You Europeans

>You Europeans
>Us Europeans
>European identity

Why do Americans, post-colonialist white guilters and "the new right" all do this?

America is where Old World ethnicities go to die through intermingling. Stay strong and defiant French/German/Polish/etc man, without you... there is no ethnic consciousness!

>I am useless and never achieved anything, but I belong to this vaguely defined group of people who did achieve much!!!

>I am useless and never achieved anything
I'll never understand this kind of "argument", it only shows how stupid and dehumanizing the kind of radical individualism that is peddled nowadays is, and how needed identitarianist ideologies are.
99.999% of the population will never achieve anything important, ever, basically by definition. So what? Does that make them (and them includes you and me and probably anyone you've ever known and loved, dude). By belonging to a group greater than yourself, you can be more than some little atomized nobody, as the group identity and sense of belonging that derives from it uplifts you from your condition.

Go do 20 pushups and be proud of that, stop worshiping long dead germans because you share a haplotype with them. Fucking larpers.

>Go do 20 pushups and be proud of that
How is that anything to be proud of? How is that an achievement? Pretty much everyone can do 20 pushups, how could that possibly be a personal success worth anything when there's hundreds of millions of people alive who manage to do it?
>long dead germans
I'm not german or even remotely related to germans, nor do I particularly care about them.

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>Not striving for personal greatness and instead trying to leech it off of your hablo group.

>Not striving for personal greatness and instead trying to leech it off of your hablo group.
Except those are not either or propositions, you can both pursue virtue and be proud of your group identity. But realistically, I, you, everyone else you know, are never going to do anything "great", ever, we live in a world of 7 billion, the bar for "great" is so high you can't even see it. Should people be sad that they can't be great? No, that's absurd, they also shouldn't feel like their worth is entirely tied to that, which is what is ultimately the case under a radical individualist framework.

Yeah sure I'm not opposed to "collectivism" but why under such a meme identity as the "european" or "white" one. Like there's some legitimate basis for a french identity or a working class one or a religious one as you objectively share some kind of social position but "european"? I mean why would a German have more in common with a Greek than with a Japaneese person? In this case considering their countries geopolitical and macro economic interests that is.

I don't particularly like "white identity" either, but come on, a german person has a historical background (set aside the genetic one) that is far closer to that of a greek guy than any japanese.

I dunno about that. The greek example is particularly interesting in this case. The greeks were (in) the orthodox sphere in medieval times, they were under turkish rule under the early modern period, a minor player in the imperial antagonistic period of Europe, considered a lesser race by the Germans during WW2 and during the Cold War they were a very politically divided people. Look at them now too, the euro zone hasn't really been able to deal with this. It's worsened the divide desu.

Like, referring to a common christian identity or something is something that'd make the old patriarchs look at you as if you were some kind of crazy person. I'm not saying there's no European connection but it's pretty arbitrary, espeically compared to other collective identities. And like finally: if it's a purely aesthetical thing then who am I to be sceptical. Live and let live. But is this really a basis for a political identity?

Sure, it's hazier than germany and say denmark or germany and the netherlands but it's still there, which is shown by the fact that you were able to actually list stuff. German-japanese relationships are...ww2? That's it basically
Anyway
>But is this really a basis for a political identity?
I think the basis for a common political identity under white nationalist terms would have more to do with the idea of making the race survive together, as strength is found in numbers. Which sounds less poetic but really, it's why lots of tribes or groups were merged in the first place, to be able to increase their likelihood of surviving.

Americans are multicultural, rootless mongrels

Why do westerners have this mentality that traditional pride = leeching, its about responsibility to your ancestors and to carry it on

With "I mean why would a German have more in common with a Greek than with a Japaneese person? In this case considering their countries geopolitical and macro economic interests that is." I was trying to refer to the fact the japs and krauts are both closer to the "western" (US) sphere militarily and economically than than what greeks are. Which matters leagues more than a connection through some cultural feel. I'm Swedish and I've been to the Netherleands twice. It's a lovely country, lovely art, lovely countryside but in my head I just categorize it in the same "foreign" pile as I do Greece. I'm not so naive as to argue that I didn't find Cambodia more foreign but it's still very vague.

