Why is most of the talks related to suffering and reparations about blacks, when Indians had it much worse...

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Correct. If more Native Americans were alive, their concerns would be much better represented.

>illegal
according to what laws?

Because blacks are loud and there are more of them.

lack of private property doesn't mean they didn't have communal property. although applying the concept of illegal immigration is them is retarded

that's a stupid fucking map.

any-who:
1. we kinda already do pay native-american reparations.
2. there are a lot fewer of them than there are blacks.

> Chickasaw
> in Texas

What in the blue veined throbbing fuck?

>tfw settlers who believed that evil spirits spread disease conduct biological warfare before germ theory is even invented

>illegal immigration
Did the natives actually have immigration laws? I do believe 'encroachment' would be a much more appropriate word for the colonization of northern america.

>Aztec empire goes up to the Rio Grande

Sage this retarded thread

Indians do get a lot of special treatment from the federal government today though in addition to their semi-autonomy within the reservations.

meme

>Sioux in the Great Plains before they got hold of horses and guns

Yeah, no, this is some garbage cuck shit.

>implying that justice for the apache and comanche peoples would not have been the hanging of every man and the forced reeducation of their children.

We don't cry about animals that fell of the evolutionary wagon, why do we care particularly about failed groups of homo sapiens? It's not anybody's fault but their own that their genetics couldn't protect them and their technology was unable to fend off stronger forces. Literally Darwinism in action

There is so much wrong with that map, I don't even know when to begin
>Aztecs go up to Rio Grande
>Apache 'empire'
>Beothuk 'empire'
>confederacies only came into existence due to European influence
This is someone's althistory, isn't it?

No one actually cares. They're lying to themselves and they forgot why.

>apache empire
>beothuk empire
>showing the tribes as if they were nation states and not just groups that just followed the same general language/culture

How is disease going to pay reparations? Or should Europeans be asking mongols to pay reparations for the Black Death?

I dont think native americans had laws regarding immigration, so you can't really call it illegal.

>injuns
>national borders

what a spicy memepicture, I like how it's supposedly 2015 too

the Iroquois confederacy "confederated" way before the Europeans arrived, estimates go as early as the 12th century

Sure but it was a tribal federation, not a nation.

>genocided

>Cherokee gobbling up all that land
I feel like the person who made this alternate history map failed to understand things like how the only reason the Cherokee were portrayed in a favorable light or as one of the "greater" peoples of the Americas is directly because they adapted and westernized to a large extent, barring industrial progress before the trail of tears, but there's a lot of shit wrong with this map in general.

>nation state
>not just groups that just followed the same general language/culture

>free healthcare including dental care
>free post-secondary education
>places that will hire nates before anybody else
>housing subsidies
>tax breaks

Nates have it fucking good, at least in Canada. But they keep bitching about >muh ancestors and >muh 200 years ago and the government bends over backward to try and accommodate them more.

>canada

leafs aren't even people lol

>all these people have no idea how to read a picture

its alt history, it SAYS its from 2015

As others have pointed out, its a poor alternate history and anyone who defends or supports it, deserves to be raped, beaten or mutilated.

Speaking one language and only having one culture in your country is racist.

Injuns never organized into nations, did they?
Weren't they just literal hunter tribes?
Someone redpill me on this pls

Is this the american equivalent of the
>H
>R
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?

Giving them gibsmedats doesn't actually help them, you know. In Canada we gave/give them tons and they've turned into a permanent druggy welfare class

im sorry are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

In the US, there were a few. The Mississippi mound builders are assumed to have had something like a state, given the enormity of their projects. But they were long gone before any European came to America.
The Iroquois were the best example of civilization that we know of, having democracy, and a conception of nations.
I think perhaps the Navajo and Pueblo had something resembling an early state.
It quite interesting, research further, I'd say.

>genocide

Why do I keep hearing this? It was not a genocide. Like 95% of the natives were killed due to disease and not by the hands of settlers.

It might just be a Years of Rice and Salt situation, though I think the Aztec Empire would have collapsed long before 2015 AD anyway./

Blacks are a much larger demographic in the USA so they garner more attention. Canada has it reversed with all the attention going to Aboriginals and blacks being irrelevant in politics.

>empires,federations, nation, sovereignty
into the trash

wow op this really makes me think...

what if the europeans are the real illegals?

