Is it possible to reform Islam?

You're a fucking retard.

Have you even read the Quran? Or the books following it?
>Sexual slavery is okay
>Pedophilia is okay
>Love people if they love Islam, if they don't cut off their fucking hands and make them suffer before they die, all of them need to
>Muhammad molests a young boy in his lap and has a 6 year old wife
>"MY TEACHES COME FROM ALLAH HIMSELF AND ARE TIMELESS!"

The Old Testament is as bad if not worse, what redeems the bible is the New Testament.

There's a reason Christianity caught on and Judaism didn't.

Islam doesn't say kill nonbelievers

Well, Christianity proselytizes

just because the text says something doesn't mean the religion will always follow it. Paul said women can only teach women and children in the church, yet we have plenty of protestant groups that allow women to be pastors. another example: jesus explicitly says the only grounds for divorce are adultery and should you divorce for another reason and remarry you are committing adultery, yet this is not mainstream among christians and even more traditional christians would be forgiving of a women divorcing a physically abusive husband. Islam is not incapable of reform because of what the text says. people are always willing to ignore an inconvenient passage, reinterpret it in a convoluted way, or just say the author was wrong.

Early Judaism did too, they were constantly trying to convince Greeks and any Semite they could to join.

The reason it stopped was because Roman occupation meant too many "incorrect" Jews would weaken the shaky power the traditional Jewish authorities had over politics in Israel. The Romans were stupidly lenient if you compare the Jews to other people they conquered. If it weren't for the fact that Israel was the closest way for a Persian invasion to reach the Mediterranean there wouldn't be any Jews today, they'd have been killed off, beaten, and forcibly assimilated long before Titus Flāvius Caesar "Defile the Jewish virgin at Jupiter's urgin' " Vespasiānus Augustus kicked their asses and melted the menorah into coins with his dad's face on them.

Not the user you were talking to but yes it does especially those who resist Islamic rule or those who have attacked Islam directly. It also permits you to rape female captives of war.

But criticizing Islam for its faults and then saying Christianity is a peaceful religion is hypocritical. Revelations is basically a book about God allowing Evil to take over just so he can murder non-believers and then there is going to Hell for eternity just for not believing in him even if you are a good person. The violence just gets put off until the afterlife with Christianity.

it's been "reformed" a hundred times over

>Jesus flips some tables

But this is Jesus attacking the most sacred thing to the Jews which got him crucified.

>The koran is made up of one book

"The Koran" doesn't exist in this world. What we have are incomplete fragments of the Koran placed in a random order then edited by Uthman.

source?

>The Old Testament is as bad if not worse

Not really. The worst stuff end up being exilic Jewish propaganda which is refuted by archaeological examinations. You shouldn't read it as literal history but a theological "we would kickass like the old times if God was on our side" message.

>There's a reason Christianity caught on and Judaism didn't

Actually before Christianity, there was a movement throughout the roman empire to convert Gentiles into Jews.

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Please stop arguing.

not by a guy almost universally hated and isolated in the muslim world

No muslims are batshit insane they fucking kill people for suggestin something is even wrong with Islam.

youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo

It's already reformed. Muzzies all around the world do all the degenerate stuff that comes along with "Western" society and then they pray their guilt away on the weekends like everyone else.

sure, first you have to wipe out every saudi, bahraini, qatari, and emirati sunni arab on the planet.

since they are the ones that are funding terrorism, proselytizing wahhabi and salaffist islam and violence, and providing leaders and fighters to insurgents.

>implying Iran
>implying Pakistan

You need to be more thorough if you are to completely address the problem.

Iran will calm down once the sunni arab threat across the Gulf is gone, and israel of course.

Pakistan is just a puppet of the Eternal Arab.,

>revised
that's a vague comment.... expand

What Jesus did was pretty violent symbolically.

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. Exodus 3:2

Jeremiah 5:22 'Do you not fear Me?' declares the LORD 'Do you not tremble in My presence? For I have placed the sand as a boundary for the sea, An eternal decree, so it cannot cross over it. Though the waves toss, yet they cannot prevail; Though they roar, yet they cannot cross over it.

