fell because of degeneracy" meme

They start worshipping germanics from the viking age onwards. Before that they are only a neat example of uncontrolled immigration to be thrown around in internet debates

Libertarians are a meme now. Useless, stale, and pointlessly contrarian.

>civil liberties
>freedom of speech

Did you have any idea what the "Lex Julia" and Proscriptions were prior to my post?

But those are very Roman things to do, hell, if i were to fully LARP as a Roman, i would be an ex-military, married-at-18 father of four(just to get a boy) political activist fucking around near or in the senate and house of representatives asking why won't they let me give a speech all day, with trips to the football stadium and the gym/sauna in-between.

And for some reason you leftist faggots love to equate the two. I think you just have a massive inferiority complex.

>multi-culturalism
Anything that wasn't Roman culture was publicly scorned though

The Romanization of conquered territory was not much different then the Germanization hitler planned for eastern europe,you know.there wasnt much multi-culti.

Not really cultures that wernt barbarian teir were incorporated into Roman culture or left alone

> -510

Good job, you're one of the billions of people around the world that have a job and a family. Congratulations. What a magnificient achievement.

they don't

cool thread, trying to stir up drama

WE WUZ EMPERORS N SHEET

So Indians are white as well? Good to know.

Apparently

nobody's mad, its a joke you gigantic faggot

get out

>Nationalism before french revolution

>Many great pleb generals

>Marius
no
>CJC
no
>Agrippa
no
>my man scipio
no
>Vespasian
rich
>Germanicus
no
>Agricola
no
>Aurelian
yes
>Septimius Severus
no
>Aëtius
no

Almost everything you said was not roman

>What a magnificent achievement.
Yes, it is. You're not one of those people who thinks that their life is cheapened by accomplishments of others, are you?

Not at all, Romanization typically sought to integrate the existing power structures into the Roman system, and thereby keeping their grip.
Most local rulers and magistrates were taught Latin, and would soon see the superiority of the Roman way, they then started building in the Roman style, and the citizens would catch on. Assimilation, essentially.

Hitler planned direct colonization of Eastern Europe by Germans.

romans didn't care about any of those things

Lel looks like you got triggered hard

that's not at all what he said tho

Yes delet this

Fuck you Agrippa is a great general as is Germanicus

There was literally one half Arab emperor. The others were "white".

Do you get triggered when people say Rome wasn't an empire of equality and multiculturalism or when they point to Roman writers who clearly distinguished between European and non European peoples?

It was very different user. Just because it wasn't that multi-culti in the modern sense doesn't make it literally hitler. The roman confederacy was extremely complex and engineered to dangle citizenship or near-citizenship (civitas sine suffragio) in front of latin allies to encourage loyalty and good performance.

Abd romans weren't shy of borrowing certain foreign ideas, particularly in the military, if it was good enough.

But didn't the Romans mix with dirty non-Indo-European Etruscans?

>Rome
>Multi-culturalism civil liberties freedom of speech

>rome/italy is not in europe
Not him but are you retarded?

>There was literally one half Arab emperor. The others were "white".

Nice historical ""knowledge""

Tell me about the black emperurz. I wanna get woke.

He is and they are, I'm saying they weren't born plebs

>Roman
>Multi Culturalism

Ensvlaving the defeated counts as multi culturalism now?

They existed for 2000 years, hell the Roman policy of electing a dictator when under an existential threat is what inspired fascism's one party dictatorial policies. On top of that they were racist and elitist as fuck, patricians could only be made up of families native to Rome.

work makes you free though