/pol/ has been fucking with my head. I come from a Jewish family and I sincerely don't want to be a holocaust denier...

/pol/ isn't one person, and a good chunk of it is libertarians, so not everyone likes Hitler

Hitler's War by David Irving

listen kid
arguing on the internet with polfags is useless
they will never change their opinion
and you dont know enough to change their opinion

try to drift away from the retarded american view of holocaust=gassing jews

that was one part, mass killings, worked to death, starvation and all you can think of basicly happened to them
just take a visit to a local library and ask about it, theyll help you, its dry, its not very interesting for a youngster and certainly takes alot more time than scanning through a retarded pol infograph

>set back nationalism and right wing ideology for decades

This meme is the worst, it isn't the Hollywood machine controlled by Jews or the Jewish owned newspapers that has attacked any right wing attempts as salvation of their nations (of course you forget (or are rather ignorant of) prominent Jewish newspaper owners such as Annenberg who worked hard to undermine McCarthy, but rather the right wing themselves who are to blame. You're like a vicious husband who punches his wife anytime she stands for herself, only to blame her for her bruises.

Most of it is wrong.
>on top of this (the hyperinflation) came a global depression
The Great Depression came in 1939, hyperinflation in Germany ended in 1924.

>Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international (mainly Jewish) bankers until 1933
The stopped paying in 1931, not in 1933 (Hoover Moratorium). I recommend to read a bit about Daves and Young Plans. The Western Powers were actually interested in helping German economy.

>at that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money
These "money" were promissory notes allowing Germany to rearm and hide their growing inflation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills

Refugees welcome stop being intolerant

>freedom for me but not for thee

Thanks

I'll look into that

What about the rest of the screencap?

>I come from a Jewish family and I sincerely don't want to be a holocaust denier.

this is such a LARP. you're not jewish

>try to drift away from the retarded american view of holocaust=gassing jews

>that was one part, mass killings, worked to death, starvation and all you can think of basicly happened to them
just take a visit to a local library and ask about it, theyll help you, its dry, its not very interesting for a youngster and certainly takes alot more time than scanning through a retarded pol infograph

This eternally. I've seen /pol/acks try to calculate how long it would take to gas 6 million Jews when all it shows you is that they haven't even read a book about it.

>Venezuela does the same thing today when it trades oil for commodities, plus medical help and so on. Hencethe bankers are trying to squeeze Venezuela

Heh, great example.

businessinsider.com/venezuelas-inflation-rates-highest-in-the-world-food-prices-sky-high-2016-8?IR=T

Also:

>During the economic crisis of 1935–36, Schacht, together with the Price Commissioner Dr. Carl Friedrich Goerdeler, helped lead the "free-market" faction in the German government. They urged Hitler to reduce military spending, turn away from autarkic and protectionist policies, and reduce state control in the economy. Schacht and Goerdeler were opposed by a faction centering on Hermann Göring.[13]

>In November 1937 he resigned as Minister of Economics and General Plenipotentiary at both his and Göring's request. He had grown increasingly dissatisfied with Göring's near-total ignorance of economics, and was also concerned that Germany was coming close to bankruptcy. Hitler, however, knew that Schacht's departure would raise eyebrows outside Germany, and insisted that he remain in the cabinet as minister without portfolio.

Remember, this is the guy responsible for this economic "miracle".

No it isn't. How did he not set Nationalism back? All people do is call others Nazis. It's the best way to have your whole lifes work discredited.

>inb4 BUT MUHH KIKE MEDIA IS WHY PEOPLE HATE HITLER

No it's not. Hitler ruined any hope of some European ethno-state because all they will do is call you Hitler. Just like how most Communist movements ruined the prospect of Socialism.

To argue otherwise shows how retarded you are.

So was it possible at all for Hitler to keep this kind of economy going without starting a war?

Is there any validity for him wanting to break away these shady international bankers/jews/illuminati/generic shady group?

THIS.

