For people who consider anything non-positive about Israel to be anti-semitic...

For people who consider anything non-positive about Israel to be anti-semitic, what exactly make Zionism identical to Semitism?

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I'm more concerned about people who consider anything vaguely neutral or positive about Israel to be Zionist/Ebul Joo/Etc

DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?!?!

THE STATE OF ISRAEL ESSENTIAL FOR ENSURING THAT THE 6 MILLION DIDN'T DIE IN VAIN AND THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN!!!!

HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO CRITICIZE ISRAEL WITHOUT STRIKING AT THE VERY HEART OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE?! HOW COULD YOU?!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU YOU HORRIBLE EVIL BAD BAD NAZI???

I don't see the problem with Zionism

Couldn't care. Israel trolls muslims and I approve.

There's not 1 person who hates Israel that doesn't also hate Jews

this is a fact, that BDS leftists try to dance around.

the only people who hate the best nation in the middle east (israel) are butthurt palestinian diaspora, lefties, and neonazis.

B-but Leftists dig Israel.

Zionism is the idea that Jews have more right to live on your land and expel you from your own land in which you've lived for over a thousand years.

And family members of the crew killed aboard the USS Liberty. . .

I don't hate Jews, I hate people who think it's okay to forcefully kill and expel other people from their land. It's not my fault that most Jews happen to fall into that group.

GOLLY GEE
DONT FORGET THE 30 GORILLIONS

>There's not 1 person who hates Israel that doesn't also hate Jews

Fuck off. Israel is a terrorist state. If I hate ISIS do I hate arabs? That would be absurd considering I am part arab myself. Just because I hate Jewish Terrorism (Israel) doesn't mean I hate Jews. If Jews recognize the evil I have no problem with them, but they are filthy scum if they stand by while the Palestinians are genocided by Zionists.

The hypocrisy of the Jews that don't care about the holocaust happening in Israel right now against Arabs

Holocaust was just an error all along.

>It's not my fault that most Jews happen to fall into that group.

This. If less Jews wanted to massacre innocent families to steal land, it wouldn't be an issue. Most Jews see no issue with it

>over a thousand years.

You're pushing it. Most the families came in the 1400's

Prove it.

Arabs settled in Palestine in 600's. This is a fact. European Jewish zionists only arrived in 1800's and early 1900's.

The fucking crusades... Do you think they survived? You know there were whole cities guarded by Jews during the crusades?

If you think the Palestinians descend from people who just chilled there since 400 years before that you are an eternal retard

Jews always talk about others crimes but never their crimes. They don't talk about how Jews made up 50% of the NKVD or how they massacred Palestinian villages in 1948 and were planning to take all historic Palestine before Arab armies intervened.

>arabs dindu nuffin they gud boys
everytime

Crusades were only there for 100 years tops, and there was a continuous Arab serf presence on the villages and countryside throughout. They got massacred in Jerusalem but they were still there in there villages throughout Palestine.

Palestine as a whole has been mostly overwhelmingly Arab for the past 1000 years.

Even in 1947 partition plan, the territory allotted to a Jewish state had a 50% Arab population. Palestine has always been Arab.

Now fuck off you dumb kike, reading misinformed retarded comments like yours just makes me hate Jews so much more and wish hitler has eradicated all you urchins.

>I hate people who think it's okay to forcefully kill and expel other people from their land.

So...... you hate Jews? This is their history in a nut shell

>Now fuck off you dumb kike, reading misinformed retarded comments like yours just makes me hate Jews so much more and wish hitler has eradicated all you urchins.

I'm not Jewish but you do the opposite with me. I'm British that's the only reason i've researched this topic. Hearing how stupid you are make me side with the Israelis more.

Fuck off JIDF shill. What did the Palestinians do to deserve to be slaughtered and have their land stolen?

You're a Jew. You Jews lie about it all the time, everything you say strongly indicates you're a Jew, and Jews always lie and pretend they're not Jews.

Prove it then. You /pol/acks are so fucking annoying, you accuse everyone of being Jews in almost every thread go to your containment board.

Israel constantly backstabs their allies in the back while maintaining a level of influence in western bodies politic and social institution so total that questioning this arrangement gets you trotted out as a thought criminal.

