Afghans are objectively the best fighters in all of history

The Afghans actually lost the last Anglo-Afghan War and the Russian puppet government (which won in pitched battles against the mujahideen) collapsed because the Soviet Union proper did three years after withdrawal

>Not Indians

Imagine trying to build a sand castle out of birdshit.

This is the fundamental challenge of state building in Afghanistan.

The only one who conqueres us were Russians, and thats even a questionable close fight.

>Afghans are objectively the best fighters in all of history.

While they are hard fighters, their success against invaders has more to do with where the fighting is taking place.

If you are referring to modern wars, Afghanistan would have been owned several times over if it wasn't for Pakis

Pajeet please. Punjab barely represents you lot.

>Pakistani military has a pretty good reputation
Wew lad you got me

>Afghans are objectively the best fighters in all of history.

honestly curious, have the Afghans won a large tactical confrontation against the United States?

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Connery and Caine
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I argue that the Boer Commando is a better warrior than the Afghan. Both were extremely difficult to best but the ingenuity and inherent strengths of living on the veldt created a more adaptable fighter.

the roaches(and the turks too) should be nuked.

the USA and ISAF spends hundreds of millions trying to secure afghanistan. while china gets all the mineral rights.

china will strip mine that country and leave the locals with nothing.

Ya know Brad, the hajis dont seem to be very good at fighting.
But them again, they never seem to surrender either.

No, he meant they don't have any offense. He wasn't trying to offend you you fucking tard.

>boer
>means farmer

y-you honestly think Brits used Pashtuns as their elite troops?
They weren't even the elite troops of the Raj. 40th Pathans was an unexceptional regiment, they wouldn't have been recruited into the Household Division.
You're aware of the Royal Marines right?

Mongols are better

>No but seriously
I understood that you sense faggot, it was a joke.

Having a land with no value that people mistakenly fight over for millennium doesn't equate "value".

Dying by the tens of thousands for millennium to "hold on" to a land that everyone, sooner or later, realises has no value doesn't make you a "good fighter".

Past that, the Afghanistan of Alexander was wiped out and it's peoples replaced by absolute filth. The are the Australians of the Old World if the Australian meme was actually true.

Look at Afghanistan and despair over what they have destroyed and "fought" so hard to keep you from knowing they destroyed. It's only value is in understanding what was lost and not even the Afghani can tell you that today.

>Even today Pakistani military has a pretty good reputation

The only non-civil wars Pakistan has fought have been against India, also a third world shithole. India has thoroughly wrecked them in every single one. It's utterly one-sided. So either Indians are super soldiers, or you're spewing BS.

>Having a land with no value
I stopped reading here
>One of the most strategic regions in the fucking world
>Russia started their own Vietnam War to reach their fucking warm water port
>Shit ton of natural resources
>No. 1 opium source in world, produces majority of world's opium by a far margin

You say you "stopped reading right there" but then go on to admit that it's only real value is strategic ... but neither you or anyone else can prove that nor can you prove that any Afghani knew or knows that because it's never been done because sooner or later everyone realises it's an enormous waste of time ... meaning that it's "strategic" value is zero. Both historically and in the now.

Opium? Fucking opium poppies grow just about anywhere. Afghanistan isn't special because they have it.

I'll also add that there's no map to a "warm water port" from Afghanistan. Not for Russia, not for anyone. It's where great armies go to die while their leaders figure out what they did wrong. It's literally a meme conquest.

no

youtube.com/watch?v=du51Goa-80I

The military dominance in the field for both Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty much absolute. In the Vietnam war the US used to lose whole platoons and companies in battles with the Vietcong and NVA. I don't recall a single instance in OIF/OEF where even a squad was wiped out in an encounter and not because of a helicopter crash/IED.

Would you like to contribute to the question or debate my post? Titles don't mean shit, the only thing that matters in this thread is determining who the better warrior is.

Let's look at the Afghan Wars and the Boer Wars, both involving the locals and the Brits. Who cost the Brits more losses? Who killed more officers of the British Army? Which forces caused the most heartache at the British homefront? Help answer these and I think we can move forward.

