Most of the criticism of Marxism I come across is only tackling Classical Marxism (what Marx believed) or Marxism–Leninism (what the USSR believed). I do not come across much criticism tackling Orthodox Marxism (those focused on technological advancement) or Western Marxism (those focused on culture).
Do you guys know of any good books/lectures/anything that tackles either Orthodox Marxism or Western Marxism?
who gives a shit, it's all pure cancer
>we need to create a totalitarian state that owns everything so that it can magically dissolve and then everyone will own everything and also there is no money
wew
Read anything by Sowell pretty much.
Please no more meme responses.
plz no more meme ideology
If you really didn't want any more believers in Marxism shouldn't you be happy to have a thread focused on the criticism of it?
m8 people still think the earth is flat, there will always be people who believe insane discredited theories
How about you go beyond what your community college professor wants and learn about ideologies that dont always end up with murdering anyone who disagrees
Marxism is not an insane discredited theory.
Marxism is influential around the world. Flat earth theory isn't.
user don't listen to the memes responses. Attacking Orthodox Marxism i would say that liberal philosophers and sociologists would tackle this really well. People like Ayn Rand, Stuart Mill, Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman and the Frankfurt School (making a cap with the Western Marxism). The idea of developing technological advancement while still maintaing a fair and idealized society can also be seen in the works of John Ralws and Nozick. While for the critic of Western Marxism (focused on culture) can be seen on said authors, while still existing an early development on the contratualists and even existensialists. I should also say that a study on ideology and its influences on culture and techonology is also interesting.
>flat earth is not an insane discredited theory
Thanks, which Rawls/Nozick work should I start with to see what they have to say about technological development?
Heres a critique of the inefficiency of centrally planned economies vs market economies
Scroll to the economics section. He has an interesting view of things that I've never seen anybody else comment on, in such a way.
Remind me where Marx ever said and/or implied that?
Ideologies are scoured for excuses to power, not excuses for "truth".
If "Marx" is "truth", then superficial megalomania becomes "truth" and organizing a society along simplistic understandings of class and organization becomes a matter of enforcing "truth" in the service of power.
>What do you mean
The man was such a prodigious writer that you can take select snippets and use it to propound and buttress any ideology.
>"The wealth will trickle down!"
>"The State will wither away!"
medieval falsities that have been objectively disproven are not the same as economic theories. economies are manmade.
>Take philosopher's writing out of context and use it to justify something that's blatantly opposed to everything he stands for
>Therefore that philosopher was wrong and everything he ever thought is contaminated
Seems dumb tbqh fampai. Marx and Nietzsche are actually worth reading despite how much they get quoted and/or shit on by people that never bothered to read any of their work.
>economic theories cant be disproved
You sound like a creationist
muh magic books says it so you cant say its wrong
If the theory is sound, like it is in the case of Marxism, then it cannot be axiomatically disproved. Marxian economists are still around today adding to Marx's theories in a scientific, rational manner, and still Marx himself is still immensely influential.
how has the ltv not been axiomatically disproven?
users.wfu.edu
The TSSI resolves most of the claimed issues with it
>Western Marxism
Just call it "Cultural Marxism". Are you afraid they're going to order you to go back to /pol/?
>value
>theory
>of
>labour
>economies are manmade
They are not, and great harm is brought upon people every day in assuming that they are.
>money can work this way if we just FORCED it to!
Said every fat cat protectionist, mustachio'd dictator, and crybaby liberal since the dawn of time.
Every country that gets out of the way has everything to show for it.
>mises.org
>mises
commit sudoku
>cultural marxism
not a real thing
/pol/sters fuck off
of course it is
From the OP:
>Western Marxism (those focused on culture)
Marxism focused on culture = Cultural Marxism
Western Marxism is a bad term. Louis Althusser and Nicos Poulantzas were "Western Marxist" but they didn't focus on culture as much as Gramsci, Marcuse and Laclau, for example.
I'll have to look into that more but I doubt it actually saved ltv.
Cultural Marxism is a bad term as well, especially after it was shit up so much. No legitimate Marxist focuses only/specifically on "culture", nor would they only focus on "economics" or "politics"; they are all intertwined in so many ways that they all need elucidation and understanding.
>I will only accept sources that already confirm what I think I know
how brave of you
>Dictatorship of the proletariat :
>My own contribution was 1 to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production; 2 that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat; and 3 that this dictatorship, itself, constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society
Karl Marx, 1852
>They are not, and great harm is brought upon people every day in assuming that they are.
do you think humans are born with economic knowledge intact? that it didn't take thousands of years for even agricultural economies to begin, never mind flourish? it's an endless process of trial and error. modern capitalist economies are entirely products of mankind's labour and the product of billions of individuals
>mises
>created praxeology (pure fantastical meme)
>literally knows nothing about economics
yeah i think ill pass, thank you. if i wanted to learn about the opinions of manchildren, ill take a look at mises.org in the future
>austrian economics
>any year
>any time
good goy
>mises makes predictions in 1920 about the failure of centrally planned economies
>the soviet union confirms literally all of his predictions
>buttmad marxaboos stick their head in the sand and keep on waiting for that global workers revolutions that is right around the corner :^)
Doesn't say anything about need.
>talking to a Marxist
>point out that the Labor "Theory" of Value means that any processed good is inherently worth more than it's components, which is obviously false
>"yeah but if you just never make something that's worth less than it's components then it's true"
this is the ideology that 100 million people died for
>soviet union
stopped reading right there
>any processed good is inherently worth more than it's components, which is obviously false
hurr durr
...
>soviet union
Le not real gommunism maymay
>hurr durr
that is pretty much how Marxists sound when they talk about economics
>le real gommunism maymay
>Western Marxism (those focused on culture)
the end game of which is authoritarian feudalism.
At least it didn't kill dozens of millions.
10/10....I kek'd.