World War One: what is Veeky Forums opinion on it?

No it's not the equivalent of that you dumb fuck

Germany pledged to support Austria whatever they chose to do with Serbia, it's a blank check

OP here. This.
>Germany helping its neighbor
> Time to get back AL in a fight that is happening on the other end of the continent
Yes they are the same thing

>>Austrian officials discover ties between Serbian government and Black Hand
>>Austria sends warning to Serbia
>>Russia gets mad at Austria for retaliating against Serbia

Mischaracterization. Russia urged Serbia to back the fuck down and do whatever Austria asked- because they did not want a war and were not ready for one. This is why Serbia agreed to 90% of Austria's demands (even blatantly unreasonable ones like "arrest every notable newspaper distributors who says something bad about Austria") and only requested that the tenth demand be taken to the Hague. Germany (or rather Jagow, Moltke, and Hollweg) then intentionally exacerbated the situation by urging Austria towards war and writing them a blank check, even though Willy himself outright admitted that the Serbian response was entirely reasonable. What Russia could not accept was Serbia being extinguished from the Earth due to the actions of extremists. It was Austria that would not accept any compromise or mediation less than the complete subjugation of Serbia.

Willy is the true bad guy of WW1

>Fires Bismark the greatest living leader of the time.
>Does aggressive bullshit to compensate for his noodle arm.
>Thinks he can make military decisions cause 'muh royal honor'
>Allows the invasion of a completely neutral country.
>Fucks up cause he used a decades old strategy with modern technology.
>Treaty of Versailles happens cause of his dumb ass, limp dick 'i want to show up my cousins' bullshit.
>blamethefrench.exe
>Runs of to some Danish cabin and hides there while Germany gets flushed down the shitter.

Wrong post?
It kind of is. Plus you claimed Germany pushed for a war, whereas now you are saying that they said do whatever the hell you want, we're here for you bud .

Fair enough. Russia should have fucked off. Though

>Fires Bismark
Totally justified under the circumstances
>Does aggressive bullshit to compensate for his noodle arm
Willy's attitudes towards Germany's position on the world stage not being congruous to the nation's growing power & importance were pretty common, though he was prone to fits of extravagance.
>Thinks he can make military decisions cause 'muh royal honor'
He could, for one he had a martial education and more importantly like the President is COMMANDER AND CHIEF of the armed forces, the Kaiser was the supreme leader of the German army. He hardly meddled with his professional military staff during the war anyway.
>Allows the invasion of a completely neutral country
There was no alternative plan. It's not as if he drew up the plan in the first place. The invasion of Belgium was essentially unavoidable once war was decided upon.
>Fucks up cause he used a decades old strategy with modern technology.
I don't know where you're getting the idea that Wilhelm was personally responsible for the unique combination of strategic & technological development that made WW1 a war of attrition. Regardless it makes you look retarded to even suggest the idea.

All in all bad post, my dude.

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>Fires Bismark
>Totally justified

To be fair, near the end of his life Bismark was going senile and wasn't the statesmen that he was when he united Germany. The rest is true though. It fucking amazes me how Willy managed to piss off so many powers in such a short time after Bismark spent a good portion of his time as chancellor of the German Empire just establishing and stabilizing relations.

Do you have even the slightest idea of the events surrounding Bismarck's resignation?

hmm...

What the fuck was Frances problem?
Were they still butthurt over being BTFO'd by the Germans?
What the fuck was Britain thinking?
>OI m8 them Jerrys are using our meme border thing to beat up the french our greatest rival!
>BLOODY HELL THROW EVERY MILITARY AGE MAN INTO THE MEAT GRINDER
>GREAT IDEA AND WE WILL GET AMERICA INVOLVED BY FIBBING ABOUT OUR CIVILIAN SHIP HOLDING SMALL ARMS MUNITIONS

Germany literally declared war on France and invaded them, what the fuck were they supposed to do? Die?

France did not help by being a butthurt faggots after the franco prussian war

There wasn't really anything good about WWI, and the only vilians being beurocracy, an untimely vacation, and a quagmire of forgien legal matters interfering with a murder investigation that was the July crisis.

