Is it possible to make money gambling?

I know that in the long run, you will lose. But what about doing many small games? surely you can develop strategies that'll increase your odds of getting out with wins most of the time, right?

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Play poker.

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My thoughts are that on a lot of games, the only way to win would be to leave if you make immediate wins. Don't stay, because it's more likely you'll lose if you remain playing.

I think trading is the better use of your time though, casinos wouldn't exist if they couldn't remain profitable by maintaining their probability edge.

To an extent, trading is similar to gambling, but with trading you can try to increase your odds through using technical analysis which shows you what tends to happen in the recent past. This helps to place yourself in the best position, you believe, possible. You can also hedge yourself in trading. Ideally, when you win, you win big, win you lose, you lose small. And you focus on dips, peaks, and trends you try give yourself the best odds.

The majority of people who, both, play at a casino and who trade, end up losing. But a casino is rigged against you. If you can survive early stages in trading, and learn those hard lessons, you can continually improve upon identifying the best entry/exit points and continually to improve your odds.

"No."

Gambling is always a losing proposition. No "strategies" can ever erase the mathematical edge built into the games. If you play long enough you will lose everything.

You can shift this inevitable outcome to the long term by using a strategy like Martingale (double after each loss, restart after each win) but you're essentially just playing a "reverse lottery". Tiny payoff for huge risk. It's not worth it and eventually you'll get streaked out no matter how big your bankroll is.

Yes, most of the time you'll win. But it doesn't matter. Because when (not if, when) you eventually get streaked you'll lose all those previous winnings and more.

Stay away from gambling. It's for low IQ retards.

>And you focus on dips, peaks, and trends you try give yourself the best odds.

*And you can focus on dips, peaks, and trends to try give yourself the best odds.

If you have a minimum 58-60% edge, you can use the Kelly Criterion for profit maximization in the long run. Anything else is irrational gambling.

This is the one and only exception but requires a basic understanding of the game and good discipline. The online games nowadays are pretty shit but it's still fairly easy to make money playing live. You need a decent bankroll though and a lot of time. Poker isn't like in the movies where you walk in and triple up in some crazy full house vs. quads vs. royal flush hand. It's a grind, slowly exploiting your opponent's tendencies to squeeze out some profit.

t. made $2k this weekend playing 2/5

Made 800 off a 6 dollar parlay from the UFC last night. Got 9/9 right. But honestly that will almost never happen again in my life. Way less than 1% chance. In other words, Gambling is a bad deal but if you must do sports gambling or Poker where its 50% skill and 50% luck. NEVER play the house long term. YOU WILL LOSE. The stats of how Casino skim small amounts from millions of idiots is amazing.

Poker cause you can beat other players. Blackjack you can actually beat the house but you need a huge bankroll to make it worthwile.
There is also a scratch ticket in the usa where the jackpot sometimes grows enough to make it worth playing. This is usually done by some people who can afford to invest about a million in scratch tickets.
Then there is looking for bargains. I'm sure somewhere, somehow there are badly designed lotteries and games that you can actually beat. Like with trading and investing, you have to do your research and only bet when you're certain to win.
Which brings me to sports betting. It's not crazier than speculating on options, though fhe spread tends to be higher. Anyway, there are people who are good enough at picking horses to make a living out of it.
So yeah, you can make money gambling, but like any entrepeneurial activity you have to be good, otherwise you're just going to lose.

On very rare cases, you can find a game or two that gives a very small edge if you play PERFECTLY and at the highest wager. I seem to recall that the video poker machines at the Palm over in Vegas had something like an average return of $1.005 to the dollar if you play every hand optimally. They also serve free drinks of a very large selection which is a nice bonus. If you're a high roller and a regular, they'll sometimes offer special promotions (to try and make you spend more) making the return a bit more positive.

Oh and btw you must have a positive expected value on every bet. Also you must bet well within the bounds of the kelly criterion, which basically means you need to have a huge bankroll and make tiny bets.

The "vig" on sports betting is usually 5%, more than any casino game on the floor. I really doubt you know the lines better than the statisticians who set them for a living, especially consistently enough to beat the "vig".

Sports betting has the illusion of skill but it's degenerate gambling for 99% of participants. There is a horrible confirmation bias with sports bettors: when you win it was because of your spot-on analysis, when you lose it was just a fluke or "the game was fixed". At least people who play blackjack or roulette can't have any delusions about whether the game is in their favor.

The real winners in the sports racket are the bookies.

Physical casinos yes you can win. online casinos are a scam with all kind of kill codes. you win too much and site admins force losses as easy as clicking a button sites like bitsler fortunejack etc are a total scam

Short term? Yes, but the odds are against you
Long term? No.