Because Nationalism and National Socialism are not exactly the same, now tell me, did the USSR set socialism back, or rather is it the enemies of socialism who misuse it as an example to blame?
>Hitler ruined any hope of a European ethnostate
No, Europeans ruined it. Had Hitler won none of this would have happened.

>Because Nationalism and National Socialism

Neither is communism and socialism.

But they still made it so most of these movements are immediately discredited.

>Had Hitler won none of this would have happened.

>implying it's not Hitler's fault he lost

No, I'd sooner blame the Japanese for lacking the foresight to renege on their treaty with the Russians instead of the KMT, had they spent half of the forces they wasted on th Chinese on the Soviets it would have diverted enough forces to salvage the Eastern Front, Stalin himself was willing to let Hitler have Eastern Europe but the Soviets began to be increaingly successful post-Kursk. And German chauvinism didn't help either, nor did the fairweather allies Germany had.

It wasn't. That's why they changed the policy in 1936. They were preparing for the upcoming war.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Year_Plan

>Is there any validity for him wanting to break away these shady international bankers/jews/illuminati/generic shady group?
It was mostly propaganda. But many Nazis actually believed it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Feder

>Feder briefly dominated the NSDAP's official views on financial politics, but after he became chairman of the party's economic council in 1931, his anti-capitalist views led to a great decline in financial support from Germany's major industrialists. Following pressure from Walther Funk, Albert Voegler, Gustav Krupp, Friedrich Flick, Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Schacht and Emil Kirdorf, Hitler decided to move the party away from Feder's economic views; when Hitler became Reichskanzler in 1933, he appointed Feder as under-secretary at the ministry of economics in July.

Imagine whatever country it is that you're from.
Imagine a group of dindus declaring war on it, before you and your parents were born, and yet somehow everyone's still butthurt about its very existence and whenever you agree to something mutually beneficial people who are even more butthurt than you ruin it for everyone.
How long before people stop giving a toss?

Hitler specifically said if he lost the war the fault was entirely to blame on the German people for not fighting hard enough.

So what ever truth there was to the conspiracy was milked to break away from what exactly?

This is where the confusion stems for me, people who support NatSoc and what Hitler did say that it was to free Germany from the penalties imposed on it from the Treaty of Versailles while other people say that it was just a power play to have Germany completely under his thumb

I just feel like there's a factor missing here

The only real conspiracy was the Nazi one.

>Hitler did say that it was to free Germany from the penalties imposed on it from the Treaty of Versailles
Hitler had few goals: to destroy Marxism, get rid off Jews from Europe and create Lebensraum for German people.
War was simply necessary, even if he lied that he is a man of peace.

Thanks for clearing that up

His methods were questionable but I have to say, his and Germany's vilification has gotten a bit too far nowadays

At least thats what I think, I try to put myself in the shoes of the average German during those days

I disagree. Nowadays Hitler is a product of pop-culture. All this Nazi demonization made them "cooler" than they really were.

>At least thats what I think, I try to put myself in the shoes of the average German during those days
Have any dissent opinion and you will be killed or sent to prison

Just don't go on /pol/, dude, Jesus. Nothing intelligent happens over there anyway. It's just the local zoo.

He's the answer to what's mainstream nowadays

When everyone is going hard left, if you want to be punk you gotta go hard right and not the centrist-neocon "right"

It's just history repeating itself again except I've got no idea how the world is going to look after all this shit blows over

I imagine that this would be the case, especially as the war dragged on and that it became more and more evident that Germany was going to lose

If the shit you see on /pol/ doesn't cite any sources, ignore it. If it does cite a source, Google it and you will see loads of counter arguments.

The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering is a 2000 book by Norman G. Finkelstein, in which Finkelstein argues that the American Jewish establishment exploits the memory of the Nazi Holocaust for political and financial gain, as well as to further the interests of Israel.[1] According to Finkelstein, this "Holocaust industry" has corrupted Jewish culture and the authentic memory of the Holocaust.

