Is the influence of the Communist Party in the Weimar Republic under discussed?

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>Economic hardship allowed for the rise of extremist ideologies, foremost among them communism.
Foremost against them was Nazism, Thalman rose indeed, but he was not that much of a rocket as Hitler was.

*foremost among

the NSDAP was founded 2 years after the Communist Party of Germany

Isn't the big thing about fascism is that it's supposed to be for reactionaries, not revolutionaries?

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Nope, the Reds pretty much get a clean pass in the history of the rise of Hitler. All the blame for the instability that lead to his ascension is placed on the Freikorps and the reactionary right.

As to why this is, partly because of the general demonisation of Hitler and the Nazis, partly because of the strong communist sympathies among the elite of France, the UK and the USA.

It was both reactionary and revolutionary, a potent mix. It didn't just want to return to "the good old days" as reactionary movements typically do, it wanted a revolutionary "national rebirth".

Equating it to communism is typical of libertarians, who have a grossly distorted view of politics, but any serious academic would laugh at the notion.

Guess I went to a different school than you did.
SPD and Zentrum were the good guys in the story they told us. KPD, NSDAP and DNVP were the bad guys

Founded yes. But up until the Great deppression they were not that relevant.

See Federal elections in 1928 and 1930

I feel that, at most, the communist party served as an adversary for the Nazi party, fueling their marginal support pre-great depression by anti-communist workers. The Great Depression allowed them to achieve more widespread support, but by scapegoating the terrible economic conditions on the treaty of Versailles, the Jews, and liberals/socialists.

Yes Hitler described himself as a "revolutionary against revolutionaries."

He was clearly referring to early members like Rohm and Strasser.

Had Hitler failed to come to power it's very likely the commies would have, and then we'd all be talking about the Nazis weren't really a menace, they just provided an enemy for the commies to rally against. The fact is, when a society is as unstable and politically polarized as Germany was, it's more likely than not that the government will collapse.

I wouldn't doubt that the communists could have come to power instead of the Nazis, but in our timeline they were competing for the same disaffected voters the Nazis were. Plus, the whole sentiment of 'the liberals/socialists/Jews stabbed Germany in the back during the war' was strong among the working class, so I'd imagine a lot of them were more willing to support the Nazis as a vehicle for their political discontent than the Communists.

>where strasser failed in national socialism, stalin succeeded in socialism in one country

(((communist)))

It's a lot like America today, with the Trumpists and the SJWs, seemingly at opposite ends of a spectrum, each using the other as a boogeyman to motivate their core supporters. There's some cross-over, like with the white working class who could vote either way, but for the most part they draw their support from different classes entirely. the Nazis drew upon the middle class and the "educated" working class, while the Gommies appealed to the upper middle class and the working poor. There was some crossover, as for example veterans of WW1, who were more likely to vote Hitler than Gommie despite being otherwise prime Gommie material, but by the 1930's the two camps were pretty firmly established and didn't directly compete for voters as such, but rather more directly for power over institutions and thru paramilitary strength.

sure, but the Commies were active way before them is what i am saying

Correct and they were put down. Nazis were not reaction to communism, but to the Great depression.

Seems more to me that the Great Depression was conducive to the Fascist-Marxist coming to a head.
I mean shit, a whole attempted revolution and an arson attempt isn't ignored.

Literally no element of fascism is taken from Marxism

Here you go, friends.

NSDAP rise to power is made possible by reactions to communism and socialism.

>Roots in Freikorps, which fought against the Spartacist uprisings
>Supported by bankers, industrialists, and military/political old guard, who wanted to use them against the left

Mind you, the NSDAP was initially something of a socialist party, but that changed when it took on new leadership, and sought to ingratiate itself with the mainstream right. Any socialist/communist elements in the party were purged once the NSDAP became a legitimate governing party in the Night of Long Knives.

>Zentrum
>good guys
>supporting the Enabling Act

This. The KPD was controlled from Moscow, and Stalin was, as it happens, a retard. He realized his mistake after the Nazi takeover of Germany, and the Comintern moved towards supporting "popular fronts" with liberals and social democrats against fascism...only to end the policy of anti-fascism after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, something which alienated a lot of Western communists. Read up on the rise and fall of the CPUSA--they were influential in the 1930s but lost much of their support after 1939 and nearly all of it after 1956.