I know it sounds totally stupid given the odds, but roulette is the only game I play and can do well with. My theory is that the trade off for the bad odds with greater simplicity is worth the risk. I can never, ever win in blackjack. With roulette it also seems easier to truly just walk away with winnings. Blackjack moves so fast and it seems hard to sort of assess the situation. With roulette you can pull a bet so easily or take a few spins off to watch for a bit. Sitting down at a table makes it feel like it's necessary to spend a lot of time there.

you have to find special promotions or mispriced games (very rare). When you factor in comps you have an edge but most games our negative EV (expected value). Involves a lot of legwork, grinding, and investigation

Can you just walk into any casino and beat a game bast on pure strategy, probably not. The games are math, you will not win in the long term because the casino decides the house edge

Stuff like poker where you compete against other people is probably more winnable in the long run, but basic strategy is now widely known so it's probably way tougher than it used to be

Sadly most people walking into a casino are probably better off at the roulette table than blackjack. Basic strategy blackjack is the best casino game, retard-off-the-street blackjack strategy is one of the worst.

That being said, roulette is still absolutely atrocious. I find it hilarious American casinos literally invented a new number just to squeeze out another 2.5%. As if 18/37 odds weren't bad enough.

Gambling can be entertaining but it's important to view the house edge as the price of admission, not something you can ever hope to overcome. You pay $10 to go see a movie. You're paying ~$5 for the excitement of throwing down $100 on red and watching the spin.

Try trueflip.io/ pretty good chances atm

Yes, you can win. But don't listen to idiots saying roulette or a martingale is a winning strategy.

Poker is beatable if you have an edge over other players higher than house rake

Blackjack with card counting

Sports betting is beatable long term using various methods, mainly line shopping, bonus whoring and some others. But your roi is generally low and gets lower as players/casinos/the market adjusts over time.

this guy is correct. Or was correct. Most bigger vegas casinos have changed the pay tables on video poker. That is what the odds are based on. Some machines, depending on the variant, have a payout of 100+% over the course of the machines life based on the paytables.

Most local casinos provide better pay tables than the strip.

Source: Parents retired in Vegas and my dad only plays video poker. Keeps spreadsheet of profit/loss at every casino, even down to the machine #.

Ok, i work in the gambling sector.

Stay away from 98% games. Like slots, roulette. You will always lose.

Roulette: The only way to win are biased wheels, wheels with errors, you can make calculations based on 1000's of spins to see the wheel is biased.
Any other tactic will only result in failure. I've simulated millions of spins. No tactic works.


Slots: You'll always play 98% of your bets. Stay away.

Poker: You might have a chance with poker, but you'll need to be really good, read different books tactics, follow up on players, invest massive time and expect a loss in the beginning.

Sports betting: This is the only game you can have an edge with. Lower league's and local leagues aren't really well know to the bookmakers, you can find opportunities through twitter and google translate.

Yeah exactly. I go to a casino maybe every few months and never put much time into learning strategy. If I play blackjack there are always "wtf are you doing" moments from friends and dealers. Don't even bother much anymore. Usually go in with $100 and expect to lose it all.

Roulette players nag all the time the game is fixed. "with magnets and shit"

red/black or pick a number are not the only ways to play roulette. -22 +111 on 2/3 lines is quite nice with odds in players favour on every roll increasing over time. wait for 00s to begin on next spin. real casinos are best because you can wait while other players get hit to begin and take a piss break after a few hits and come back to start again.

Every roll has the same odds. You never get to the point where it's in favour for the player

Ok let's take sports betting for example. If I put $10 into every game betting on the stronger team/player, isn't that a guaranteed return in the long term? Statistically, the strongest win more. Seems bulletproof to me. Anything wrong with that strategy?

if someone offers you 50/50 bets then take it of course. the casinos vary the odds so the bets for the winning teams pay less than the bets for the losing teams.

Well yeah they pay less but if you want to be safe that's the smart thing to do, right? if you win more than you lose then at the end you're the one making money.

sure, just be really lucky :^)

just stay away from it.
strong team gets very low gains.
crappy teams are losing and % of gains suddenly drops in last several minutes before betting is closed (there is one site where you can see x20-x30 while betting is up..... but in history there is almost no games like that - cause in last moment huge money poured in)

there are betting sites for sharing predictions....

i can say that you can check history of best predictors...they are only slightly above just flipping a coin.

i listened such "experts" and lost some money =-/ also tried my stupid strategy and failed too.... will not share it cause it was losing strategy anyway.

if it was with magnets they would have to be moveable or the table would eventually figure out which one is hitting.