France did literally nothing wrong in the lead-up to WW1. They even were willing to forgive a German patrol invading one of their villages and killing two soldiers even though that would've been the perfect excuse. It was entirely Germany's fault, their psychotic pre-war thinking literally required them to invade France if they get into a major war with anyone else.

I believe he took the most untimely vacation in history during the events leading up to the war.

Irelephant. Bismark made Germany - the Kaiser should have understood he was working for Bismark.

>historical fact is irrelevant because i'd rather hero worship

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Fact is unimportant - only myth.

LMAO cry more faggot

You do remember that the "allies" or """""Good goys""""" i mean guys lost in the end as well correct?

>Germany invades Belgium to avoid France
>Britain uses as excuse to attack Germany

Your thread is stupid and you're stupid.

>The treaty was a fundamental "lawmaking" treaty that became a cornerstone of European international law; it was especially important in the events leading up to World War I.[9] On July 31st 1914, the mobilisation of the Belgian Army was ordered, and the Belgian King at the same time called publicly Europe´s attention to the fact that Germany, Great Britain and France were solemnly bound to respect and to defend the neutrality of his country.[10] When the German Empire invaded Belgium in August 1914 in violation of the treaty, the British declared war on 4 August.[11][12] Informed by the British ambassador that Britain would go to war with Germany over the latter's violation of Belgian neutrality, German Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg exclaimed that he could not believe that Britain and Germany would be going to war over a mere 'scrap of paper'.

What do you mean? Germany capitulated and was divided between them

>Who were the good guys in WW1
The one that tried to prevent it.

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No one really wanted war apart from Germany as they had enough land already or were in the process of modernising their army
But you can't blame the whole nation so I put it on Kaiser Wilhelm II for dismissing Bismarck and not filling his cabinet with replacements, but also Konrad Von hotzendorf for trusting the eternal Teuton

So everyone apart from Germany?

Germany and Austria.

Note: not Austria-Hungary. The Hungarian half of the dual kingdom was against the war. And the other parts of the empire didn't exactly get a say.

Not Germany did push for it. It wasn't chanting and telling someone to fight, it was the equivalent of two 3rd graders fighting when one kid's dad show up to kick the other kid's ass.
Germany basically went
>you know, if you start a World War we would like totally have your back bro, don't even sweat the repurcussions for a second

My point was Bismarck was one of the good guys too.
See: sad Bismarck Wojack

They were protector of slavs

"bill, whatever you do i'll support you with my dad's pistol" and "fight, fight, fight!" Are two entirely different things.

If Belgium didn't exist, I bet WW1 would have never happened. it would have just been a pissing contest b/w Serbia and Austria.

???
Belgium was collateral. If anything, without Begium it was going to be a second, much longer Franco-Prussian War.

Don't know who was good but austria was definitely bad maybe turkey too but idk history is written by the winners

The common soldiers were the good guys. Also the Nurses, because everyone likes some cute girls that save their life just after they escaped the trenches.

>Belgium, we want to use all your railroads, roads and towns to invade France.

>No

>OK I SEE HOW IT IS YOU'VE DONE IT NOW LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO ACTUALLY NOW THAT WE'RE HERE LETS USE BELGIAN WORKERS FORCEFULLY TO MAKE SHELLS ALSO LETS RAPE THIS CHEAP FRANCOPHILE COUNTRY

Good guys.

Basically all the major powers were full of hubris and itching to thump the other guy to show how naughty they were behaving. None of them really had any claim to moral superiority.

- Austria-Hungary was an arrogant out-of-touch bully.
- Germany was an aggressive twat, with big muscles it just discovered coming out of puberty, but self-conscious about its little knob.
- France was arrogant on its high perch, and terrified of its eastern neighbours.
- Great Britain played it cooler, but was very concerned about its empire remaining the most (((profita)))-- I mean, strongest.
- Russia was mentally unstable, but wouldn't say no to sticking its fingers in the sweet delicious Polish virgin slits if it could.
- Italy was like that kid in class whose had a growth spurt and so looks big, but is still truly an immature weakling. Just wants to be the winners.
- every other combatant were either opportunists or gravitationally sucked in. This includes the US.

On the nation level, there aren't really any heroes.

DAILY REMINDER:
>100,000 Jews fought in a German uniform during World War I (making it the largest in number and in % minority group to fight for Germany)
>12,000 Jews gave their life for Germany during World War I
>18,000 Jews were awarded the Iron Cross during World War I
Who suffered the real stab in the back?