Successful b8 m8. That's enough baiting for one night. I'm off to sleep in my moms basement for tonight

My country's never been conquered despite various powerful Indian kingdoms, the Delhi Sultanate, the Mughal Empire and the British Empire knocking on our doors.

>and their best soldiers are Pashtuns.
Pakistan's beyond a shithole tho. Their best soldiers being Pashtun's still makes them below average in comparison to the world.

>Also, Durrani empire.
I don't understand how the Durrani's didn't absolutely decimate the Maratha's during the third battle of Panipat.

Everything was in their favour. The Maratha's had virtually no allies while the Durrani's had several. They were escorting 100,000 civilians and were spread thin protecting them (admittedly it may be a dick move but war is war). They were outnumbered by 30,000 men.

But even then they held the overwhelming advantage for several days and had a higher kill count until one of their general's got autism and ran into the battlefield himself lmao.

I think they were just among the first to really put effort into war. They might have been the first men to worship strength and will power and use this to unite large groups. Once the rest of the world eventually got involved in this, it came down to technology and the various utilization's of strategy, since the worship of will power and strength started to become a common denominator among all men.

Now if you want to talk physical durability, general those raised in the harshest environments evolved to counter those environments, which translates to certain advantages on the battlefield.

So the world's environment plays a role (weather/climate), how well the man can handle that specific environment, before and after preparations. But technology generally sways the tide of favor. Nothing is automatic though.

But yeah, the middle east have the oldest civilization's don't they? Which would add credence to the idea of Nimrod/Gilgamesh being among the first "mighty ones". Since some of the oldest literature attributes that general area as being among the first to utilize numbers, threat of war, and general organization.

>Past that, the Afghanistan of Alexander was wiped out and it's peoples replaced by absolute filth. The are the Australians of the Old World if the Australian meme was actually true.
Explain?

Wow u got me xdddd

This

Afghans don't exist.

Not that user, but I don't know if the wars are comparable given the Afghan Wars were fought in good part by Indian Army forces led by British officers whereas the Boer Wars were all ethnic Brits

>the joke
>your head

Why do you need loot and taxes when you got a sweet rice farm with goats, obediant slav-I mean women. And bacha bazi. The afghans would make the greeks proud.

>large tactical confrontation
Does not happen. Almost all the real fighting is insurgents in mountains and hills, hanging out in a village then going out to take potshots at US troops, then skirt away before they get fucked up. Not saying the war was a total loss for us, but those afghans are tough as fuck and operate on very little comparedto us.

Everyone should watch Korengal, its a doc on the Korengal Valley in Afghanistan, you get to see how warfare over there really works.

Sounds like I have more reading to do about the Afghan wars!

>most invaded place in history

Not even close

Dan Carlin taught me that nomadic horse people of the Asian step were BTFOing people for millennial

you realize there have been shit tons of dynasties that started in afghanistan by the ancestors of those still living there right, like the samanids, saffarids, kushans, mughals, ghoris, ghaznavids etc.

if you mean afghan = pashtun, then even pashtuns have groups like the durranis, bactrians, kushans, hepthalites, etc.

>samanids, saffarids, kushans, mughals, ghoris, ghaznavids etc.
Turk's came as conquerors and settled there. They are Afghan but it's not the same.

>if you mean afghan = pashtun, then even pashtuns have groups like the durranis, bactrians, kushans, hepthalites, etc.
Only one of those come from the last half millennia. Not to mention that kushan emperor was a Turk...

the only 'turks' in that list are the mughals (native uzbeks from afghanistan) and ghaznavid (who himself was half turkic half tajik)

kushan emperor wasn't a turk, where do you even get this shit from lmao

fucking culture appropriating turkshits/poos

>understanding what was lost
>they have destroyed and "fought" so hard to keep you from knowing they destroyed
>the Afghanistan of Alexander was wiped out

what the fuck are you talking about?