There's also the existence of Israel as an explicit ethno-state to consider with regards to "anyone who hates Israel hates Jews". You either conflate Jewry with Israel or they remain separate; that kind of duplicitousness is easily visible even if nobody says anything and builds resentment in anyone who delves into the subject of Israel on anything less than sycophantic terms.

The evidence points towards you being a Jew, the evidence being your strong support for Zionism. Your claim is that you're a goy, where is the evidence that you're a goy?

>There's also the existence of Israel as an explicit ethno-state to consider with regards to "anyone who hates Israel hates Jews"

It's a Jewish supremacist states. Even neo-nazis like Richard Spencer recognize they would love to have a state like Israel. It was inspired LITERALLY by the Nazis, the early Zionists said they wanted a state like Hitler.

Jews have been the #1 terrorists in the Middle East for over 100 years, those Zionist Terrorist militas make ISIS and Hamas look friendly.

>make a zionist thread
>anyone who disagrees with me is a Jew

You sound like a 16 year old, and if you're not please blow your brains out. I don't even support Israel i've never even visited but partisan hacks on both sides are retarded. You sound like a reactionary Anti-Zionists and I think you're just as dimwitted as a reactionary Zionist

these were painful to read. why even make one of these threads if you're gonna be an edgy faggot everytime someone doesn't agree with your shitty opinions?

>European Jewish zionists only arrived in 1800's and early 1900's.

When there were already Jews living there.

>When there were already Jews living there.

No they weren't. There were a couple hundred of them, and they had been subverting the society just like the Zionist Jews who came in.

The Middle eastern jews initiated the 1929 Riots, leading the Jewish terrorism we saw.

Yeah there a few, but modern Israeli zionists came from Europe only in the 19th century

>Jews not even 1% of populatoin
>There were already Jews living there

The (((greedy rats))) who use this logic disgust me

I didn't create this thread you hooknosed moneygrabbing goblin?

>Le "I'm just a middle of the road meme but happen to support Israel on everything"

Kys kike

You probably think Lenin doesn't qualify as a Jew

isn't hating arabs also anti semetic?

Is it a no win scenario? If you support jews cucking arabs you're an anti semite, if you support arabs cucking jews you're an anti semite. If you support neither you're an anti semite.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

>Ethnically, Lenin identified as Russian. It is likely that he was unaware of his mother's Jewish ancestry, which was only discovered by his sister Anna after his death.

Where is proof he knew? I'm dead serious I hate faggots like you who think there are genetic tendencies for ethnic groups.

>but happen to support Israel on everything

fascinating, where did you pull that out of?
was it your ass?

>hooknosed moneygrabbing goblin

you need some help man. i'm serious i'm embarrassed for you.

>Semitism
Well, there's no such thing as Semitism. Antisemitism is a term made up by G*rmans so they don't have to say "kike bashing" every time they talk about their favorite subject.

>antisemitism is a word made up by germans
>jews use term antisemitism more than anyone

so they were the same the whole time

>verified Jew and everything he did was anti Christian and part of the Jewish agenda b-b-but you can't prove he willingly realised it therefore doesn't count!

It was anti-Judaism too. It's not like religious Jews were fine with being banned from practicing their religion. The fact that you ignore this shows how little you think of it.

Jews died in the Holodomor

Jewish Zionists were sent to Gulags for "promoting British Imperialism"

What about all the Yiddish poets and intellectuals who were killed and sent to Gulags?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors'_plot

What about the Doctor's Plot? Reducing an ethnic group to the ones you don't like is hypocritical.

Was Hitler a zionist before the France and the UK declared war on Germany?

"palesitnians" aren't being genocided. They're a bunch of lazy fatasses eating themselves to death

What is this supposed to prove?

That he is invested in making Israel look good and Palestine look bad. Wonder why he would be so invested emotionally to save that pic.

So those anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews hate Jews?

You're forgetting the converts to Islam, not all Palestinians are genetically Arab most I imagine are just Arabised

Zionism is anti-semitism.

Nah mate, I'm just amazed you stormniggers know as little about israel as you do about WW2.

>Palestinians don't exist but if they did, Holocaust was their idea

>Bibi is Israel
WEW

What is Zionism exactly? Genuine question, I see it thrown around quite a lot. Are Zionist just jewish supremacists? Or is there more to it the way people use it makes it sound like an ideoligy like communism or fascism

Zionism isn't a monolith. There are supremacist Zionists and there are more liberal Zionists, it's a spectrum. You have to remember that pretty much all Israelis are Zionists to some extent, and not all of them are foaming at the mouth to jump on the Likud bandwagon.