I never got how Austriohungarian empire fucked up so badly in the war.Also France was absolutely decimated, with a lot of men dead or maimed, meaning no suffiecient labour force, meaning France had to import men from their colonies, leading to the first black movements.

It is in fact fascinating how France almost got diplomatically isolated after occupying the Rhine to force the now dismantled german empire to pay their debts, which they never did, only a small portion was repaid.The only winners of ww1 were the US and the British Empire.The rest got absolutely ravaged, with 4 empires being dismantled (Ottoman,Austrohungarian,russian and german),and thus the first traces of decolonization can be spotted.

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Unironically Gernanys fault to a large degree.

>Austria sends warning to Serbia

How ignorant are you?

They sent the following ultimatum to Serbia and demanded that it be fully accepted within 48 hours.

1.Suppress all publications which "incite hatred and contempt of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy" and are "directed against its territorial integrity".

2.Dissolve the Serbian nationalist organisation Narodna Odbrana ("The People's Defense") and all other such societies in Serbia.

3.Eliminate without delay from schoolbooks and public documents all "propaganda against Austria-Hungary".

4.Remove from the Serbian military and civil administration all officers and functionaries whose names the Austro-Hungarian Government will provide.

5.Accept in Serbia "representatives of the Austro-Hungarian Government" for the "suppression of subversive movements".

6.Bring to trial all accessories to the Archduke's assassination and allow "Austro-Hungarian delegates" (law enforcement officers) to take part in the investigations.

7.Arrest Major Vojislav Tankosić and civil servant Milan Ciganović who were named as participants in the assassination plot.

8.Cease the cooperation of the Serbian authorities in the "traffic in arms and explosives across the frontier"; dismiss and punish the officials of Šabac and Loznica frontier service, "guilty of having assisted the perpetrators of the Sarajevo crime".

9.Provide "explanations" to the Austro-Hungarian Government regarding "Serbian officials" who have expressed themselves in interviews "in terms of hostility to the Austro-Hungarian Government".

10. Notify the Austro-Hungarian Government "without delay" of the execution of the measures comprised in the ultimatum.

Bear in mind that this is all because of a terrorist attack

Serbia was literally willing to accept all but 6. however Austria with German pressure refused this and knocked back all attempts at mediation or holding a summit to prevent war and invaded Serbia anyway.

What does these three parentheses mean?

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>Wojack
Oh, you shouldnt be here.

Anyone who posts "who were the good guys" on Veeky Forums needs an automatic ban.

Man, when people are the part of bad history, they are bad guys. It is not cool.

would the world be better if Germany had won?

>It's a "wehraboo desperately tries to defend the decisions of the Germans" thread

>German Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg exclaimed that he could not believe that Britain and Germany would be going to war over a mere 'scrap of paper'.

I think this sums up the German attitude in general. They liked to go on about how similar they were to the British, but fundamentally didn't understand the concept of honour.

I'm not saying that the British were honourable, they did a lot of shit too, but I think it's the big difference between the two.

They're an effective way of knowing that a person is talking shit. If you see them in a post, you can stop reading in good conscience.

it was a stupid fucking war that should never have happened, and certainly shouldn't have progressed beyond austro-hungary vs. serbia.

take note lads, this is what happens with globalism: hundreds of millions of people split up into two groups based on alliances drawn up by people who are confident that they'll never have to handle a gun, and before you know it untold british, germans, french, italians and russians end up face down in the mud because a serbian shot an austrian. and that's without counting the colonials

Nope. Probably the commies take control in France too.

Source?

Also, the public censorship of anything that could be viewed as anti KuK was a big issue. King Peter completely stopped any and all government meddling in the press when he came to power in 1903, and was a big fan of liberalism, minimal government and is the translator of the works of John Locke to Serbian.
Might i add at the trial all of the accused members of Young Bosnia proclaimed that they were anarchists, and when confronted about some of them exclaiming the name of King Peter, they stated that a Monarch and King Peter are two completely different things.

