Why did those early Zionist terrorist groups (Stern Gang) view the British as their enemy?

Why did those early Zionist terrorist groups (Stern Gang) view the British as their enemy?

This never made sense to me, I mean they thought the fucking ANGLOS were a bigger threat to Jews than the Nazis. What the fuck was going through their heads?

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>Barazani was born in Baghdad to a Kurdish Jewish family from Iraqi Kurdistan. The family moved to Jerusalem when he was six.

>Barazani joined Lehi at an early age, following in the footsteps of his brother. He participated in numerous sabotage operations, laying mines to destroy British vehicles and taking part in railway sabotage.

>While awaiting execution in the Central Prison in Jerusalem's Russian Compound, he met Irgun fighter Meir Feinstein, who had also been sentenced to death. On April 21, 1947, shortly before their scheduled executions, they committed suicide with an improvised grenade which had been smuggled inside a hollowed-out orange.

They would rather kill themselves then let an Anglo kill them.

>Menachem Begin, leader of Irgun and later prime minister of Israel, was buried next to them on the Mount of Olives in accordance with his will.

The British were executing valuable Hebrew warriors. Moshe Barazani was a Kurdish Jew and a direct descendant from the first female Rabbi of all time. When people like him were martyred, not to mention the attempted slaughter of one of the most ancient Jewish communities of all time (Hebron) led to these militias. They blamed the British for not allowing them to respond. They decided to take it in their own hands. They would mutilate and torture British soldiers, even Jewish ones who were Zionists.

They were Nationalists, in that sense even they despised the rootless Jewish phenomenon

because Germans and Jews are natural allies as general Gajda said

Because the AETERNAL ANGLO is the white Jew and they didn't want competition.

>The British were executing valuable Hebrew warriors.

This. The Jews who came to Palestine were not trying to play around. They spoke about how Jews were weak and basically said Jews needed to redeem themselves for all their suffering. They hated the victim mentality, and the only way to end it in their mind was to reclaim the Holy Land by force.

Imagine if next time a Black American got shot, but instead of mourning the death Black people across the country vowed to kill 5 white people for every black man killed by a cop. Instead of saying that the cop was wrong, they would blame the death on the kid for being weak and letting it happen. That was basically the mentality of the Zionist Militias. Everytime a Jew would die, 5 arabs and multiple brits would die. They would commit terrorist attacks that killed a shit ton of Jews too.

They saw themselves as redeeming the spirit of the Hebrews, and as Israelites who were fighting in a Holy War to save the Jewish soul. They strongly believed in Greater Israel. Their concept of Israel was heavily inspired by Italian Fascism.

Then how did Israel end up being heavily influenced by left leaning ideologies? At least in the beginning of the state.

Because they (The Irgun) lost the small civil war against the leftists. They were condemned as terrorists by most Zionists. Especially for trying to make deals with the Nazis

First of all, Irgun and Lehi were not terrorists. They were right-wing militias. Haganah was a centre/left militia. Irgun split off of Haganah, Lehi split off of Irgun, Blowing up the King David hotel was not a terror attack. It was a British military operation centre. They made phone calls to that place and the surrounding buildings to evacuate. The French embassy across the street let their windows open to prevent blast pressure. The British laughed and said they wouldnt be bossed around by Jews. Irgun men were sent to get whoever they could to evacuate and got some Arab workers out. As always, Jews are trying to prevent the casualties of their enemies.

Britain was the enemy from the land of Israel. They were occupying, not the Nazis. The British were conspiring with the Arabs to obstruct Jewish refugees from escaping Europe.

Right wing Jews did try to negotiate with the Nazis to get Jews out and even pay for it to be done. Some Nazis were open to it and Hitler was on and off, but never really involved. Ultimately, the attempts got only a few thousand out. Again, if not for the British, more could have been saved.

Irgun and Lehi even tried to work with Arab militias to get rid of the British, which Haganah never did. So much for being racist fascists. The Arabs rejected the appeals.

In the end, Haganah blew up one of the Irgun resupply ships, the Altalena, which forced them into submission. There was never a formal civil war, but Begin decided to avoid it, foolishly in my opinion. And Israel went on to be socialist for decades until Begin finally won office in 1977. Even today, the country is plagued by socialist policy and left-wing domination of history.

The British really did cause almost all the problems in the world, as much as I like a lot of their history. I dont like that the Irish decided to side with the Arabs after centuries of being friendly to Jews. Now, Ireland is one of the most antisemitic countries in Europe.

Reminder that Menachem Begin was so butthurt at the british that he supplied weapons to Argentina in the Falklands War

Quality post right there.

