What makes Italians such bad warriors? How could the Italian army, equipped with tanks and guns...

>What makes Italians such bad warriors?
mfw

But in all seriousness, though, success in warfare has always been a question of organization, and that is always a reflection of the people in leadership positions, NOT the rank and file, who average about as tough or soft as any other group of people.

What about the 300 Spartans?

>italians
>roman

The Greeks have a better claim to being Roman then the mongrel race of lombards, arabs and italics.

I'm sure somebody else has the info-graphic saved and will soon post it, but genetic testing has proven that those geopolitical movements mattered far less to the overall population than we initially suspected.

For less than 1% of Roman society, the wealthiest contingent, 476 was the year of unmitigated disaster as they suddenly found their property holdings to not be worth the paper they were printed on. For the other 99% of Roman society it was life goes on, only with shitty new Germanic bosses instead of shitty old Roman ones.

>They "won" while incurring heavy casualties against an enemy that didn't have modern weapons.The Africans were literally disabling Italian tanks with coconuts.

>Italy: 10,000 killed
>Ethiopia: 275,000 combatants killed
Sure bud

The Italians inflate the causalities to make themselves look better.

If that were true they would've won the war, literally any of them that weren't Franco

275,000 is what was reported by the Ethiopians.

and the Ethiopians still fucked them over in the first Italo-Ethiopian war, and even defeated were an effective guerilla force in WWII

The Italians lost less than 20k people in the second Italo-Ethiopian war, while they killed 275k. They didn't lose, nor did they suffer larger amounts of casualties, nor did they perform poorly.

The Ethiopians in the first war had 50,000 men equipped with 'modern' fast-firing rifles, plus another 150,000 with antiquated guns, spears, and swords. Italy had 16,000 of Italian (mostly northerners) troops in the invasion force plus 8,000 Askaris, in the invasion force. They were always going to lose that one.

>lose to a bunch of spear chucking niggers
wrong, the anglos secretly armed them

>Ethiopians
>niggers
No

>What makes Italians such bad warriors?

And disputed by the Italians.

>Italian people
>Bad at war

You realize the Italian peninsula has created literally the greatest military men in history, for most of history right?
Here are just a few, and I will leave out the thousands and thousands of stellar examples of military prowess that the Romans displayed.

1.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raimondo_Montecuccoli

Raimondo Montecuccoli, Marshal of the Holy Roman Empire considered the greatest general of early modern warfare who had significant defeats over both Le Grande Conde and Turrene

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrogio_Spinola,_1st_Marquis_of_the_Balbases

2. Ambrogio Spinola, General and Admiral for Spain who succeeded in crushing the Dutch Revolt for a time. Considered by many to be the greatest master of siege warfare in history owing to to nearly 100 successful sieges and 0 defeats in war.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Farnese,_Duke_of_Parma

3. Alexander Farnese, Duke of Parma, also in the service of Spain, considered one of the best ever "Spanish" generals who contributed to the crushing of the dutch revolt as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon

4. Napoleon, this man needs no introduction.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_of_Lauria

4. Roger of Lauria, Admiral who commanded the fleet of the Crown of Aragon, considered the greatest Naval commander in Medieval European Naval warfare

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/André_Masséna

5. Andre Massena, Napoleonic Marshal, considered by many to be Napoleon's best and most capable military commander next to Davout. He was affectionately nicknamed "the darling child of victory".

napoleon wasn't born on the peninsula

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Eugene_of_Savoy

6. Prince Eugene of Savoy, Marshal of Austria and the Holy Roman Empire, considered by many to be one of the greatest commanders in history, he dealt crushing defeats to the Turks, as well as the French in the War of Spanish Succession.

He was of minor Tuscan nobility long term, and short term was Genoese. The man was Italian by blood as much as just about anyone.

He even said, alluding to his Italian ancestry, "I am of the race that builds empires", and was said to be "ferocious" due to his Italian ancestry

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottavio_Piccolomini

7. Ottavio Piccolomini, Marshal of the Holy Roman Empire during the 30 years war, considered one of the Empire's best generals in history, dealt crushing defeats to both the French and the Swedes who were at the time seemingly unbeatable on the battlefield

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiore_dei_Liberi

8. Fiore dei Liberi, fencing master who codified most of European swordsmanship in his work "the flower of battle", considered the greatest master of individual combat in Europe in his day.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_dal_Borro

9. Alessandro Dal Barro, Marshal of the Holy Roman Empire, dealt many crushing defeats to the Ottoman Empire and was so successful that he was nicknamed "the Terror of the Turks"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occhiali

10. Occhiali, an Admiral of the Ottoman Empire and Barbary pirate born in Calabria who was kidnapped as a slave and through skill and bravery in combat and leadership alone came to be one of, if not the greatest Ottoman Naval commander next to Barbarossa.

Thats a primer on some great Italian commanders. There are literally 100s more.

The genetic composition of the italian peninsula didn't significantly change whatsoever during the barbarian invasions and fall of rome.

When will this "military elite takes control of an area and magically transmutes the entire local population into their genetic clones" fucking end?

Ethiopians weren't chucking spears, they were equipped with modern arms and had received Western guidance a la Meiji Japan.

More importantly, the Ethiopian military was experienced with its rough terrain. The new Italian military lacked expertise in this country and had very poor command.

Rimbaud made a living selling heavy artillery to the Ethiopians and he died in fucking 1891.

While some of the Ethiopian forces used traditional weaponry (iron swords and spears, not sharpened sticks), the kingdom had purchased huge weapons stockpiles and received some military guidance from the West and Russia.

>there are people in this thread who think that Ethiopia was some primitive African country

Ffs, it even got into the Society of Nations in 1923.

>This fucking fatass was nicknamed "the terror of the turks"
Lifegoals brah

Tanks need gas, guns need bullets, soldiers need food. It doesn't matter how advanced your technology is when you don't have the organizational skill and discipline to supply it in the field. An important corollary to this is that hopefully your soldiers are led competently so that they don't waste these resources.

Those were backed up by ~4000 other Greeks.

Ethiopia was supplied weapons by Russia and other nations.
/pol/'s a bunch of impressionable morons.

As opposed to being dense and dogmatic?

1936 senpai

DAILY REMINDER

This fatass fucked sluts and killed the enemies of christianity and even died fighting like a man against them.
He lived a life 1000 times as glorious as your irrelevant garbage life.

Why there's ALWAYS a retard that post this? All the time people post genetic tests proving that modern Italians are basically the same as the Romans. Are you a newfag or you're just baiting?