>tfw if Ol' Willy didn't have a shriveled fucking arm that he was constantly self-conscious about WWI might have been averted

Most of Austria didn't want war
Hell they hated the german Alliance as it meant they would be separated from their fellow Germans at least until this cripple died
>Bismarck
>good guy
>a Prussian ever being good
Dude stopped France becoming a constitutional monarchy, and put Germany in the position where it didn't necessarily have to keep alliances to win, hence why they don't renew the pact of the three emperors
Also he didn't recreate Poland

Britain would have stayed out but financed the French.
Germany would have still been autistic and turned a diplomatic dispute into fighting two great powers

>Austria was bad
Franz Josef was barely convinced to go to war, how can you not blame Germany and Wilhelm in particular
Also ottomans are bad simply for Armenian and Greek genocides, and for not genociding themselves
B-b-but he had such a cool moustache how could he be evil

>Germany invades Belgium to avoid France
wot

You do remember that the Sun, the so called "source of warmth and illumination that enables organic life" eventually had his avatar of flame destroyed by The Jordanite Confederacy in the fourth Space Jam conflict, causing him to lose most of his power and be enslaved by the Jews and their dreaded solar harness. You know this, correct?

1918 Socialist revolution.

Sins of the few affect the many.

volksbund.de/volksbund-volkstrauertag/deutsche-juedische-soldaten.html

It wasn't add opportunity, it was the LAST opportunity. Within a few years, Russia would have industrialized to the point that it would be able to completely dominate all of Eastern Europe. Germany had to strike quickly, or become a permanent second fiddle

>yfw you will never be a prince of the trenches
I just wanna appear outta the fog one morning and brain some british nigger with a shovel
is that too much to ask

I thought it was austria that wanted to use the assassination as an excuse to remove the serbian thorn in their sides, and that they made that ultimatum (without telling germany about it) specifically so that the serbians would deny it and they could declare war?
Not a werhaboo pls don't bully

They could have openly stated that they weren't going to enable Russian dick measuring in the Balkans instead is being overly coy faggots

it was easier for the main german thrust to go through belgium than it would have been for it to go through france

jesus christ how self conscious were those fucks

>psychotic pre-war thinking
not a wehraboo but the schlieffen plan was really their only option if they had to fight france and russia at the same time

The ultimatum was designed so that the serbians wouldn't agree to it so the austrians could use that as a reason to declare war
don't know why they beat around the bush and just declared war on them though, not like they were gonna lose any allies over it

The problem was that they assumed that any fight with another major power would be a full on total war with France. That more than anything else made a world war completely unavoidable.

>The ultimatum was designed so that the serbians wouldn't agree to it so the austrians could use that as a reason to declare war
yeah that was pretty much my understanding of it, I've never actually read the conditions offered though, I just remember them being referred to as "built to be rejected." those are absolutely bananas though. they might as well have just said "serbia is now a part of the AH empire and nobody is allowed to be upset about it."

>don't know why they beat around the bush and just declared war on them though, not like they were gonna lose any allies over it
total speculation here, but my guess would be that doing it that way may gain favor with neutral states? like, AH is able to say "WE OFFERED THEM PEACE BUT THEY REJECTED IT"

Italy is the reason. Austria wanted to at least make a token effort at appearing not to be the aggressor, because the third member of their triple alliance was going to use any excuse possible to pull out of it. Which happened anyway.

>sends lenin to russia

>gain favor with neutral states
I can see that, but the ultimatum seems so heavy handed that I seriously doubt they could use that argument
not like the italians really mattered, anyways

Maybe like keep that alliance with Russia

>not like the italians really mattered, anyways

Austria-Hungary suffered millions of casualties fighting the Italians and the Italians are who ultimately killed their country.

Serbia accepts all but one term
That Austrian investigators work in Serbia
This was rejected as it basically meant Serbia was not independent

>their only option
You do know they just made the french army quicker to deploy as a result of the Franco Prussian war
That's it

>tfw your cunt's army was so shit in ww1 they suffered millions of casualties fighting italians

>pan-slavism was dick measuring
Really made me think user
What did they do in the Franco Prussian war

>British nigger

sorry, let me rephrase that
some random white british nigger

>this is your brain on DICE
ftfy

Assuming before they sent a certain troublemaker to Russia, yes. Without a doubt.

How much of a fucking Wehraboo can one be? This is practically parody.