Wrong.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

short answer: no

long answer: I've been working since early '90s to build gambling machines with pre-determined wins/losses. Web gambling just destroyed our business, but whatever, we still sell from time to time gambling solutions to extract money from gullible people purses.

>inb4 jew

nope, they don't write software, they just earn, wtf

Yes with sports betting but its a grind.

Did you graduate high school?

Just because a team is stronger doesn't mean they're going to win every game. If a team is a 90% favorite the line will be set such that you're only making something like $0.10 on the dollar.

Now you bet on this team for 10 games straight. You win 9/10 games and profit $0.90 but your team drops 1 game and that costs you $1. So you won more games than you lost but you're still in the hole $0.10 and your bookie is $0.10 richer.

Play 1000 games and now you're in the hole $100 and your bookie is $100 richer.

I agree with that, but I also don't get how this stuff works. Each toss is 50/50 (it isn't in the case of roulette, and the numbers are laid out in a special order, not just 1-36 etc.) chance, so over a large number of flips, you should get 50/50.

But why? If there's no accounting for total or previous flips, why would you end up with 50/50 over X amount of flips? Why not a perfectly balanced coin that always flips to one side? Why doesn't it "just happen" that the same side comes up 25 times in a row? Why is it that the more times one side comes up, the less likely it is that it'll come up again?

I get how it's supposed to work, and how it demonstrably works. But I can't quite get around the cognitive dissoanance introduced by first saying that each toss is independent of any other (i.e. always 50/50), but then that statistically, each one being the same as the last one is less and less likely. You may say that this isn't the case, but it demonstrably is, by how rare something like 25 heads in a row is.

So what gives?

So you win a dollar every game and it takes 10 wins to make 10 dollars. Then you lose on the 11th match and you are back to square one. It can work but it's a really long psychological grind.

Is it more of a grind than a regular job though? You're in front of a computer, listening to music/watching a TV show or something, clicking on betting-forms on some webpage.

Could you make a living if you did this ~4-8 hours a day, and how much of a bankroll would you need? Any details you can share would be appreciated.

I've thought about something like show betting on the best (least payout) horse each time for example, but I don't live in a country that has horse racing as a huge thing unfortunately, so I don't know if I could get enough action going here to really make it work.. if it did work at all, I'd have to paper bet first.

yes. there's an entire industry based on gambling. are you retarded? go to vegas and see how lucrative it is for the casinos. fucking retard.

>You're in front of a computer, listening to music/watching a TV show or something, clicking on betting-forms on some webpage

I once did this for two months. The gains just aren't worth the time you put into it. You might only have three matches in a single day you feel confident on so there is a lot of waiting. And no matter how strong a team is, no matter how good the odds are for a team, one of them will lose or draw. Spending three days to win a meager sum only to lose it all on one game will destroy your will bit by bit. I tried other strategies as well. Betting on small local foreign matches, attempting to find foreign news about how an underdog has an advantage, and even hedging my bets. There is no way to make good money from this. I've seen people who have done it but they are just in a league of expertise beyond you and me.

>I've been working since early '90s to build gambling machines with pre-determined wins/losses
...what do you think the existing machines are...?

Obviously you can't win in the long term. (besides games where +EV is possible like poker)

The only solution i see is to not play long term. Play one game of martingale roulette with like $1m and than never play again. Ever.

I don't understand this thread. Is everyone here fucking stupid?

>Is it possible to make money gambling?

Yes.

Blackjack is a mathematical game. Even if there are eight decks. Even if the shoe stops 3/4 the way into the eight decks.

If the dealer is dealing out lots of 4s, 5s and 6s, and dealing out very few face cards and aces - at some point the odds flip from favoring the house to favoring the player. You can calculate this out mathematically.

So then the trick becomes how to not get thrown out of the casino. The way people do this is card-counting teams.

It is a lot of effort though - you're probably better off learning Javascript or something.

Yes, it's called trading crypto on margin.

You do end up with 25 heads in a row sometimes, it's just an exceedingly rare event. It's not more rare than you think it should be, its rarity is exactly what the math dictates. It's rare because exponential math works quickly, not because heads magically becomes rarer with each passing head.

25^0.5 is just a really small number. Hell, even if heads was 90% each roll getting 25 in a row would still be just 7%.

I've gambled and bet pretty much everything.

Only way to make money is poker, and that's if you get good at it and are willing to grind away every day.

People that make thousands gambling and don't end up giving it back to the casino are about as rare as lottery winners.

