The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

>inb4 IHR is always unreliable

I know there holocaust revisionism is utter shit, a /pol/ack sent me this a few days ago and it seems sourced well, but I can't seem to find anything debunking this propaganda yet, do you guys have any sources I can use to debunk this? It could also be right (which I doubt) but even if it is, it doesn't mean that the party was serving Jewish interests at all. As its the "over representation fallacy" like with the website thezog.wordpress.com, they provide no evidence of people actually furthering Jewish interests over gentile ones so they have no argument. Anyways sources to dismantle this shit would be great thanks

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>claims to shit on /pol/
>doesn't even want to refute the shit they spout

What the fuck has happened to this board

There are hundreds of images with sources debunking /pol/. They don't stop. Its not worth debating people who don't listen to reason.

They post the same shit every god damn week which desu wouldn't be completely horrible if they didn't just straight up lie.

There is no group on the internet that lie so unashamedly. At least SJWs argue their b.s. from a position of ignorance.

>what are the board rules

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Terror attacks

info graphics are shit. At least put some effort into it lad.

>Le epic hitler quote on succdem sandels pic

This thread is bound for greatness I see

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You aren't convincing anyone Yehonatan.

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That looks like a typhus victim. Also those are inmate outfits.

>you will never be a part of Chairman Sander's Blue Terror

The Russian Empire had one of the world's largest Jewish populations before WWI or so, and Jews didn't exactly fare well under the Czar (they were restricted in where they could live and what jobs they had, and their communities were regularly subjected to bloody raids by soldiers), so there were a lot of Jews joining the ranks of revolutionaries when they saw an opportunity to overthrow the regime that had repressed them for centuries. A lot of left-leaning Jews became atheist and joined the communist party after the overthrow. Jewish culture was protected for a while, though religious buildings and icons were torn down. In the 1930s though, a lot of high-ranking Jews were killed in Stalin's purge. In 1952-53, Stalin's paranoia got worse and he specifically targeted some Jews serving under him. In Brezhnev's reign, antisemitism was not uncommon, and Jews sometimes faced street violence and official harassment. Some Jews that tried to move to Israel were detained for long periods. All in all, Jews initially had good standing in the communist regime, but things weren't rosy for them altogether.
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>typhus victim
This is a really great meme. Do you know what are the symptoms of typhus? Protip: looking like a walking skeleton is not one of them.

It is more likely to occurre in a weak body then does them further. And we know the camps started struggling with supplies. Also there is a reason its know as a famine fever.

This is obviously true, but it was Germans responsibility to feed those people. The point is: it's impossible to tell if this person was killed by starvation, gassing or typhus. Either WA it's Germans' fault.

And this picture wasn't posted to prove the existence of gas chambers, but to show that deniers are dishonest, disgusting shits photoshoping genuine photos of Nazi victims. We have other sources to prove the existence of gas chambers.

That a crematorium retard, makeshift or not. The guy is already dead. The reason the camps went to shit was because the supply line were bombed. Also I just did some research on , they aren't even shooting at them, look at the was he is pointing and the rifle and then look and the woman's position. She is to his side. She is ducked next to the other to avoid crossfire.

New to the thread. Please show me your extensive research as to how the supply line bombing made the situation in the camps "go to shit". Why is it that the camps with the highest death tolls were all in Poland, far away from Allied bombing raids, while the comparatively less lethal ones were in the areas that were more heavily bombed? If the sitaution "went to shit" because of allied bombing, how come it was the Untermenschen that died in droves, but millions of French PoWs, often held in the same camps, came out with a much smaller death rate? Why did these camps build enormous cremation capacity, enough to incinerate the entire camp population in under a week, before the Axis were suffering extensive raids across their territory? Why did they place orders for gas tight doors?

First off, there was one revolution in 1917 in Russia. That can be said with some cerntainty to have had all strata of society behind it, even peasants, but obviously without intelligentsia's agitation, no February would have happened.

In July, Bolsheviks tried to coup, but failed. In October, they were more succesful. In January, they rid themselves last bit of legimitacy. Evidence surrounding Kornilov are inconclusive and it is almost impossible say was he trying to coup or was his forces summoned by Kerensky. The latter is more likely; Kerensky - for whom challenge to power came only from the 'reactionaries' - wanted to trap Kerensky by inviting him to Petrograd to put an end to Bolshevik coup (at this point, no longer reality). To his supporters, he obviously told the opposite, that Kornilov was trying get rid of Provisional Government; in other words, 'counterrevolution' was happening.

Jews, starting from 'Populist' (narodnik) movement to the assasination of Alexander II, took a large part in all major revolutionary groups. Without Mark Natanson, there would been no 'Zemlia i Volia' or 'Narodnaia Volia', and thus, without latter, no regicide in 1881 (in which, only one Jewish woman took part, giving shelter to the terrorists).