Also why would I fight for the "survival of the race"? Human races are a meme desu~

nice strawman breh
easy 4/10

>its about responsibility to dead people and carrying on
Carrying on what? If you carry on what last generation did, you are stuck without any progress.
Good thing that the people who invented the automobile didn't carry on their responsibility towards their horse riding fathers, or the people who invented the washing machine didn't carry on their responsibility towards their hand washing mothers.

Conservatism is retarded, keeping things the same because lol worked so far :D is the dumbest thing.
The only downside of modern medicine and technology is that imbeciles like you live 90 years and can complain to the whole world about it.

Its not about technology, its about spirit as well as things like carrying family tradition, praying daily for ancestors, etc

The irony is that people like you are always socialists-multiculturalists, but when it comes to socialism you think the average person is vital for society's achievements as a whole.

>Americanski nitwit that can barely string together a correct English sentence starts talking about how he's English/Irish/French/Romanian//Persian/Chinese/Japanese/German/Italian/Greek/Polish-American.

Every time. Every goddamn time. Americans are truly pathetic human beings. Fucking Star Wars fans have more of an identity than American nationalists.

I have never actually encountered this outside of the internet and even then it is 9 out of 10 times "west" not europeans
And the "west" just means europe and some cherry-picked colonies or countries that are developed

>the irony is that *insert strawman*

You're a moron and that shows because your argument is nonsensical.

You realize that you can belong to any group that's greater than yourself and still feel proud for things you've accomplish? It can even be a fucking book club. You can be proud that you and four other people have managed to get together week after week and discussed novels in a civil way.

The choices are not between striving to become the next luminary and being a vocal nationalists. You can easily take pride in the things you're doing on a day to day basis, even if that's just not being a total piece of shit.

Which you are, because you're trying to take credit for other people's achievements, and appropriating civilizations that had nothing to do with yours only because their citizens happened to live in the same land that you're on now some hundreds of years ago.

KYS.

Is it board really that left?

No American does this. Europeans truly are full of themselves.

how is being born in the same country as some other successful person an achievement?

This board is so utterly butthurt about Americans all the time. So much shitposting herw is about Americans.

It's not really a strawman when it's legit what you believe.
Always gung ho about sins of the fathers dogshit but never the other way around

>It's not really a strawman when it's legit what you believe.

Yet another sad strawman.
Let me help you there. It is not what I believe.
Oh shit, by saying that your representation of me is false I have disarmed and defeated you. Come better equipped next time!

Everything left of a monarchy is considered communism by certain elements on this website.

European identity is still a bit valid, considering that much of Europe shared the Greco-Roman-Christian cultural background.

It's when Americans use terms such as "White Nationalism" that things get silly.

>You're a moron and that shows because your argument is nonsensical.
No, you just didn't understand anything I said.
Also
>Which you are, because you're trying to take credit for other people's achievements
No

>I'm Swedish
Well, you guys technically don't have a soul so you can't really feel connected to anything.
>Also why would I fight for the "survival of the race"?
I don't know, why would you fight for your survival?
Why would you fight for your family's survival? Why would you fight for humanity's survival? Same thing, different scale.

Not at all an unreasonable association, I mean, when speaking of the residents of the continent I might find it beneficial to call them Europeans.

why do simpletons like you exist I wonder?

do you actually think you have a realistic understanding of how the world actually works?

come on /pol/ he never said any of that

> belonging to a group greater than yourself,
What do you even do to belong to such group? I understand that not anybody is some kind of prodigies on the level of Newton or Napoleon but many people don't even study their accomplishments to reach a basic level of appropriation and respect of thing they are proud of. This is bad because it actually replaces a real accomplishment and respective complex cultural mythos with their casualised and empty versions. When you are proud of your nation's actual history, the least you can do is not to push it into literal we wuz territory.

> Germans
> Scandinavians
> Slavs
> Greco-Roman-Christian cultural background

Only the last one applies, considering everyone except the Byzantines were just larping about "We Wuz Romans n Shiet". Russians and say, Portugese have basically nothing in common with each other, even the "common" religion of Christianity is as much different than alike.

>What do you even do to belong to such group?
Depedngin on the group, you're born into it, or there might be initiation rituals.
>When you are proud of your nation's actual history, the least you can do is not to push it into literal we wuz territory.
The only people talking about we wuz in this thread are people complaining about nationalists.

If you can be proud of your ansesters then you should also feel personal shame for what they did too. You can't just accept only the positive aspects of an identity. Otherwise you are not really associating with them at all. Just Wewuzzing.