Where the Native Americans (not including Mexico, that's a whole new topic) really that advanced? Were they stone age peoples? What advancements did they make to help better mankind?
Where the Native Americans (not including Mexico, that's a whole new topic) really that advanced...
Elijah Martinez
Connor Fisher
they kept the land warm until the white man came
that's about it.
Noah Sanchez
Guacamole
Gabriel Green
Literally nothing except teaching stupid white people how to grow corn
Aaron Wilson
It depends. Some tribes had the basics of masonry and metallurgy, while others lived entirely in mud huts and used flint tools. But overall, not very advanced. Pre-Bronze Age. That being said, I have to give them mad props because once they were introduced to European technology centuries ahead of their own they picked it up rather quickly. So their plight was a lack of invention rather than a lack of ability.
Aiden Nguyen
They contributed a lot of the culinary arts and domestication of many foods. Iroquois had a democracy dating back 800 years ago. They likely had an influence on enlightenment thinkers as well.
Josiah Ramirez
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Iroquois even had an effect on early colonial township governance too... The model system was imitated in some cases. Also, adding on to what you said in the last part, the general concept of the freedom and attunement with nature that the native americans were portrayed as having did indeed have an effect on Enlightenment thinkers as well as Romantics and Transcendentalists.
Eli Walker
typical american food is essentially native american food with a european flair, early agriculture in the americas was based off native ways, so they weren't 100% retarded
i do find this interesting blows my mind that the US had such a wealth of raw materials but natives never got into metal works
Justin Campbell
A smattering of tribes did... (And before those in the "cradle of civilization" on the other side of the world did at that.)
The main problem is that most tribes followed herds of buffalo the size of states about through their seasonal migrations. This doesn't let you settle down to start mining build forges, etc. They did plant some crops, but usually with the intention of coming by these plantations once or twice a season. Most of those in climates too cold to support that moved south to areas where that limitless food supply was roaming about.
There were several exceptions, of course, but none were as successful as the migrating tribes, and conflict would occur whenever a migrating tribes path took it across the settlement of a more agrarian one. (And the buffalo themselves did slightly limit the locations where you could set up a stationary town, without it getting trampled twice a year.)
The idea that the Africans had it easier than the Europeans is laughable (quite the opposite really) - but in the case of the northern Native Americans, they really did. ...At least when they weren't killing each other.
Joseph Rodriguez
There was one Native Tribe in Canada that learned Iron Working from the Vikings and had iron axes and stuff. They would often roleplay as the vikings after the VIkings left because it was a useful fear tool against other tribes.
Ryder Hughes
They were good for keeping blankets warm
Angel Diaz
imma need a link on that, that sounds awesome
Jacob Howard
No they were dumb niggers unlike me who is white and superier.
Wyatt Bailey
When we think of "native Americans", what we actually think of is the Mad Max survivors of the mass die-off caused by the introduction of diseases. Even the "primative" north American indians had sophisticated cultures and cities before Columbus, it's just that whites never got to see any of them because of the combination of total societal collapse and the depredations of savages such as the Sioux who leveraged horsepower to sweep aside the settled and peaceful farming societies of the great plains.
Joseph Sanchez
It depends on what you mean by "advanced." Keep in mind we're talking about a whole continent full of incredibly varied groups, but in general, Native Americans were more advanced than most people realize.
If you take away the idea that using stone tools automatically makes them less advanced, lots of area actually had many of the features associated with civilization, including monumental architecture, social stratification, and agriculture. This is most true of the Eastern US and Southwest. For a long time, people would come up with explanations as who really built the mounds in the Eastern US because no one thought Indians could have done it (partly because of how disease had affected them). The northwest didn't have agriculture and didn't use masonry, but were sedentary and had a high amount of social stratification. Really, the Plains are the only area where people lived in what normally be thought of as "stone age" conditions, and the Plains weren't even as populated until the introduction of the horse made a number of groups abandon agriculture because following buffalo was easier.
>most tribes followed herds of buffalo
Only in the Plains. Most of the continent relied on agriculture.
Kayden Reyes
>"The arrival of migratory European fishermen in the 16th century may have provided new opportunities for the Beothuk. These fishermen erected stages, flakes and wharves during the summer fishery, but after they left the island to return to Europe, they left behind nails, lost fish hooks, and scraps of iron and kettle. Evidence from a number of Beothuk sites indicates that the Beothuk picked up these metal objects and reworked them into arrowheads, lance points, harpoon end blades, awls and hide scrapers."