Oh yea I forgot to mention that

The Nazi justified a Jewish state

Based Jews

Because prior to WWII, Nazi-enabled aliyah actually contributed a lot in terms of human capital and infrastructure to the Zionist goals.

alot of this is wrong though

If the Nazis oversaw the Mandatory of Palestine, I'm sure the Stern gang would have attacked them instead.

Manachem Begin was a badass and way under studied

Daily reminder that Hertzl was a germaboo who thought that Germans were the apex of European civic society.

He even joined a German nationalist group until he was kicked out in a stupid purity spiral.

And what a crop did they sow.

And what a harvest they did reap.

Most of that isnt really true, and note it was 1933. Hitler soon changed his mind and overturned the "agreement". Only a few thousand Jews left under it.

Everything I stated is true and verifiable if you do some research and dont read leftwing Falsestinian propaganda.

Yep.

Yep, communists control the media.

>First of all, Irgun and Lehi were not terrorists.
>bombing train lines with trains full of civilians inbound is not terrorism
>sending bombs through mail, including to people that weren't even a direct threat is not terrorism
>massacring entire villages and making people flee in terror is not terrorism
>killing UN officials is not terrorism

Kiss yourself senpai

Killing UN officials is the Work of The Lord, anybody's Lord.

Two things are true.

1. We will have global collaboration organizations and the more who participate the better for all.

2. The UN will not be that orginaztion.

>Irgun and Lehi were not terrorists
>implying they're not essentially Zionist versions of Hamas.

down to storing weapons in places like schoolhouses and shit

The British were for the most part perceived as being pro-Arab. The Mandate imposed harsh immigration laws and a crackdown on illegal Jewish migrants in an attempt to control the situation. They were also in overwhelmingly in favour of the two-state solution which Zionist groups loathed more than anything.

That or slitting innocent policemen's throats and hanging them from trees. Charming people.

Thanks for this, i've been severely misinformed.

>Britain was the enemy from the land of Israel.
You mean Palestine.
>They were occupying, not the Nazis.
The irony
>The British were conspiring with the Arabs to obstruct Jewish refugees from escaping Europe.
The British should have let your ancestors rot in those camps.

>You mean Palestine.

You mean the British Mandate of Palestine, which included Jordan. Before that it was ruled by the Turks.

>The irony

Yeah, the irony that the """Palestinians"""" weren't asking for Jordan and Egypt to end the inhumane occupation of Palestine.

>The British should have let your ancestors rot in those camps.

This is why you will forever lose.

>"""Palestinians"""

I don't mind the Palestinian title, the fact is it was an identity created for political reasons, no different than Israel. I just hate when they pretend that they have been there for 100,000 years and that Palestaina was some ancient civilization. All it does is hurt their case, and this is coming from someone who wants to see them succeed.

>This is why you will forever lose.

The first step to saving yourself from a snakebite is to remove the snake's fangs. But what heppens when the body is dead, what next victim will the snake find? Will you look to the Asians, or the Indian subcontinent to drain dry?

This makes no sense. Israel is only known because of the Jews. The West Bank is historically Judea and Samaria.

America must expel it's Jews or it will be consumed, even though it already is almost completely consumed.

If all the Jews left America to Israel and brought all their assets with them, the US economy would crash instantly.

Don't forget rigging the bodies with explosives so they can attempt to kill anyone who retrieves them.

Because the British were occupying their traditional homeland at the time...?

Am I missing something here? Is the answer this obvious?

LOL any Jews who left germany under this agreement never got their stuff back

>trusting nazi germany to honor any agreement

If you honestly think this you need to educate yourself.

>You mean Palestine.

Palestine has never existed.
YHWH already came and debunked your stupid ass theory

Israel and Palestine have about the same justification for existing as modern countries.
Zionists would do far better to just admit that might makes right because it's futile to try and pull the wool otherwise.

Sorry Achmed, I used to be on your sign but YHWH has already spoken on it.

No u

They arent. Hamas is a psychotic Islamist group that wants to wipe out Jews and moderate Mohammedans. Irgun and Lehi wanted to remove the British and create a more national capitalistic country.

The Zionist groups were almost all in favor of two states at any cost (to them). You might be thinking of the Arabs.

"innocent" lol, no worse than they did to Jews

There is no such thing as Palestine. Its a romantic term used by Europeans. One has to wonder what the Falsestinians would have done had Zionists continued to use the term palestine and didnt adopt Israel for the country name. The Arabs benefitted massively from the abandonment of that name. They could point to mandate currency and stamps and maps and claim it was originally palestine, when it objectively wasnt. It hasnt been palestine since Roman times.

back to /pol/ Weve lived in Asia for 2500 years, but they were never antisemitic, so there was never any friction.