I recommend this lecture by Amos Oz where he talks about this issue.

youtube.com/watch?v=LTlSqYgQ738

And just to summarize, I'd say that Zionism is an ideology that supports the continued existence of an independent Jewish state that includes at least part of Jerusalem.

>For people who consider anything non-positive about Israel to be anti-semitic

I don't believe that, but I can see where they are coming from. The real issue is double standards. Criticising Israel is not inherently anti-Semitic, obviously, but if you're a person who has lots of criticisms of Israel (even legitimate ones), and that's the only country you focus on despite not being personally involved and/or you give a pass to the same or worse shit from others, then yes, for you it's clearly about having a problem with Jews. And that honestly describes MOST people who attack Israel.

>Are Zionist just jewish supremacists?

It's the Jewish KKK. They wanted a Jewish ethno-state on stolen land

Why are you on Veeky Forums if you're just gonna post memes? Arab-jewish relations were not always toxic, they detoriated quickly from 1919 onwards. There were many aliyahs before and jewish migration was initially seen as positive by the locals, since it gave a "dead" region a huge economic boost. Arabs and jews started to both migrate there. Things started to fall apart during the nubi musa & jaffa riots of 1921 when both sides started memeing about stupid shit like muh independence and muh immigration, when in reality both were inevitable and necessary to create a viable state (which was the end goal of the syke picot plan anyway). Both sides are clinically retarded nowadays so the memes are never going to stop anyway.

>they detoriated quickly from 1919 onwards

Maybe because of the provocation by the colonizing Zionists, ever thought of that?

also arabs/palestinians are the most racist people on the planet

Read up on those two 1921 riots first and then come back. You're clearly still shitposting without having a clue.

>any critique of jews for any reason whatsoever is bad goy
fucking jews, you rats cheats and scoundrels. you are getting cast into the lake of fire on the day of judgement and i personally hope the lord allows me to kick a few of you cunts into it myself, you world-destroying usurper zogs.
fuck the lot of you

>calling people names discredits their ideology
fuck off you hook nosed kike cunt. can't fucking wait until we're executing you by the thousands again. soon you fucking devil.

Christianity came from Judaism though.

beware the strawmanning kike ladies and gents
christ condemned your kind to death unless you repent and accept his sacrifice. christ annulled your human attempt to appease god for your sin and by denying him you're closer to satan than ever. lies, cheats, rapers, murderers, nation-wreckers, bringers of poverty death and destruction
rest assured you will be fucking punished and punished severely you fucking heretics
just about lost all my fucking patience with you scum.

>Read up on those two 1921 riots first and then come back. You're clearly still shitposting without having a clue.

You believe the Zionist sources? Those riots were provoked by the Middle Eastern Jews against the Arabs

>just about lost all my fucking patience with you scum.

You couldn't originally worship Jesus unless if you were Jewish originally. All of the early Christians for the first decades or so of Christianity's existence had to go through the Jewish process of conversion in order to fully worship Jesus. So what you said is historically wrong.

>Zionism identical to Semitism

Nothing, as Arabs are semites too.

go back to bed paul

Yup. Not until Acts 10 did they realize that Gentiles could be saved too.

Hence James the Judaizer was not a problem for the Jews, and James himself told Paul he didn't give a fuck what Paul told the Gentiles; if the Gentiles wanted to know the real story, they could go to their local synagogue.

From my point of view, Christianity is perfected Judaism.

>muh joo sources
Both riots were reported internationally by non-israeli press. There are plenty of non-jewish sources about the topic. Including the brit Palin commission charged to investigate the fuckery that occurred.

Or are these jewish sources too?

you strawmanning like fuckhead. i will personally gas you myself. come to scotland and get in my gas chamber cunthead. you deserve death and nothing less

Attention braindead leftists: if Jews reclaiming their territory from a period of foreign occupation is wrong, than so is the Reconquista.

By your own logic, Spaniards should give Spain back to the Arabs, because they lived there for a couple centuries.

Why do you JIDF shills try so hard to play apologetics for Israel? Why are you okay with Apartheid? It wasn't okay when South Africa did it and it's not okay now.

