So what are the theories on how the American Civil War would have turned out if France, England...

So what are the theories on how the American Civil War would have turned out if France, England, and Russia had gotten involved?
Could the confederacy have secured independence with British and French aid? Or would Russia have balanced out the scales of power?

What gain would this give thise nations
And if france did join up it would probably be with the union

>What gain would this give thise nations

A source of cotton and a market for industrial goods.

>And if france did join up it would probably be with the union

Kek no. Only reason France did not jump in on the confederacy's side is that they were concerned about what Britain might do while they're distracted.

There's also a common belief that if England had become allied to the South, it would have only made things worse for the south.

First, a big tactic the South used to inspire recruits was Revolutionary War rhetoric. They were fighting against "tyranny" just like George Washington fought against the British, and it was a natural part of their culture. So joining with the British would have made them question their loyalties.

Also it would have made the North fight that much harder. As it was the North was only half interested in fighting the South. The reason it took so long to crush them is because of this disinterest, and the Brits getting involved would have caused recruitment and spending to skyrocket.

There were politicians in the North who actively promoted the idea of Britain joining the South just for this purpose.

Also I don't think Russia would have been in much of a position to do anything.

Lincoln shouldve Accepted King Mongkut's offer of Battle Elephants.

Well France and England were both planning to aid the confederacy and tried to get Russia in on it, then Russia told the Union about it and sent their entire fleet to the United states with orders to fall under American command in the event of war, then told France and England if they aided the confederacy they were assisting the union.

No, France was worried about Mexico. On the surface they were sympathetic to the South, but only because they served a useful buffer preventing U.S. intervention in the Franco-Mexican War.

Likely would not have made a difference. Gettysburg demonstrated well that a protracted invasion of the North wasn't feasible. As long as the Union could maintain a blockade of Southern ports, the difference would have made a stalemate at best.

Well that's sort of the issue, isn't it? The Union navy would be resting on the bottom of the sea in no time.

But a stalemate would allow the south to remain independence.

Can't get French or British aid with a motherfucking blockade.

Russia stationed its Pacific fleet in San Francisco anticipating British entry into the war.

It would have been unpopular for France and England to support the South, which is why they didn't. Might have provoked unrest in those countries and maybe even rebellion, which is one of the reasons why they didn't get involved. Russia had just emancipated the Serfs around when the Civil War started. Can't see them outright supporting a State that was based around Chattel Slavery.

In short, this question is dumb or pointless because no one was going to support the South because the very reason for the South's secession was socially unacceptable at that time. Like really socially unacceptable giving the proximity to abolitionists movements in Europe and the American Civil War. Plus Indian cotton.

hannibal pls

>The Union navy would be resting on the bottom of the sea in no time.
That's a pretty big jump. You really think that France or especially Britain would dispatch enough ships to neutralize the Union Navy - possibly endangering their respective control over European, African, and Asian waters? The 19th Century Empires were run by bean-counters, not war-makers. They had bigger fish to fry desu, and the shipyards in the North could arguably have compensated for losses.

Slavery was also a big problem from France. Napoleon the Third was very clear about this with confederate agents in France.

USA + Russia + Prussia
vs
CSA + France + UK

The abolitionist movement was far stronger in the UK than it was in the North. British soldiers that landed in the South would likely mutiny. Supporting the South became political suicide in Europe after Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation and made the war very explicitly about slavery.

The war was already about slavery. EP made the north explicitly abolitionist.

Soldiers really don't give a shit about all this ideological horseshit.

Intervention could have come before ep, or union could have not gotten the decisive victories needed to give the ep with any air of actual authority