This isn't an Anarchy thread...It's a Humanities kind of thread

This isn't an Anarchy thread...It's a Humanities kind of thread.

What I want to know is what you all genuinely think of the National Sex Offender Registry and the stipulations that states give to those who are on it.

Last I checked there were over 850,000 people on the SORNA list and 1/4 of them were under the age of 18 when they were placed on it.

Personally, I think it's a travesty to lump together people who got drunk and urinated in public or mooned someone in public with people who have abducted, raped, and killed children as young as 3 years old.

There is no discrimination of the stipulations on the registry. Some may only spend a few years on the list and some may be on it for life, but while on that list, each state is free to impose their own stipulations that ALL people on the registry must follow.

Some of them include New Yorkers MUST stay home on Halloween Night or face being arrested. No going out to dinner or an adult friend's party...

In some states they cannot even enter shopping centers, zoos, movie theaters, etc, etc. Some states have effectively created leper colonies because the offenders cannot find housing.

So, what do you think, /his? Do we punish people for sexually linked crimes because of our puritan roots? Does the registry do any good? Is it just punishment for punishment's sake?

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nypost.com/2013/10/11/teen-who-faced-sex-offenders-list-for-streaking-commits-suicide/
wsoctv.com/news/local/new-proposal-forces-sex-offenders-to-pay-to-be-on-nc-registry/528293455
youtube.com/watch?v=mdQl-fiGfjU
youtube.com/watch?v=lygigiCJu2o
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The broadness of what constitutes a "sex offender" is the most disturbing thing to me. If you molested a child or raped a woman though, I have no fucking sympathy for how your life ends up after you serve prison time.

Sooooooo
This is clearly an FBI honeypot
Thanks Hiroshimoot, glad to see you are so well financed

I remember people telling me that people on the list were sick and compulsive offenders with incredibly high re-offense rates.

It turns out that people are using re-arrests for things like parole violation (which could be having a smart phone, missing curfew, forgetting/failing to register) as a way to bump up re-offense stats.

When you look at sex offenders who actually go out and commit other sex crimes, they have the second lowest re-offense rate (4%-5%) following murderers (1%-2%)

So why is it that there are no registries for people who have repeatedly assaulted people, abused spouses/children, or sold narcotics?

Is anarchy just against the existence of government or is it some sort of communal crypto-socialism like I've heard a few times here?

Agreed. Currently, NY is working on a bill to create a registry for domestic abusers.

Now, these are typically people who are much more likely to re-offend than most sex offenders, but it sets a very dangerous precedent.

As to the second part of your comment, I disagree. While what they did may be terrible, they generally serve longer sentences. Punishing them for life and making it nearly impossible to re-enter society sounds like a good way to ensure they stay a criminal. What happened to paying their debt to society?

In my opinion, it's a glaring acceptance that our corrections system just does not work.

I associate it with true libertarianism. It's a utopia for some but just wouldn't work.

If you're familiar with Shays' Rebellion, they were Libertarian/Anarchist and were just branded as shitty people by the American Federal Government when most of them were farmers and businessmen who had fought in the revolution and were tired of their land and property being seized to pay off debts.

>Personally, I think it's a travesty to lump together people who got drunk and urinated in public or mooned someone in public with people who have abducted, raped, and killed children as young as 3 years old.
>There is no discrimination of the stipulations on the registry. Some may only spend a few years on the list and some may be on it for life, but while on that list, each state is free to impose their own stipulations that ALL people on the registry must follow.
>Some of them include New Yorkers MUST stay home on Halloween Night or face being arrested. No going out to dinner or an adult friend's party...
>In some states they cannot even enter shopping centers, zoos, movie theaters, etc, etc. Some states have effectively created leper colonies because the offenders cannot find housing.
Look, I know America is a fucked up place, but seriously, you need to sort out your legal system ASAP. No, there is no reason for someone who urinated in public while drunk to be on the same list as child rapists. And yes, I suppose it's just the popular trend of "being hard on crime".

The most commonly accepted definition of anarchy is the abolition of hierarchy (state, capitalism etc)

I get so pissed at my country when I see shit like this. Just the other day I saw a news special on "Lunch Shaming." Many schools have programs for kids who can't afford the daily school lunches (~$2.50) but kids who rack up debt are given "alternate lunches" which are like cold cheese sandwhiches and a milk, not that the average school lunch is nutritious.

We can't afford to feed our children a decent meal, yet we waste BILLIONS on this stupid war and monitoring people that don't need monitoring..

lol what? Those two things are in no way even remotely comparable.

>yet we waste BILLIONS on this stupid war and monitoring people that don't need monitoring..

And a lot of those people most certainly do need monitoring.

very few of the people on the registry are compulsive and repetitive offenders that need monitoring. a quarter of them were placed on the list before they were 18. Sure, there are some violent rapists, but many of them are also guys that slept with girls who lied about their age, had some CP but never even considered touching a child in real life, etc.

Some of the offenses that can get you on the registry are ridiculous. How many thousands and thousands of dollars do we spend making sure that Mark doesn't go near schools or parks because he got drunk and went streaking at a football game?

