Someone redpill me on Juan Peron

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on his first period, yes
on his second in the 70s he tried hard to be democratic but there was too much internal fighting inside his movement between left and right

funny, Peron also let thousands of jews in
jewish population in Argentina is around 185.000

As far as actual policies go, he was pretty much a fascist (though the italian kind).

The more ideological, long term goals of fascism though, he never tried for, like seeking total autarky or the complete militarization of society, so you could say he was just a paternal autocrat.

>fascist = antisemtic

Maybe Peron saw how tying anti-semitism to the core philosophy of your government was a BAD MOVE.

Yes, he was, justicialism/peronism is just argentinian fascism

because language isn't as simple as the definitions in a dictionary. No matter what you do, certain words will have associated connotations and people know this on a subconscious level. 'Fascist' is such an ugly word, and if people don't feel right about using it, they'll avoid it and the cognitive dissonance it brings

So what alternative word would you recommend to describe people in Peron and Long's mold? I don't think "populist" cuts it, personally.

me? I am completely uninitiated on either Peron or Long. Assuming that the OP is correct in describing their policies as fascist, I would use the word 'fascist' and refute any feelings-babies that say they're not

but I'm not trying to debate these people, so eh

I'd honestly call him a fascist-lite. He was a fascist, but at the same time not really. Specifically his late rule.

Too bad his ideology divided into Left and Right and both are equally autistic

That's not what red pill means.

How is it a bad move?

Argentine here
in the 40s he was a fascist, of the Italian kind, he had no hatred for Jews and wasnt a racist, in fact he was relatively nonwhite, a person with some native ancestry in a country full of first and second generation Europeans He was an admirer of Mussolini.
He believed in corporativism, cult of personality, nationalism etc, the whole thing. He turned two national territories into provinces and named them Juan Peron and Eva Peron (now they are known as La Pampa and Formosa)
and we were close to creating a fascist corporatist congress that instead of deputies, would have unions and the different parts of society.
He was very wrong, he thought the third world war would happen soon, and by 55 when he was expulsed, he had become basically another latin american proAmerican dictator out of the need for money (Argentina had a lot of money before him, he spent it all in populism/improving the lives of the poor)
Mourning the death of Eva was mandatory, and kids would learn to read with books about how nice Peron and Evita were.
after the coup, 60s and 70s, he said whatever he considered useful for his interests.
Young people in the 70s who were communists liked him and thought Peron would be like the Argentine Mao, also, communists realized most poor people were Peronists, and they thought that because of that they had no other choice but to become Peronists themselves, infiltrating peronism.
These youngsters engaged in terrorism during the military dictatorships of the late 60s and early 70s, and Peron used them to return to the country, telling them what they wanted to hear.
He would say for example that if he were Cuban he would support Castro and that if he were Chinese he would support Mao.
He finally managed to return and become president again, it became clear he was not a communist, and there was a civil war between the right wing labor Unions who supported him since the 40s, and the leftist college students who wanted commie Peron.

he died a year later, when he returned he was already very old and surrounded by very shady people.
now it seems obvious it was a mistake to let him return.

it is arguable but he may have singlehandedly ruined Argentina.
in the 60s and 70s the elected governments had no legitimacy because Peronism was banned, and these governments would suffer coups from the military to prevent them from legalizing peronism and allowing Peron to return.

Peronism was to Argentina what Islam was to Turkey before Erdogan.
Can you have a modern democracy with respect for minorities in a country in which half of the country wants that and the other half doesnt want that? That was the issue