>had an autistic obsession with eyes and twins
>made a miget family act like his personal circus
>lol whould someone die if i removed his organs
He was retarded even by nazi standards and it still puzzles me how the fuck did he manage to stay in such a prominent position for so long
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honestly, if you had these fucked up ideas and you had a free reign over some expendable people that are left under your care, you'd do some fucked up shit too
He was a sociopath, but not a retard
true, maybe i overreacted by calling him a retard but i just don't see why his surperiors let him continue with his experiments when it was clear there was nothing to gain from them
>nothing to gain from them
except, you know, modern medicine. The info we learned from those trials propelled the medical field forward a thousand fold. We all enjoy the fruits of nazi cruelty because we have our cake and eat it too.
Is it Jewish propaganda that we actually learned nothing from them?
>except, you know, modern medicine. The info we learned from those trials propelled the medical field forward a thousand fold. We all enjoy the fruits of nazi cruelty because we have our cake and eat it too.
Pray tell, what exactly did we learn from Mengele's experiments. How did it "propel the medical field forward a thousand fold"?
yes
People don't like to talk about it because it clashes with the whole PURE EVIL MUST BE STOPPED ABSOLUTELY NO REDEEMING QUALITIES argument the status quo promotes about nazis. Meanwhile we took all that info into secret rooms and collectively orgasm'd at how fucking golden all the knowledge actually was and proceeded to take credit for a bunch of developments whilst completely hiding the fact that they were literally using nazi science and taking credit for it.
Sounds interesting, but WHAT did we learn from his experiments?
maybe you should actually look it up retard. He put humans through conditions that allowed us to see exactly what the human body needed to survive, exactly what it's limits were, exactly what happens when one part fails, etc. We used this information as a guideline for fixing people. For example, we learn the more about frostbite than ever before and therefore learn exactly how to treat it, exactly what will happen if it is not treated, etc. We learn what every part does, why it is necessary, what happens when it is gone, and all of that helps to treat these problems
[citation needed]
Hell, as far as I'm aware, Mengele never did any experiments with frostbite. Seriously, I can't find anything.
Care to provide some kind of article?
Nazi human experiments pretty much had no effect on the development of medical science, my retarded friend.
also
all-that-is-interesting.com
Find the source material yourself it's literally all over the internet
lot of lying jews in this thread
From the link you posted, last page:
>So what, if anything, came from all this horror?
>Not much. In what might be the cruelest irony of the Nazi reign, the scientists most likely to experiment on unwilling human beings tended to be the most careless. Many of them joined the SS because they couldn’t find respectable work elsewhere. As a result, experiments were designed with slapdash abandon and few controls; variables were rarely isolated, crazy ideas got tested while more practical research went begging, and many doctors’ lab notes were found to be gibberish.
Maybe next time you think a little bit before calling someone a retard.
>all-that-is-interesting.com
Only one mention of Mengele is even posted at all in there, and this is the entirety of what it has to say about his experiments
>Twins were the special subject of Josef Mengele’s work at Auschwitz. In actual medicine, identical twin studies can be very useful. Since both twins have identical genes, studying differences in their outcomes helps isolate genetic and environmental influences on disease. Perfectly ethical twin research (obviously not the kind conducted by Mengele) has identified genes for cancer, addiction disorders, and inclinations toward homosexuality.
>Instead, Mengele’s research involved injecting blue dye into children’s eyes and stitching kids together to make sets of conjoined twins. Mystery substances and infectious agents were injected into one twin, then the other twin would be killed within hours of the infected twin’s death so that both could be autopsied at once. In a single year at Auschwitz, Mengele experimented on 3,000 children. Only 200 were alive when the camp was liberated.
Hell, other stuff mentioned in the article explicitly points out the uselessness and lack of methodology. Concerning "Drug research and experimental surgery".
>Virtually nothing of use came from any of these experiments, and what little was discovered was either already known, or the research was so sloppy that no firm conclusions could be drawn. The subjects were tortured to death for nothing.
I might be confusing him with Unit 731, but w/e same idea.
We learned about how the human body handles extreme cold, extreme heat, electricity, microwaves and probably a bunch more shit I'm forgetting.
that's just because the article is in on the propaganda.
>literally list a bunch of ways it helped
>go on to argue that it didn't help at all
They contradict themselves
He should have stayed a field doctor on the Eastern Front. His reputation would be remarkably higher.
>He earned an Iron Cross Second Class for bravery in combat in the Ukraine in 1941. In 1942, he saved two German soldiers from a burning tank. This action earned him the Iron Cross First Class and a handful of other medals. Wounded in action, he was declared unfit for active duty and sent back to Germany.
So, let me get this straight. When asked for proof that Mengele's experiments actually advanced medicine, you knowingly cited a piece of propaganda that barely mentions Mengele and comes to the conclusion that most Nazi medical experimentation in general was useless.
Are you retarded?
I believe a number of Mengeles experiments greatly improved our understanding of hypothermia.
>In an often-cited review of the Dachau hypothermia experiments, Berger states that the study has "all the ingredients of a scientific fraud" and that the data "cannot advance science or save human lives."[11]
en.m.wikipedia.org
the modern articles are revisionism. If you actually do the research, you'll see that the nazi trials were originally referenced by dozens of scientists, who were them bombarded with attacks and utterly discredited after the fact, meanwhile they still use the hypothermia numbers. No matter how many angry articles written by angry jews exist on the google search engine after the fact, scientists used their data without a source to create their own sources so they didn't have to admit that the nazis came to the same conclusions before them. Now they could source themselves for these facts since sourcing the primary material was literally not allowed.
