ITT: We post historical facts that trigger the most people on the internet

I don't care because I know history. I know who survived and who died and when that happened and why that happened. It was actually logical from their point of view. Both German and Soviet occupations had similar operations and part of the course was the elimination of the elite and intelectuals. Officers, clergy, politicians and even olympic athletes.

If you're denying war crimes try Polish Operation of NKVD which killed 10 times as many people as Katyn. Or the Augustów roundup.

>itt: butthurt revisionists and shitposting
Colored me surprised

>I don't care because I know history.

More like you know forgeries and Goebbels propaganda.

>Both German and Soviet occupations had similar operations

One was the made for lebensraum and enslavement of poles and extermination of jews while Soviets never occupied poland, they took back Western belarus and Ukraine which were stolen from Russia in 1920.

> was the elimination of the elite and intelectuals. Officers, clergy, politicians and even olympic athletes.
The "elite" ran away to Britain and France. Eliminating clergy is always a noble effort, especially if it tried to convert belarussians and Ukrainians to catholicism. Same with officers who murdered Soviet prisoners in 1920. Too bad the soviets just put them in gulags(putting POWs in prison camps is not a war crime) and left them to the germans which executed them for Goebbels's false flag operations against the USSR.

>Wahh I can't accept that cold war propaganda created initially by nazis is cold war propaganda

As I said these historical facts trigger the internet

>Baseless revisionism and shitposting
There it is

>Stalin actually improved the life of the average russian
>Nazi Germany was an unsustainable mess even before the war
>The British always held the morally superior position
>The Holocaust is objectively THE WORST genocide in human history

Listen tankie. Goebbels doesn't have anything to do with it other than the methods that you use. You're all the same. Soviet and German apologists. Same tactics. No wonder both sides were so close for 2 years sucking each others dicks.
It's a fact that the Katyn massacre was done by the Soviets in spring 1940. Nothing you can do to change it comrade. Or that both sides divided Europe among themselves both having their own plans of conquest that in the end couldn't be reconciled. Thankfully they failed in 1920. They destroyed more after WWII but even that ended eventually. And now everybody who used to live under their occupation can tell it like it is.

>Stalin actually improved the life of the average russian
Well some sovietologists say that Lenin was a worse bastard than Stalin. It's debatable if Stalin was an improvement. I'd call it a different flavor of absolute horror.

>The Holocaust is objectively THE WORST genocide in human history
No that would be Mao's cultural revolution.

>The Holocaust is objectively THE WORST genocide in human history
I mean if you count "deaths per day" then the Rwandan genocide is worse
having ~1.000.000 deaths in a 100 days
while the holocaust (using the highest estimate of 11.000.000) had about ~700.000 deaths in a 100 days.

None of these should be even remotely controversial.

>No that would be Mao's cultural revolution.
>Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people
Does the cultural revolution count as a genocide? I know he tried to eradicate part of Chinese culture and way of life, but wasn't all those deaths thanks to his lack of competence, and not from an INTENTIONAL attempt to eradicate the Chinese people?

Yes please. This is an area that I always wanted to hear some dissenting perspectives on, but couldn't be bothered to do the research myself.

It's just the umbrella term for all the typical revolutionary fucked up shit that always take place during communist revolutions. Like the fields of death and shit like that though I don't know i China ever had something like this.
Of course this allowed Mao to become the number 1 mass murderer in human history. It's easy if you live in China.

Gorbachev eventually admitted that Katyn was a Soviet crime (which everybody knew already but still it was a big thing since it was official). However he still had a lot of doubts and had to be convinced to release the documents. Still to this day Russia hasn't released the so-called Belarussian list.

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>The Holocaust happened
>Hitler did everything wrong

>facts

Don't you know that facts were created by cold war nazis bourgeois? Check your class privilege.

"Waahh you T-tankie"

Sorry for not repeating timothy Sneyder's and Robert Conquest's BS

>No wonder both sides were so close for 2 years sucking each others dicks.
2 years? you're a fucking ignoramus. The nazis always made their intentions of genociding the USSR clear and Soviets did everything they could to stop german expansion. it was the support of the western elite through the means of loans, forgiving reparations and appeasement of Nazi germany in hopes of making it a bastion against communism that caused uit to invade entire Europe.