The problem with Islam is the literal interpretation of the Koran, now back in the 700-800's the Abbasid caliph was influenced by an school of philosophy call Mu'ztailism which was basically a Neo-plantonist interpretation of the Koran. Now the caliph went full retard and proceeded to start an Inquisition against anyone who disagrees with this philosophy, then some guy called Hunbal disagreed with the caliph and argued for a literal interpretation so the caliph tortured him and he became a martyr. Because of the Inquisition, the Mu'ztailist school was discredited and the Claiph abandoned it in a populist move in sometime in the 800's. To this day rationalism is rejected in most Islamic countries, alongside Islam's natural conservatism this makes the religion difficult to reform and modernize.

Reminder that the turks ruined islam

The main problem is that the Qur'an is supposed to be the uncreated word of God while the bible is supposed to be only man made and prone to error though divinely inspired. This means that Christianity is very flexible while Islam isn't.

>Assad, from a syncretic sect long deemed heretical, is gonna revise the Quran.
This is gonna go down well in Saudi land.

>Sexual slavery is okay

Both the Old and the New Testaments permit sexual slavery, which is why Christians have sexually enslaved non-Christians for centuries.

>Pedophilia is okay

Child marriage is okay, but not sexual intercourse with prepubescent children. The Bible, however, does sanction pedophilia (see Numbers 31:18)

>Love people if they love Islam, if they don't cut off their fucking hands and make them suffer before they die, all of them need to
>Muhammad molests a young boy in his lap and has a 6 year old wife

What verses from the Qur'an say this?

>"MY TEACHES COME FROM ALLAH HIMSELF AND ARE TIMELESS!"

Literally every single religion claims that its teachings come directly from God and that they are timeless

>implying that UAE and Bahrain promote Salafism

Are you retarded? Plus, Saudi Arabia and Qatar promote apolitical, "domesticated" type of Wahhabism, not the one that is followed by groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS

Those are usually from hadiths and contextual, nothing like that in Quran itself, which is mostly boring recycle of Torah.

That would be right if Sola Scriptura faggots didnt exist

No, because it explicitly forbids any innovation in religion.

>and Judaism didn't.

Because Judaism didn't accept converts.

Reformation is not the same thing as innovation

It is possible. But then Muslims would need to stop believing that the Koran is the perfect word of the creator of the universe, which is never going to happen.

Because the Bible is mostly a set of stories of what certain religious figures did not a set of laws to obey. Which is why the literal interpretation leads to different outcomes.

>"domesticated" type of Wahhabism
About as domesticated as a pitbull

Based Assad btfo'ing the jihadists

Who gives a fuck

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Turk roaches aint moors

I believe there will come a time where Islam will have a "Reformation" similar to Christianity, and it too will lose its teeth.

Martin Luther was a mistake

They already since before the Ottoman happened, but some fucks keep on insisting on being deus vult tryhards like the shias, salafis and wahabbis, and most of the time among themselves

They'll get tired of killing each other eventually. They'll have their own peace of Westphalia

Yes it literally is, why would you say something so utterly foolish and obviously stupid?

You haven't read the Quran.

Even advocates of Sola Scriptura often believe that it's God guiding the author along, not the pen itself. It more boils down to not putting St. Augustine and crew on the same level as holy scripture. The word-for-word inerrancy mentality falls under something else, technically, though it is prevelant among Sola's.

>Because the Bible is mostly a set of stories of what certain religious figures did not a set of laws to obey.

The same can be easily said about the Quran. However, both the Bible and the Quran contain sets of laws that should be obeyed

No it literally is not, why would you say something so utterly foolish and obviously stupid? In fact, reformation is the exact opposite of innovation.

Actually Islam had a better chance of surviving 20. and 21. century because of Turks

If I got that right, islam does not have a central authority like the pope for the catholics, so while it should be possible, it would be way harder to push reforms, especially considering the many different subcultures of Islam.

we only need a new prophet to start spitting sunnahs

as I understand it they're a hopeless case, better simply to push it under a rug

It already has been reformed.

Lack of central authority makes it harder to reform, not easier. The fact that the Koran itself very clearly mandates death for anyone who "innovates" in religion makes it nigh impossible to reform.

Reminder muslims can't into reason.

Fundamentalist sects like Wahhabism or Salafism are some examples for reformed Islam.