Why did japan win Russia in 1904

They were closer to frontline, that's it, that's the whole trick

Well the Russians were way over confident but actually had a shitty outdated army while Japan was young and vigorous and had a very well trained army with the latest equipment.

It's a miracle they won honestly, I read about one battle where the Russians were hopelessly outnumbered by like 20 to one in some small earthen fort but the Japanese just frontal charged it...and failed so tried again...and failed so did exactly the same fucking thing another 14 times until the Russians gave up from lack of ammo

it's like some Japanese commanders didn't get the memo in 1917 that people don't do that anymore. European armies had better tactics in 1918, let alone WW2

The voyage of the russian fleet to fight japan it's one of the most funny things ever.
One user put a green text about it that was golden.

>it's like some Japanese commanders didn't get the memo in 1917 that people don't do that anymore.
Yeah man it's a shame that those commanders didn't get the memo from 13 years in the future.

Russia's logistical challenge, overconfidence, poor supply, unhappy population and lacklustre leadership.
Japan had literally the opposite of all those things.

That "small fort" was supposedly the greatest fortress in the far east. Capturing it meant securing supplies and shipyards, and ensured stable control over Korea and subsequently Manchuria.

You're a big guy!

I was referencing WW2 in that they were doing this for a while and they still hadn't stopped by WW2

Yes but they were not big players until the end of World War 1.

Even then though they weren't big players it was the military that overthrew the tzar.

It was only when the Soviets were able to make a deal that gave them control of the military did they actually take over the country

1. Suprise: As is their wont (1592, 1941), the Japs pretty much attacked without warning, letting them secure Korea and get a first strike in on the Russian Pacific Fleet.
2. Supplies: Closer to the front, as someone said. The trans-siberian railway wasn't built to transport and supply an entire army.
3. Naval superiority: Better ships, better leaders, better seamen. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima.
4. Public Health: Many foreign observers noted that the Japanese troops were better fed than the Russians. I can't find a source right now, but I remember reading that Japan also had universal smallpox vaccination, which Russia did not.
5. Russians are dumb. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident

That being said, on land, the Japanese made many of the same mistakes that the euros would in WWI: they relied heavily on "fighting spirit" and frontal assaults on entrenched defenses. Lost a lot of men.

The trans siberian railway wasn't even finished yet in 1904.

The Russians had to move their men and supply across an entire continent to the battlefield, while the Japanese were sitting right next to it.

MIKASA UNBEATABLE
MIKASA IS MY SHIPFU

>better equipent, newer technology in naval and land arms, better logistics, literally declaring war by attacking a smaller russian fleet that traveled around the world without pause and having the whole western world on their backs.
Also known as a strategy.

This. Someone post the greentext that chronicles the voyage of the shitshow that was the Russian fleet.

>typical japanese sneak attack on port arthur
>russians underestimate japanese
>their shitty outnumbered ships get btfo
>land war is hopeless because the japanese can just dump troops on the mainland after a quick boatride
>russian troops and supplies have to take a train across the entire continent on a single rail line, trains can only travel in one direction at a time
>russian logistics break down
>russians get outnumbered
>japanese win

/r/ that one greentext which shows how much of an absolute joke the Russian navy was

Either American, /pol/ or both.
You gotta leave. Russo-Japanese war was between imperial Russia, and Japan, not soviets

To curve Russian influence in Asia and exert Japan as a world power. discord.gg/6VC5Unc

Japan kinda had poor supply too

they just managed it more properly

this
>"cyka nips"

>Why did japan win Russia in 1904
picrelated

Should have been a wake up call but, wasn't loud enough.

To die
hullwebs.co.uk/content/l-20c/disaster/dogger-bank/voyage-of-dammed.htm

Japan had supply problems too though, and were overconfident in a different way (eg. frontal charges over and over and over because yamato damashi).

The St. Petersburg's fleet even lost a battle to a fucking fishing boat.

link?

Japan eventually had to accept a peace that wasn't as favorable as they had hoped because the tide was turning against them as the war dragged on due to Russia's immense reserves.

In the largest battle in history before WW1, Mukden, the Japanese creamed the Russians despite being outnumbered and outgunned.

Holy jesus that expedition was so fucked

>sea
Superior technology and numbers. Effective use of little torpedo boats to wreck huge destroyers. Nips were the first to effectively utilize radios in naval combat. Also had better guns.
>land
Superior nippon fanaticism as well as a high command that wasn't infighting and an army that didn't consist of malnourished peasants.

how accurate is this?

It really was that bad.

The battle itself was too. Ratio of tonnage sunk was 280:1.

>letting your fleet get sunk in port by ground based artillery
JUST

Their girls were qt and the ruskys surrendered to the qtness

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Naval Legends: Battle of Tsushima
youtube.com/watch?v=g5Gy8-vT4-8
I didn't know the battle was so one-sided.

>exhausted fleet of ships built around extremely questionable principles vs a fleet operating near its home bases, has ships that are somewhat more soundly designed and outnumbers them 2 to 1