Chomsky said it best

>“In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid,” Chomsky says, according to Days of Palestine. “To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by ‘apartheid’ you mean South African-style apartheid.

>“What is happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There is a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce…

>“The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just do not want them. They want them out, or at least in prison.”

>if Jews reclaiming their territory from a period of foreign occupation is wrong

It's not their territory. The European Israelis don't have any link the land. The Palestinians on the other hand have been there for over a thousand years.

I am protestant

you're a lying kike rat is what you are. now fuck off and back to your synagogue of satan you son of the devil. you will be torn limb from limb and all your ancestors and family cast into eternal hellfire you scum

Jews are Jews. Israel had been Jewish land since essentially all of human history, going back to before the bronze age. Roman-Arab occupation is a blip on the radar.

Considering Palestinians are the only real Semites in Israel, it's Anti-Semitism to support Israel. They are displacing indigenous Semites and replacing it with Europeans.

The synagogue of satan isn't Jew only.

It's all lost unbelievers.

Like you.

Satan isn't real

>when Christians still believe Satan is an actual being and not the inclination to turn your back on G-d

this is why (((we))) don't take you serious

This is just plain wrong. Please tell me you don't actually believe this. Have you even read the bible?

idk that's what I heard jews thought about the devil

And who do you think is selling them the food? (((Oh yeah)))

You know what I'm sayin

>gets btfo on x event
>immediately bait n switch topic
everytime

>muh apartheid
dindus couldnt vote or stand for public office in SA. The knesset has an anti-israeli party, israel has a 20% muslim population with full citizenship and they are not discriminated against politically or economically. You're just a memelord.

>muh occupied territories
Another buzzword. The territories are uncontested thanks to the constant chain of arab-israeli conflicts. Nobody owns these territories, and while qhat Usrael is doing with creating communities there is technically illegal, it's not an apartheid. Nobody has "rights" in those zones, the IDF is just able to create the appearance of it due to protection - something the palestinians and their shit-tier allies cannot provide at the same standard.

>muh chomsky
Who cares what this man has to say? His field is linguistics, not politics. He's a glorified pundit who's obviously fallen for the leftwing zionology meme.Since when /pol/ likes chomsky anyway?

>muh JIDF
topkek, you just have no idea

Fuck off. The Zionists air porn after occupying their land to corrupt them. They also make sure they have super unhealthy food. It's insulting to the grievances caused by Israel to just say "oh they eat so they are fine."

No group has it harder then the Palestinians do right now. All because some Europeans wanted to colonize Palestinian land. It's sickening that the west backs it.

>eternal hellfire
Habibi detected

>Who cares what this man has to say? His field is linguistics, not politics.

strawman

>dindus couldnt vote or stand for public office in SA. The knesset has an anti-israeli party, israel has a 20% muslim population with full citizenship and they are not discriminated against politically or economically. You're just a memelord.

Palestinians in the west bank have none of those rights. Just look at Abby Martin's videos on Israel the Apartheid is overall worse than SA because they care way less of the Gazans and others than they did during SA Apartheid.

>The Jews hate us and want to genocide us
>We'll still buy food from them
>In fact so much food we are becoming fat

Have you heard yourself?

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince people he was not real.

--Keyser Soyze

it's not a strawman you faggot, you're making an appeal to authority. Chomsky's expertise is linguistics, not politics. Git gud at the fallacy game.

>muh west bank
Not gonna argue the Israelis are perfect, I've already said building settlements in contested land was most likely illegal ( which is what the entire international scene is debating over since '67). Anyone who compares population settlements in contested zones an apartheid is an ahistorical twat who's never read anything about SA.

And what do you propose exactly? It's even like there is a definite palestinian government anymore. Fatah and the NPA have been ejected out of the gaza strip, which has been Hamas' base since, so now it looks more and more like a 3-state solution than the old 2-state solution. There is literally no one serious Israel can negotiate with. Sort your shit out first before crying about muh ebil joos.

When you turn your back on God, you're on Team Satan.

There's only two spiritual fathers to choose from. And you by default were born to Team Satan.

You have to switch teams.

>two spiritual fathers
So you're a dualist? That's heretical as fuck famalam. I hope your local pastor doesn't see this shit smdh tbqhwy