China

>Communist China
>successful
Pick one. China was shit under Mao and drastically began to improve after his death and China underwent huge economic reforms with end results that weren't communism.

Despite how shitty and retarded it was, Mao China was better than 1850-1950 China.

Because communism is perfectly adapted to the mediocre nature of the chinese race.
You wouldn't even need communism to make them behave like they do.

It was called "Century of humiliation" for a reason

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Life in 1950s Russia was better than life in 1850s Russia. WHO'D HAVE THUNK?

>mediocre race

If Chinese are mediocre, what does that make Germanics banging stones together for a thousand years before they ruined Rome?

Life in 1949 China was hell on Earth. Great strawman argument though!

Gorbachev was an incompetent alcoholic that opened up the USSR to outside economic adn social forces all at once. PRC did it over the span of 30 years instead

Because China isn't communist/thread.

>muh "real communism"

How is China communist? They're just an authoritarian capitalist dictatorship.

Technically speaking they are actually an authoritarian mercantilist dictatorship.

This, he drank the political kool-aid coming from the West.

They aren't a dictatorship in any way. If so, tell me who is the dictator.

do you know what heavy industry is?

>How is China communist
its run by the communist party

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Life in 1850s Russia was better than life in 1850s Qing China.

You try dodging state decline, corrupt officials, opportunistic foreigners, drug abuse, famine, banditry and the most lethal civil war in its history.

Russian serfs had it easy compared to the Chink peasant.

>Current Prime Minister of Chinkdom.
That's like saying Hu Jintao or Deng Xiaopeng were dictators lmao.

The real head of the CCP is the Politburo, not some one man.

Biggest reason was that China checked out of the Cold War. They didn't need to spend hundred of billions on defence against any superpower.

China's comfortable relationship with the US allowed their market reforms to give them access to many more of the world's resources, while the Soviet sphere relied on a far smaller resource base that was less productive than the West.

If detente had not ended, the USSR probably could have survived. Market reforms a la China would have prolonged the government, and the transition to a market economy would have been far less brutal than what Russia endured in the early 90s.

Is Deng basically the Tito of China?

Full communism is a society with a democratic economy and no state. This hasn't existed, and I'm not aware of any socialist movement that declared their society to be communist.

Its a plutocracy. Xi prolly has less power than Trump. Its still authoritarian, but its run by committee otherwise Xi would be President for life which he will get replaced on the parties schedule instead.

Considering China didn't collapse when he died: no.

They did not have real communism past the 70s and they did not throw a massive part of their economy at military stuff.

I don't see how that fits at all. Tito was a revolutionary leader key to the founding of the state. His conception of socialism was that a market centered around democratic workplaces was a better transitional phase than the Soviet plan of state control.

Deng took control of an existing state structure and liberalized the country to promote its economic growth and international prominence.

Gorby drank the kool-aid and genuinely thought that with the power of free speech and human rights everyone would love socialism. When people disagreed very vocally, he refused to shoot them, because everyone has their opinions. Deng didn't give two shits whether or not you liked him, he was going to fix the economy. Deng realized that in a one-party state not everyone gets to have an opinion.

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(((Larry Summers))) "helped" Boris "I need another bottle of vodka" Yeltsin "restructure" the economy so the various major ex-state industries fell into the hands of the (((oligarchs))) such as pic related.

>Gradual economic reforms
have you read the little red book? its all part of the plan. let capitalists build up industry, then seize the means of production.

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what is Maoism then

It went into economic modernization before political.

it'll never liberalize desu

China doesn't follow Maoism.

State control of economy with emphasis on mass ideological mobilization and development of the peasantry.

Any elaboration on this?

>successful

Do you think North Korea is a demokratic republic?

China is effectively an oligarchic bureaucracy, just like Cuba and North Korea are effectively monarchic regimes.

They are all technically "socialists", although China is the one who moved away from orthodox marxist theory the furthest and that's probably why it adapted itself better to the modern world economy.

Paper tiger USA money laundering industry

the party is the dictator

Nixon

the oligarchs are a meme desu. they were only a manifestation of a deeper economic phenomenon. read an actual book on 1990s russia and the reality is much different.

How so?

You can't just post something like that without explaining it.

This. There are no rich Russians really, the oligarchs are just a meme.

Please tell us more about "real" communism

4 modernisations

Communism isn't "the actions of communist governments". Communism is a hypothetical future society with a completely different mode of production.

I feel like /pol/'s obsession with Jews, while initially tongue-in-cheek has developed into full blown antisemitism

It stopped being communist.

It's a lot easier to tell people that the economy is in the shitter because they're being oppressed by a phantom social class than letting them know they're being outproduced by children making $1.80 an hour and working 20-hour workdays.

>Larry Summers
Not him, the other one.

So are you saying it's not true communism?

>implying things get better just because your clock moved a couple times

Mao was the impetus for the great change in China that made them the superpower they are today. Maybe someone could have done it better, but he certainly did more for China than almost anyone else.

yes exactly

So let the capitalists take your means of production so you can retake them back? That's brilliant.

They got the "with" and "Chinese" parts correct at least.

Well yeah. They were getting invaded, enslaved and exterminated by the Japanese.

Stop /threading yourself.

Catalonia was considered a communist society by the rebels.

Source?