>"By contrast, the Beothuk could make a quick trip to an abandoned European fishing station to acquire the desired metal goods."
>"The Beothuk acquired great skill at refashioning these objects into useful tools which would have considerably increased the efficiency of their hunting technology. Iron arrow heads were much tougher than those of stone and were easily re-sharpened. Iron harpoon blades would also have been much more effective than those tipped with stone."
Asher Clark
It seems extremely unlikely that these actually date from the archaic period, if they do then they are the ONLY examples of metalworking by nomadic peoples, ever.
Julian Bell
Gabriel Young
thanks
James Hall
>What advancements did they make to help better mankind?
why is this so important to image board autists?
Alexander Martin
>tfw I've yet to contribute any achievement for mankind.
>tfw I've been bested by people with inferior technology in the past.
Bentley Taylor
Yeah, cuz that'd be, like, totally unprecedented.
It happens, it's just the exception to the rule. Granted, the tribe in question wasn't particularly nomadic.
Unless you mean to indicate that the dating methods are part of a conspiracy to make the Earth appear older than it really is...
Mason Walker
A lot of the native people first met by Europeans on the Atlantic coast were the descendants of people who had reverted back to more primitive lifestyles following the collapse of more advanced societies (Cahokia etc). So it's not really fair to judge the whole continent (or native history) by those tribes (they were living in Fall Out: Indian edition)
Most of the west coast tribes were primitive as fuck and basically stayed the same for thousands of years with no real development.
Hunter Bennett
Klamath and Tolowa women were qt though.
Isaiah Ortiz
This.
The New World was a lot more populated before the Old world diseases came. Early accounts of European explorers paint a much different picture of the North-east than the later colonists do. It went from a land full of villages and people to a sparsly settled almost empty land.
Cameron Campbell
>Yeah, cuz that'd be, like, totally unprecedented.
Well yes, idiot, it would be. Nowhere on Earth do nomadic or even semi-nomadic people practise metalwork, it is solely the preserve of settled people who practise agriculture.
>It happens, it's just the exception to the rule.
It happens to be a mistake, is what it happens to be.
>Unless you mean to indicate that the dating methods are part of a conspiracy to make the Earth appear older than it really is...
Gas yourself you moron.
Jacob Gutierrez
>Nowhere on Earth do nomadic or even semi-nomadic people practise metalwork,
Fun Fact: Genghis Khan's birth name was Temujin. Temujin means blacksmith.
Nomadic doesn't mean people wander around from day-to-day. Nomadic people often stay in places long enough to get things like basic metalworking done.
Also, the people who produced the kinds of artifacts you're questioning weren't that nomadic. They were living in a resource-rich environment and were in the process of transitioning to agriculture. They were also finding large quantities of high-quality and easy-to-work copper that didn't require smelting or casting. The dates for the Old Copper culture are pretty established and no one one doubts them because there isn't a reason to.
Camden Diaz
Thank you fellow user - I guess the picture wasn't hint enough.
The Hunnu empire before the Mongols were even more nomadic, and they did quite a bit of metallurgy as well. The Kazakhs were fairly nomadic and big on it, as were the Penkovka and others. Hell, the Chinese dao sword, which remained popular for so long, is based on metalwork done by nomads.
It's not that unusual for nomads to have some basic metal working, even if it usually isn't as prolific, and they often end up pilfering resources, rather than mining them. Despite the implication of the name, they aren't constantly on the move non-stop, and tend to return to the same spots quite often. Tents work for short term forges, and the larger ones will be there when you get back, and ores, particularly in pristine areas, are often available in large quantities at the surface.
Nicholas Lopez
16th century migratory fishermen were not vikings.
Juan Parker
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Jaxson Robinson
Here, they show 'hunting' where they mean 'hunting and gathering' and 'hunting and gathering' where they mean 'hunting and gardening'.
Hunter Reed
There's always them crazy Anasazi.
>We build city under cliff.
>Why?
>To fuck with future archaeologist's minds!
Gabriel Myers
>What advancements did they make to help better mankind?
cigars
Mason Miller
>It seems extremely unlikely that these actually date from the archaic period
Cameron Stewart
The Great Lakes tribes were hunting, fishing, gathering and gardening.