How about a dumb 15 year old playing a prank killing himself because of the life the registry entails? Suicide among sex offenders is disproportionately high and while some of them really do need monitoring, most of them just made a dumb choice...that's no reason to punish them for life. Retribution=/=Justice

nypost.com/2013/10/11/teen-who-faced-sex-offenders-list-for-streaking-commits-suicide/

North Carolina is now working on a bill that would force those that the government has placed on the registry to pay for their own punishment

wsoctv.com/news/local/new-proposal-forces-sex-offenders-to-pay-to-be-on-nc-registry/528293455


Other violations of the registry can be failing to update important information like you grew/shaved a beard and or had your hair color changed. In some areas, you have only 24 hours to report these changes or face another felony SEX charge and probably 5-10 years prison time.

"HR1761: Protecting Against Child Exploitation Act of 2017" also passed.

On the surface it looks like a good thing...protecting kids against sexting, but that is already a crime...production of cp.

What this bill allows is the Federal Prosecution of minors who sext each other...Opening them to a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 years...

We can see problems like this all over. In many states 17 is the age of consent to have sex with someone over the age of 18. You can be in a committed relationship involving sex and even children, but if you send a picture, you're fucked.

In the Carolinas, two teens (16+17) were arrested for possessing nude photos of each other and were require by state to be tried as adults...what a clusterfuck.

this shit is fucked up. i remember a case a while bacj where a guy was charged with possession of cp from his own nudes from when he was younger. glad i don't live in britain where even drawings could get you charged

I don't think there is any arguments that leads to tyrany quicker than
>think about the children
I feel like monster saying this but there are costs too high for protecting children. Also some of these laws are just draconian and lack flexibility. When you can prosecute a 15 year old for sending naked picture for distributing CP your system is fucked.
Although as gay man with no child I may be the demographic least sympathetic to the children.

Right? Hell, In places like Texas and Minnesota, many of the more violent offenders for things like rape and sexual assault are never even really released from prison.

They serve their sentence and are then placed under "Civil Commitment" where they live in halfway houses and wear ankle monitors and their freedom is still incredibly restricted and they are forced to undergo pyschotherapy that I guess is akin to Conversion Therapy...

I remember the registry went to SCOTUS for an 8th amendment verdict as cruel and unusual. The justices agreed that it's not a punishment.

Fast forward a few years and people who had moved to other countries were being rounded up by the Feds for not reporting to the Police for the registry so they couldn't "...escape their punishment." Well, US v Nichols overturned that, but then of course they start a bill that requires our government to notify foreign governments when a sex offender is traveling to their nation and there is a mandatory visual marking on sex offenders' passports.

You could fly to Germany or something, land, and they could just turn you away.

This 19 year old guy got 4 nudey pics from his 17 year old gf. They were legally allowed to fuck each others' brains out and get pregnant, etc.

youtube.com/watch?v=mdQl-fiGfjU

This kid hooked up with a girl he met on a dating app. She was 14 and told him she was 17 (legal age). She admitted she lied and asked that the boy not be punished...too bad.

youtube.com/watch?v=lygigiCJu2o

No, I wholeheartedly agree.

1. Nationalistic Pride
2. Think of the Children
3. Religion

are the leading causes of tyranny. When our law makers are standing on the floor quoting scripture as a supporting reason to pass a bill, you know something is wrong.

Yeah, I find it interesting that is so easy to make people willingly give up things that are in their own self interest if you phrase it the right way. It is honestly rather depressing to think about. And maybe that is a side effect that leaders like.

At the cost of sounding pompous I will describe myself as an intellectual. Maybe the system we live is supposed to keep most people distracted, some people coopted, and others filled with a crushing sense of inevitability. I would put myself in the third category. It is interesting to be aware of a manipulation while at the same time not properly fighting it.

It's the arbitrariness of the laws that gets me.

In many states, the age of consent is 17...or is it? In New York, laws permit people as young as age 13 to engage in lawful sex so long as one party is no older than 15..unless they've been in a relationship for so long (Romeo and Juliet clause). Then, once you're 15, you can have sex with 15, 16, and 17 year old, but no more...unless relationship. Then, once you're 17 you can have sex with anyone 15-99...but don't you dare send a picture to them because that's CP.

These laws were created to stop the commercial production of CP which often entailed abusing children, drugging them, and selling the material.

What about a 15 year old who has the right to take a photo of herself? Does she now no longer have the right to send it to whomever she wants? Sure she does, but the guy has no right to see it because that makes him a pedophile.

I agree. All it takes is to realize that the Average American is pretty damn dumb and susceptible to being coerced/influenced.

Then, if you're not wealthy and in politics, you can have the best ideas and policies ever, but you have no way to effect them. We are in essence powerless.

People that believe we have a Democracy irritate me.

We have lost our Independent Spirit. It reminds me of a scene from Game of Thrones when someone is saying that the smallfolk (peasants) pray for the return on the Targaryens as their rulers...another man corrects him and says the smallfolk pray for a good harvest and a short winter, they don't give a shit who sits the throne.