It would be like reading someone's script, taking all the best bits out of it, rewriting a new one including the best bits from the old, and then never giving credit to the original script because it was unethical and flawed despite coming to corrupt and useful conclusions in many cases.
So to summarize, it was flawed but still used regardless of how much we write about the flaws decades later. They inspired further, correct experiments, it's hard to say if our improved method would have improved without those steps having occurred first, at the very least as a guideline on what not to do moreso than what it offers in results.
>If you actually do the research, you'll see that the nazi trials were originally referenced by dozens of scientists, who were them bombarded with attacks and utterly discredited after the fact, meanwhile they still use the hypothermia numbers
care to source this? All you'd need to do is provide us the name of the articles and the authors
>the modern articles are revisionism.
[citation needed]
> If you actually do the research, you'll see that the nazi trials were originally referenced by dozens of scientists, who were them bombarded with attacks and utterly discredited after the fact, meanwhile they still use the hypothermia numbers.
[citation needed]
>No matter how many angry articles written by angry jews exist on the google search engine after the fact, scientists used their data without a source to create their own sources so they didn't have to admit that the nazis came to the same conclusions before them
[citation needed]
>Now they could source themselves for these facts since sourcing the primary material was literally not allowed.
[citation needed]
Come on, let's see some medical articles with unsourced data that can be linked to nazi experiments. Who exactly banned citing to a Nazi experiment, when, and where? A ban like that would be published somewhere and can be easily cited; yet I'm unaware of any. Which of these "dozens" of scientists were bombarded with attacks and discredited?
Besides which, none of it answers the question. If you knew this article was "propaganda" and shit for actually proving your point that Mengele (because I at least asked about Mengele in particular, not Nazi science in general), why did you bring it up in the first place? Instead, you've just made more claims without any sort of basis. Is there something medically wrong with your brain?
Because that stopped the Nazis before from doing violent acts...
And you learned this from... your ass?
So, let's see.
We have no information as to the extent of the Nazi research used. We have a book that is in open circulation that refers to this stuff, especially the hypothermia testing, and there is no mention about how people who use it are "bombarded with attacks and utterly discredited after the fact". We have absolutely no information whatsoever as to how vital it is to further research as opposed to other sources, and of course, the claim that sourcing the primary material was literally not allowed is blatantly false.
Furthermore, there is no mention that Mengele worked on hypothermia at all.
1/5. Surely you can do better.
Frosbite experiments were on Unit 731.
Nazi frostbite experiments were really just an excuse to torture Russians. They didn't properly control even basic variables like temperature and whether or not the victim was clothed. Besides it's not like frostbite was new in the 20th century. Literal millennia of extensive research and medical experience on treating exposure already existed, and even if it didn't experiments as poorly designed as those would be useless anyway.
Source is William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."
Not an argument stormshit
I understand people wanting to shit on nazis but you can't say they were stupid. they almost took over europe, they couldn't have been that stupid.
nobody's arguing that. your comment is off-topic
no it's not. some other guy in the thread said nazi scientists were too stupid to properly do experiments. that seems retarded considering how much I always hear about those evil nazi scientists and how they started working for NASA and shit like that.
user...Are you really this retarded?
He clearly spoke about some of the guys who performed experiments on the innocents, not about Nazi (or collaborating) scientists in general.
>By July 1942, the SS were conducting "selections". Incoming Jews were segregated; those deemed able to work were admitted into the camp, and those deemed unfit for labor were immediately killed in the gas chambers. The group selected to die, about three-quarters of the total, included almost all children, women with small children, pregnant women, all the elderly, and all those who appeared on brief and superficial inspection by an SS doctor not to be completely fit. Mengele, a member of the team of doctors assigned to do selections, undertook this work even when he was not assigned to do so in the hope of finding subjects for his experiments. He was particularly interested in locating sets of twins. In contrast to most of the doctors, who viewed undertaking selections as one of their most stressful and horrible duties, Mengele undertook the task with a flamboyant air, often smiling or whistling a tune.
absolute madman
""""scientists"""" working in the concentration camps performing dubious and cruel experiments are not equivalent to the scientists and engineers who worked on nazi aircraft, missile and jet projects. most of the latter group also were not trained in Nazi Germany, but in imperial and weimar germany. The Nazi's educational infrastructure was also lousy and politically compromised and wouldn't have produced any competent scientists in the future.
>PURE EVIL [...] ABSOLUTELY NO REDEEMING QUALITIES
not correct
>MUST BE STOPPED
correct
all of this was had very little value. the amount of suffering to gain such mundane insights absolutely wasn't worth it.
Not to mention 99% of them could have been done on monkeys or even pigs and dogs.
>hurr what happen if we remove vital organs
It's pretty impressive he lasted so long. Eichmann BTFO.
(((Berger)))
Lol so much butthurt
>how the fuck did he manage to stay in such a prominent position for so long
Gee, it's almost like the Nazis wanted the concentration camp prisoners to die. What a shock!