> Thankfully they failed in 1920.
The soviets were invaded by every single capitalist empire in the world and still survived. That's not a failure

>And now everybody who used to live under their occupation can tell it like it is.

Most soviets and eastern europeans have fond memories of the USSR and believe that life was better back then.

Northern Europe was relatively backwards compared to China, the Middle East, and India for most of history.

>Soviets did everything they could to stop german expansion

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact stopped German expansion?

News to me.

This pact broke new ground. A non-aggression pact between countries that didn't even share a border.
Really makes you think.

The whole news of the Katyn massacre was spread by the nazi propaganda machine from the start as a smear campaign against the soviets, yet with the nazi track record of truthfulness, this whole story was mostly a lie from the start.

A body of a Polish officer, Josef Kuligowski supposedly murdered in katyn wasn't even uncovered there, it was found near Volyn, the Ukraine. In addition to that, showed from the level of decay and that he wasn't killed before late 1941. And most damning of all, his body was found in a mass grave with children, and it was confirmed that this mass shooting was made by the nazis. All the bullets in used to kill the officers were german and made in 1941 too. To the whole bullcrap of soviet officers using german pistols because they kicked less, this is just confirmation bias that soviet weapons are inferior and retarded ignorance. The tokarev TT and nagant aren't any less comfortable than any german pistol.

Prior to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact the Soviets offered the French and British an alliance against Germany. The Poles protested and had it blocked.

Prior to that, the Soviets offered the Czechs military protection should the Germans invade. The British protested and forced the Czechs to surrender the Sudetenland to the Germans.

Prior to that, the Soviets sent military support to the Spanish republic to protect themselves against Fascist aggression. The British blockaded the Spanish fleet in the Mediterranean to allow Franco to land in Seville.

I don't support the M-R pact, but it is absurd to pretend that it was the British who were trying to contain Germany, and the big bad Soviets who fucked everything up.

The soviets wanted the annexation of czechoslavakia to be stopped by military force. The western empires, and most vocally, poland, refused to allow this. Speaking of non-agression pacts, Poland made one with nazi germany before the USSR as well. Did they help the Nazis divide Europe as well?

Of course they did you fuckwit, they are indoeuropeans, that's the whole point of the "indo" part

Nothing can be objectively the worst, don't post until your IQ is out of the double digits

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanisław_Swianiewicz

You're equally bad as holocaust deniers. Same shit, same misinformation. You can preach your bullshit but I still hate you all.

>Passed by a train station near Katyn
> separated from other prisoners
>did not witness the massacre

That isn't proof for the massacre and contradicts all other facts, including the body found in Ukraine. Its a fact that like him, the other officers were sent to the gulag and abandoned after the german invasion.

>preach your bullshit
Stating facts because I was decieved by right wing cold war historians for years
>I still hate you all.
The feeling is mutual

Philippinos are the most the powerful race in the world.

Not according to most historians currently. They think aryan peoples were swarthy middle eastern looking people and looked no different than todays north indians.

>The soviets were invaded by every single capitalist empire in the world and still survived. That's not a failure
KEK

No, they weren't.

>Most soviets and eastern europeans have fond memories of the USSR and believe that life was better back then.
They don't.

>Most soviets and eastern europeans have fond memories of the USSR and believe that life was better back then
Pole here. None of my parents or their parents have fond memories of those times. Quite opposite, in fact.

Didn't the self-proclaimed anti-imperialist USSR invade Finland, Poland (twice), Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, Georgia, Iran, and the Baltic states? Hmm...

>The soviets were invaded by every single capitalist empire in the world
So this is what it looks like when you're on Commie kool-aid.

>Most soviets and eastern europeans have fond memories of the USSR
People were literally celebrating when the USSR collapsed. The world over. My own Polish grandparents cried with joy, the only time I remember seeing my grandfather cry was when Poland left the USSR and he could finally go home.

And I'm bulgarian and almost everyone I know except noveau riche criminals, politicians and western NGO workers say that they're living worse off than under socialism. One our friend's family lost their livelihoods after the Bulgarian shipbuilding industry was privatized and they were layed off. Now they have to work shitty wagecuck jobs.