Selling the land for glass beads is literally what happened.

reminder Manhattan was sold to Europeans for the equivalent of $20 and some beads. They SOLD their land to us for 20 buckaroos

>approx 2015 ad
It's some shitty Deviantart alt-history. Assuming North America kept developing at the rate it did without Europe, states this large would be millennia away, especially in Canada in the northwestern US.

>implying there any Indians left
>implying all Indian tribes were the same

I mean I know idpol is stupid, but come on

They died from disease before the whites even got there, europoor disease from the Spanish in the south spread faster than the europoors did. When we finally got to /north/ America heartland we found villages already deserted and tirbes suffering from huge population lossses

why do we talk about white privilege instead of black failure?

Free post secondary? Fuck off with this meme.

It only applies to people who live on reserves and graduation rates on reserves are awful. Most natives are urbanized and will be denied funding due to that and tribal politics, including me. Its shit.

the Iroquis were one of the few tribals to understand agriculture. The majority of north American tribes simply planted corn, which quickly exhausted the land. The Iroquis planted both beans and squash with their land so they didn't have to move around so much. They still did migrate, but it was back and forth between camps for winter hunting etc.Mound builders on the other hand literally had the abandon their shit because their soil was used until worthless.

>their genetics are their fault

if earth got invaded by space aliens and you were killed by an orbital bombardment would you feel the same way about it?

just darwinism in action

when I was at McGill in 2008 I remember a professor talking about a trip she took up to a reservation in northern Quebec that was experiencing a severe HIV crisis. People were refusing to use condoms because they thought they caused cancer.

That map is inaccurate as the natives had no laws declaring legality vs. illegality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Genocide

Actually it was discovered the tribe that sold Manhattan to the Dutch didn't actually own the land. It belonged to another tribe that constantly attacked them for occupying. It, which was one of the factors that made them sell it to England.

Those Indians were the real winners since they got that stuff for free, and fucked that other tribe over.

>Apachee Empire
wooo I want to see the Emperor

so you got free public education in the city and the same chances as poor whites, stop making excuses.

The absolutely absurd size of the """"Apache Empire""" on here is triggering me

>Aztec empire having half of Texas
>Aztecs and olmecs at same time
>apache empire

I think the best part is the "Olmec kingdom" by the Yucatan as if the Olmecs were even fucking close to contemporaries of any of the rest

That map is false you know right?youtube.com/watch?v=igIi9cieN5Q

not making excuses, just correcting you on your bullshit.

Also the tax breaks only happen if you live on reserve, which again most natives do not. Cut the shit.

Black wasn't "suffering" at all. Just fucking labor, chavs of the past.

>Huron supremacy

>doesn't control lake Huron

>no Miwok
shit map/10

But who would even pay reparations?
Half the dead California natives were killed during the Spanish and Mexican periods. The other half by miners who were paid by the state government on a per body basis. The miners are dead and their descendants largely aren't wealthy people.

>Burnett was also an open advocate of exterminating local California Indian tribes, a policy that continued with successive state governmental administrations for several decades, where the state offered US$10 to US$25 for evidence of dead Natives.[11] From Burnett's Second Annual Message to the Legislature, January 7, 1851:[12]
>“ That a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the two races until the Indian race becomes extinct, must be expected."
According to the site below $10 in 1850 comes out to $293.70 today and $25 was worth $734.25

minneapolisfed.org/community/teaching-aids/cpi-calculator-information/consumer-price-index-1800

The history of California is like Avatar, except the Na'vi lost and the unobtanium was completely mined out.

>tfw you will never live in the futuristic natives timeline

Soon my friend.

shadowrun did this the best:
>magic comes back
>native shamans make yellowstone erupt
>natives steal their land back

That image is a fucking alt history map, not at all what pre Colombian America looked like

Well, the Pope divided the New World between Spain and Portugal--so, clearly, only Iberians had a legal right to settle the New World.

>Reply
There's only like .02 percent Native Americans in the U.S. all those Native American nations on that map would be like 60-90 percent white. It would require a genocide as bad as what happened to the natives themselves.

Owing to their semi-nomadic lifestyle, Native American conceptions of land ownership were never permanent. So when the Dutch came over, they turned over the land on the assumption that they would eventually vacate it.

Well, Native American populations tend to have much higher birthrates than the national average.

>they turned over the land on the assumption that they would eventually vacate it.

The natives were too naive and trusting for this cruel world.

>Using avatar as a metaphor for historical events
Made me think