You need to educate yourself, homie.

You are right in a sense. Israel needs to stop being soft. Had the Jew actually done any of the things they were accused of, there would be no talk about Falsestinian rights today because there wouldnt be any left.

>Hamas is a psychotic Islamist group that wants to wipe out Jews and moderate Mohammedans. Irgun and Lehi wanted to remove the British and create a more national capitalistic country.

Fucking this. Anyone who equates them is clueless.

>"innocent" lol, no worse than they did to Jews
Take your air quotes and shove them up your cunt. Two innocent men who were killed and mutilated by psychopathic animals. You realise this was in "reprisal" for three wholly unrelated Irgun killers who were tried and sentenced for their crimes in a normal court of law? Your own people condemned the vicious and senseless murder of the sergeants but here you are white knighting for it.

I never said otherwise, I just think all the sophistry about who has more 'right' to be there or who really is a country is stupid and dishonest. You could put it another way, the will on the part of Zionist groups to be a 'nation' was far stronger than that of the Palestinian Arabs, so it won out.

Your whole position is based upon the assumption that Palestine belonged to Jews at this point, which nobody else really accepts because it's ridiculous. It wasn't a war between states, it was a group who wanted to steal the land from its current inhabitants and who were fighting the legitimate occupiers of the region, whose stated goal was to withdraw in a sensible and equitable fashion.

The British didn't stop migrants because LOLANTISEMITISM they were trying to transition to independence with at least a modicum of stability and having major demographic shifts were only going to lead to the kind of violence that happened as soon as they withdrew, and is still continuing now. Nobody had any actual right to move there, and the only argument in its favour is holocaust guilt, which just aggravates the British because they threw away everything fighting the Nazis.

It's really some breathtakingly poor logic, or just shitty propaganda.

So if I go to the Atlantic seaboard of France with a bunch of other Brits, demand they let us break off into our own state and then start killing civilians and French military until they do, that's fine because thousands of years ago my ancestors lived there?

There's a reason Brits are usually pretty fond of Jews but despise Israel with an intensity people would struggle to believe, and this thread highlights it pretty well.

>The British were conspiring with the Arabs to obstruct Jewish refugees from escaping Europe.

Oh jew, am i supposed to laugh

>So if I go to the Atlantic seaboard of France with a bunch of other Brits, demand they let us break off into our own state and then start killing civilians and French military until they do, that's fine because thousands of years ago my ancestors lived there?

I fully support your doing so and would wish the best of fortune in your endeavor. The modern French are a bunch of craven faggots with no sense of attachment to their own history who would probably let you get away with it.

Fuck the French.
They don't deserve a country.

Britain occupied what is now Israel.

The Israelis also blame the British in-part for the Holocaust, as Germany's "repatriation to Judea" programs were soon blocked by Britain not wanting an ethnic and religious destabilization to its Palestine territory.

You rarely hear the name of Britain from Israelis without "Enach'shimam" somewhere in the same sentence.

>defending a bunch of genocidal maniacs so bad even their fellow Jews had to reign them in while pretending the Palestinians (or whatever you want to call them) hadn't been living on those lands for centuries.
I talked to one who had lost his family olive orchard to settlements, great guy. Didn't even hate Israel, but said it was a crime.

Because the British were anti-semites

Because jews are backstabbing rodents who should be annihilated once and for all.

Good luck Achmed

They werent innocent, you fucking limey bastard. They were part and parcel of the occupying regime which had no business continuing to be there. The purpose of the mandate was to administrate it until something else could be developed. The British caused basically all of the modern conflicts in the world, and the French did the rest. Cant even blame the Americans because they were cleaning up your messes.

Im not opposed to might makes right arguments, but I use it more as a last resort.

I dont know what Palestine is, but Israel belonged to the Jews and this has been acknowledged multiple times. The British quadruple dealt in ways that outdoes any merchant. Maybe the British Israelite theory is true.

The British didnt know what they were doing and they were just sucking Arab dicks for the oil. They shouldve colonized it properly if they wanted the oil. Instead they sided with the Arabs and exacerbated the 6 gorillion deaths. Most of the Arabs didnt give a shit. It was the Arab leaders locally and regionally that didnt want to lose power. The regular peasants were happy to finally have good jobs, civilization and better rule.

They had every right to move there, given that it is their ancestral land AND they purchased or homesteaded land.

And if they were so concerned about demographic imbalance, they would have restricted Arab immigration as well. They didnt. The Arabs had bigger pocketbooks.

Actually most patriotic Brits love Israel. Its Labour, Scots, and Irish that dont.

>They were part and parcel of the occupying regime which had no business continuing to be there
Awe-inspiring lack of self-awareness, congrats