UK
Empire of Japan
Poland
USA
German Empire
Finland
France
Czechoslovakia

All invaded the USSR in the intervention

>50%+ of Romanians, Former Soviets, Yugoslavians, East germans, Bulgarians consider the living standard better in their countries compared to capitalism

>Triggered right wing burger detected

Stuff like this makes me believe the horseshoe theory.

Soviets and Nazis became friends with benefits for two years when they needed each other. Can't deny their similarities.

>Most soviets and eastern europeans have fond memories of the USSR and believe that life was better back then.
This doesn't prove anything other than that people are fucking stupid. People always look back at the past with rose tinted glasses.

>tankies actually believe this

Well, I really don't know what to say to you people. If I present statistics, you dismiss them as being meaningless because the people were miserable. If I present the opinions of the people, you dismiss them because people are fucking stupid. It seems the only evidence you accept is that which confirms your preconceptions.

What is the Ptolemaic dynasty?

Stalin wrote back the Intelligence official to tell his source to "go fuck their mother" when he received a report that German attack was imminent 5 days before Barbarossa.

Is this is a thread, where white college kid tankies, tell eastern europeans, how our life actually was under soviet union, and how much they improved our countries(by russification, population replacement,gulaging people who didn't want turn their family properties into kolkhoz and share it with illiterate russian colonists, not to mention building stupid ammounts of heavy industry which can only work with steady flow of soviet resources instead of letting us continue
succesful economic develeopment plan for light industry, transit and farming & fishing industry, which would be atleast for the most part localy sustainable.)

>"MINOX" smallest consumer photo camera in world during 30s/40s and possibly some time after that, made in my country - Latvia, right before soviet occupation. Not to mention, that our industry, in themid to late 30s had started to build fighter planes,civilian and military radios, trucks, and bunch of other stuff. Also Latvia was ~90% literate pre-occupation, unlike "advanced" and "progress" bringing "soviet union"

>The reformation was a good thing

Do you mean facts or "facts"?

Killing Rosa Luxenburg was a good thing.

[Citation needed]

He meant (((facts)))

Communism is the most effective economic system for post industrial society

But the M4 actually was a tough tank.

>nostalgia = fact
I bet you are one of these eastern euro expats that live in a 1st world country and are extra patriotic to their home country, even though they left it while being a little shit.

>other countries send ait to support monarchist and democratic factions in Russian civil war against the Bolsheviks
>"hurr they invaded the USSR"
Are you fucking stupid?

Put that graph next to the oil price pr global economic history and go fuck yourself.

Latin Empire is Roman Empire

The horseshoe theory is accurate.

I'm bumping this so that people read this brainwash.

It was a light tank that lacked serious firepower and armour. It was successful in the pacific because Japan's tanks were shit and glorified armoured troop transports. The fact they produced 10 shermans for every panzer was what gave it success in Europe, and even then they had to configure it so that 1 in every 7 shermans would be upgraded with a new 76mm gun because they couldn't do anything to heavier German armour in 1944

Have you ever been to southern Europe? Have you seen the sheer amount of aqueducts, temples, roads, and other forms of architecture still there, and in some cases, STILL IN USE.
They certainly did apply it. They enriched the lands they ruled far more than any other empire before or since.

>Roman Empire was overall for the worse as the more it conquered the more likely it was to fall
>a Carthaginian empire would have been superior as demand for new markets would have started colonisation faster
>Danes could be bought off with gold rather than standing armies thus strengthening monarchy
T. Austin Peterson

Black as coal, cracka.

>Southern Europe
You mean the ones built during the Islamic golden age? That's why /pol thinks Italians aren't white

Not him but
>The majority of Iberia = South Europe
>Implying the muslims ever conquered Italy
Also if we're going to play that Game, I'm pretty sure the Aya Sofya Mosque, one of the greatest mosques in the islamic world, was the Hagia Sophia before it was captured by the Turks, and was built by the christian byzantine emperor

>Should I continue?
Absolutely not, fuck off to leftypol. Katyn denial is literally no better than Holocaust denial.

>Stalin actually improved the life of the average russian
>The Holocaust is objectively THE WORST genocide in human history

You fuck off to leftypol as well. All Stalinboos and Maoboos deserve death.

Underrated posts.

One of the few "facts" in this fucking thread.

Austin Peterson the libertarian faggot?

>For all we know

Oh good, absolutely nothing of substance then.