Almost all of the Jews taking part in revolutionary subversion were products of Haskalah; that is, secularized Jewish education, which Jews naively thought to pave way for acceptance by the Ortodox population, to no avail. One would think that Judaism would thus not play large part in their radicalization (and what radicalized Jewish youth? Even after Alexander II reforms, Jews were still second class citizens and mostly bound to the Pale. Such a treatment by the autocracy and society at large, is reason enough), which mostly was true, but some exceptions are known, where disillusion with the Revolutionary movement brough about keen interest in Judaism and very religious life afterwards.
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>Why is it that the camps with the highest death tolls were all in Poland, far away from Allied bombing raids, while the comparatively less lethal ones were in the areas that were more heavily bombed?
Because the camps with the supposed death tolls were in the later Soviet territory. And supply lines were specifically targeted, be it camp or other. And those supply line gotta start somewhere.
>how come it was the Untermenschen that died in droves, but millions of French PoWs, often held in the same camps, came out with a much smaller death rate
Most French PoWs didn't even work at the camps later on. There was even a deal with France to return some prisoner in exchange for normal laborers.
>giant cremation capacity
Kek its a single building with a handful of cremators each with the capacity for one body at a time.
>Why did they place orders for gas tight doors
mind translating pic? Also don't forget disinfection chambers for clothing.

Jews were overpresented (taken their 4% of population in Russian Empire in to account) in most of the groups and parties affiliated with the Populist movement. In some smaller groups, they were even the majority. This changed after the assasination of Alexander II, after which - obviously - Okrhana went to work with no restrictions and arrested 'large' (minisclue compared to the arrests of Cheka-GPU) amount of revolutionaries. This, combined with the pogroms shortly after, probably changed minds of many Jewish radicals and thus their percentange sharply declined. Many surfaced in the Zionist (Jewish Nationalist) movement and in the turn of the century, Zionists and Jewish Bund had collected very large part of the Jews previously involved with the 'Great Russian' revolutionary movement.

After the revolution of 1905, amount of Jews in the major revolutionary (if latter can be labeled such, especially regarding the loose 'bourgoise' labeling by Bolsheviks) parties - that is: SR's, SD's and Kadets - started to largely increase again. It should be noted that majority of Jews after 1905 to October coup, stayed with the real Social Democrats ('mensheviks'), and only miniscule went with the slant eyed baldie.
After Bolsheviks had solidified their hold to power, Jews started to flow to the party and all of its apparatus in large numbers. In the Cheka-GPU, in most of the branches, but especially in Kiev, they had high representation. This was a fact from early 20's to late 30's, when The Father of Nations started Russification of the security organ and their numbers declined rabidly. Not only that, but to accomodate the National Socialists, Jews were rid from many public positions.

Oh boy, now this thread transformed into full holocaust denial stupidity...

I'm sure you also found that it was inscribed On the reverse: Ukraine 1942: Judenaktion in Iwangorod. Also there ate more people shooting and there is even a body lying near them.

>there was only one revolution
Where did you lear this dank memes bro

After the war, when Jews en masse chose Israel (groundwork for which the Zionists had done since the turn of the century) instead of USSR and the former nation chose the US instead of USSR as its ally, the Father might have be said to turned anti-Jewish and the 'Doctor's plot' which he was preparing on his last breath, most likely was to be 'liquidation of rootless cosmopolitans'.

Zionists (and again I want to stress: Jewish nationalist, who wanted their own nation) did work with the Bolsheviks. How important this work was for the former cannot be said with certainty. Jonathan Frankel's 'Prophecy and Politics' is a good read on the subject nonetheless.

Jews did not completely disappear from the Communist 'scene' after the second World War. Indeed, they were major force in the Soviet Poland and many took part in the genocidal action against Poles right after the war. Jakub Berman stayed de facto 'head' of the state for rest of his life, which ended in 1984 (naturally). Salomon Morel, who headed the Zgoda concentration camp meant for Polish 'enemies of the people' after the war and who after the fall of Soviet regime, was blamed by Polish jurisdiction with crimes against humanity, was given refugee by the state of Israel.

And non of them are even pointing towards them. and by the looks of it on the other point germans and yugoslavs used that very same rifle and both have an extremely similar uniform.

And you can tell this? How? Who are they shooting then? Why was the photo named Judenaktion in Iwanogrod? It's a picture described by hundreds of witnesses, a picture showing what Einsatzgruppe members described in their reports.

This is the most obvious answer. Of course retarded lying idiots like you don't see it. Even a photographic evidence is not enough for you. I bet that if we had photos of gas chambers you would still find some excuse to call it not a real evidence.

this thread has nothing to do with the holocaust you moron

>Why was the photo named Judenaktion in Iwanogrod? It's a picture described by hundreds of witnesses, a picture showing what Einsatzgruppe members described in their reports.
Really now?
>Even a photographic evidence is not enough for you.
Wow just forget everything I wrote until now.

On a separate note. Why do you people insist so much on it being true? Wouldn't it be much better if it wasn't? Wouldn't it be better if these people weren't genocided?

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