Im ready to be convonced either way.
So to burn a body to ash takes hours in a high grade modern industrial cremator. Doing some loose calc: 600000/2000days = 300 persons burned to ash per day. 5 persons per day per oven means 60 high grade industrial ovens working 24h/day. Either that or there should be 100s of 1000s of skellingtons burried somewhere.
Where is the flaw in my logic?

>levelling a village with hellfire missiles.

>100s of 1000s

start digging in ukraine

they shot them or bashed in their heads as well and buried them in mass graves, you'd be suprised how many people can be buried in a relatively small hole.

Modern crematoria works differently. They usually burn the body with a coffin and clean everything afterwards. According to the constructors of Nazi ovens 20-30 minutes were enough for one body (but because most victims were people dying from starvation, women or children usually more bodies were burned at once (2-4).
Afterwards the remnants (such as bones) were manually crushed by members of Sonderkommando.

>believing nazis instead of eyewitness jewish accounts

Thats not how history works

>when the jew needs the goyim to remind him of the 6 gorillions
lyl

How about Hitlers mom being a maid for the home of the Zionistic Rotschilds? This just asks for a conspiracy.

From the writtings of Hobsbawm I'd say that the holohoax DEFINITELLY happened, but the 6 gigabillion chosen ones number was absurdly inflated by zionists. At most a third of this number actually were killed by the nazis.

I hate Jews anyway; a shame the nazis didn't kill them all.

>I hate Jews anyway; a shame the nazis didn't kill them all.
Who would we have to blame everything on, then?

>Venesuela

Wrong it's because the OAPEC keeps selling under value forcing the othet members to do the same.

He had millions murdered and he planned on murdering, enslaving or deporting even more. Too far, my ass.

Literally a meme book

Or when the US government then asked for help from the American Zionist party and they only agreed on the condition that they'd get Israel. And now you know why the Zionist Hitler Rotschild started WWII, unless you believe the golden warrior propaganda, but i just follow the money.

>who then?
The Eternal Hibernian

It was not close to 6 million that were gassed.

A lot of Jews and political opponents died on the streets when the NSdAP took over.

At first, they tried killing the jews by putting them in a closed truck and relocating the co2 back inside. It took hoirs for them to die and they screamed, too traumatizing for the driver. This method was commonplace for a year and then abandoned.

Only later came the logistics of work camps, even later death camps.

Even then keep in mind that more than a million jews died in polish and french ghettoes, russian villages, almost none of these were burnt, just buried.

In the KZs or Vernichtungslager only the ones that were gassed were actually cremated. Don't forget that a lot of people were lined up and shot, tortured to death for disobedience, died of starvation and so forth. I bet the total number of people cremated is closer to 3.5 mil if at all that high. That is very feasible to accomplish.

Can someone check if there were more Poles rhan Jews in the laborcamps? Or if they were kept seperated from the Jews? #rememberthepoles

It happened. 5-6 million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis and their collaborators. Holocaust denialism is not history, it's pure propaganda. They constantly lie, manipulate and omit vital information.

These Jews were mostly Polish citizens.

Black people, of course. At least in America.

This, probably half was not cremated in camps. The einsatzgruppen and sonderkommando1005 .

>Blobel began his work experimenting at Chełmno (Kulmhof). Attempts to use incendiary bombs to destroy exhumed bodies were unsuccessful as the weapons set fire to nearby forests. The most effective way was eventually found to be giant pyres on iron grills. The method involved building alternating layers of corpses and firewood on railway tracks. Afterwards remaining bone fragments could be crushed by pounding with heavy dowels or in a grinding machine and then re-buried in pits

The einsatzgruppen & sonder commando did the rest in the field*

start with this.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

And this

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust.html

Yeah how dared we not kiss German boot.
What a fucking idiot, oh my God, people like this should be strangled, go fuck yourself you retarded fuck, you're probably American on top of that.

in modern cremators you dont put many Untermensch together to burn at the same time

Had he won Germany would be ruled by Catholics and had embraced other esoteric nonsense making it more retarded antiscience than the USA with its amount of Christians. Ofcourse nobody would notice it as Christianity was already the nirm in Germany.

Considering that they had 52 muffles in Auscwhitz alone, what about this strikes you as difficult?

I knew it. Thats how they got to 1.6 million

So hitler only targeted slav poles and not jewish poles?

Sources?

Hitler worship is mostly ironic

>don't believe in the holocaust

you are a flat earther tier retard user.

archive.org/stream/BodyDisposalAtAuschwitzTheEndOfHolocaustDenial/BDA_djvu.txt

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There is no such thing as slavic pole, they're all kikes.

What does this image convey?

explain to me how that shirt disrespects women.

Liberal smugness while ignoring the fact that they rally behind the very face of institutional corruption.

>, but the 6 gigabillion chosen ones number was absurdly inflated by zionists

No it isnt. Youre just a very low IQ person who wants reality to fit into your dumbass internet conspiracy theories.

That image is quite stupid. To make a pun referencing a woman having practiced oral sex is not an insult to women.

part of the "narrative" is that any personal insult to a specific woman is in fact an attack on women as a whole, so they you are sexist for attacking any one woman for anything.

Hillary Clinton said Trump supporters were deplorable, so his supporters started ironically calling themselves that as a badge of honor as a "fuck you" to her

Trump called Hillary (just her, not her supporters) a nasty woman, so her supporters tried to force that into being their ironic "fuck you" badge of honor, even though it made no sense and just came across as women calling themselves nasty when no one even asked them.

Perhaps he targete Poles in general, then seperated the Jews and non Jews and not releasing the non Jews

Okay, I'm back.

Yeah, that's what people like you say, but then you don't tell me what book I can find these records printed in. The only holocaust-related book I can even name is The Diary of Anne Frank, and that's because of how well-known it is.

Try Destruction of European Jewry by Hillberg.

see

Wikipedia says its reliability is disputed and that a passage that questioned whether Hitler even knew about the holocaust was removed from the publisher. I guess I'll consider it, but it doesn't sound too promising.

>its not very interesting for a youngster
I'm in my early 20's.

>and certainly takes alot more time than scanning through a retarded pol infograph
Of course, but it's worth it to not be a holocaust denier.

What, should I timestamp some kippot?

>All Jews made it to the camps
>All people at the camp were burned

Yeah, in this hypothetical world it would be impossible. But especially in the Soviet Union most Jews were just killed on site. Also a lot of people didn't get burned. Germans were forced by allied troops to march past the dead bodies as part of denazification.

I've seen this image before. It's funny, but it also proves my point. I can't use Jewish accounts because whatever trauma they've experienced has fucked with their memory.

Then name a book, please.

Oh shit, YES! This is what I wanted! Thank you!

>babbys first encounter with primary sources

Well, America was like that with native americans.
Look how long they lasted.

Well, it's on the long side, but it looks pretty legit. I'm gonna see if I can get a copy from a library. Thanks!

>Believing this

but acknowledging that the holocaust was an atrocity does not imply relevance

nor do you explain what you are trying to say what it is irrelevant to

imagine whatever country it is that you're from
imagine a random group of other people come in, establish settlements, and colonise it
imagine in response to your resistance to this they decide they'll appoint leaders who you cannot have any say in choosing, and claim will ensure that everyone is treated "fairly."

Then imagine they start writing laws that encroach upon your freedoms at an alarming pace, and continue to claim land for the colonizing party. Your resistance is illegal and justifies all manner of destruction.

Oyyy

Your cabal will end very soon

Hitler got the support of oligarchs.

>All people do is call others Nazis.
Yeah, but they call people Nazi for shit not even representative of National Socialism.
Notice I did not say Nazism, because Hitler and friends never called themselves Nazis; it was instead a insult made by the Jews and Allies. Also, Hitler was a GERMAN nationalist, so your argument about nationalist movements would only work in Germany, but hey, Veeky Forums hates Germany anyway so no loss there.