>stomping on dicks with 8 shoes

>its rarity is exactly what the math dictates
Yeah, but why? If it's 50/50, why do we never see rolls of 50/50 that just do one choice (heads for example) literally every single time? Why does it usually flip about even, if there's an equal chance of each?

Not sure if I'm asking this right, but you'll probably answer something along the lines of blah blah math statistically the closer to infinity, yes, but WHY. It doesn't matter what 25^0.5 is because we aren't taking into account previous tosses. Except we seem to be right there, but we aren't, but we are. Wait, what? Follow?

Yes.

Martingale system with infinite balance.

Even in the ideal situation you're only a 1-2% favorite. Sounds great, but you're only making $10 on a $1000 bet. That's a lot of variance for such messily returns. Not to mention the weeks you'll spend learning and practicing this shit, the hours you'll kill at the table, and the money you'll burn betting the bad counts.

Then, even if you have all that covered you still need to run good. If you want to be betting $1000/hand you better have some deep pockets. And if you do manage to do everything right and start turning a profit security will start backing you off or bar you entirely.

Card counting is a romantic notion. Who doesn't want to beat the house? And to do it with math - the same weapon they employ themselves to fuck over their patrons. It's beautiful.

And maybe it worked back when it was less-known. But I agree, learning a skill is probably a better use of your time.

Even the infamous "MIT team" which had dozens of students, a brutal training regiment, and a large investor bankroll cleared less than $1M all said and done.

I think most people who get into card counting are already gamblers and get something from the thrill of gambling or just love the idea of taking money from the casinos. From a pure profit stand-point there seems far better options.

This.
If you get a good hand, you go strong right off the bat.
If you get a shit hand, you fold. No waiting to see the cards.
If you have a full house/poker, you just check till the last round, then you hit em hard ;)

>If it's 50/50, why do we never see rolls of 50/50 that just do one choice (heads for example) literally every single time?

Because it's 50/50, not 100/0?

It's not going to happen "literally" every time but it can happen 25 times, 100 times, 10,000 times. You're just going to be tossing the coin a very long time waiting for that situation to arise.

I don't understand what you're getting at.

You can just up your bets?

10 dollars per bet or 100 dollars per bet. The outcome remains the same.

I'm a croup and here are some basic tips

If you're going to walk into a casino which I recommend you don't. Go straight to the roulette, blackjack or baccarat. Different casinos play at their own rules so try to stay away from casinos where the roulette wheel has 00 and try to stay away from casinos where they've got a "22 stand off rule" for blackjack and pontoon as these really tip the odds against you. I don't know how many casino still do this one but also try get a casino that makes the dealer draw their second card after all the players have had their turns as it makes it easier to predict what they'll get for their second card

For black jack learn basic strategy and try to come in on a day that is not busy as you want to try and make it so it's only you vs the dealer as you can dictate the speed at which you play and think at.

DONT come in on a Friday/Saturday night as it will be busy. Stupid people on alcohol will try and make you rush your turns and the noise will throw you off.

dont go straight into poker, a lot of pubs and casinos make poker a public event. Go to a place that hosts poker once or twice a week and stake it out. See how the regulars play, notice when they've bluffed and how they acted or if they're the kind of player who'll only go hard if theyve got a winning hand. When you are confident enough to enter you'll know how they play and they won't have a clue how you play, hence you'll have an edge.
Good luck

You need multiple accounts for the best odds and taking advantages of the bonuses. Focus on an sport that you have knowledge on. A lot of people focuses on too many sports and end losing and/or making little profit. Keep a track record and risk management. You need to have an database and various statistic models. You need to know if the information you listen/read is useful or just noises.

>I know that in the long run, you will lose. But what about doing many small games?
It's the same exact shit you absolute moron

No? If you always make 1% profit that's 0.1$ profit or 1$. How is that the same?

Because the system doesn't work differently depending on how much money you put in.

Pro sports bettor here...

yes it's possible.

I posted a while back to find some people to pay in exchange for giving me their accounts to bet on, but everyone called me a scammer and I never posted about it since.

Wtf?
which sports user?

Do you use promotions/arbitrage or actually think you know the lines better than the bookies + the vig?

Interesting. What's your strategy?

basketball and american football, mostly

at this point i've probably collected something like 50k just in deposit bonuses. had tons of accounts. bet365 for example closes accounts after 2-3 bets even if they lose. sometimes they do fuck up though and one slips through.

well i don't really want to go into it. sorry. but i just stay calm and try not to worry if it wins or loses. have formulas for bet sizing. now i almost never bet what my formula tells me to. most sites only let you bet $5k or less.

Do you bet every game? And know your algorithme has an edge? Or do you manually pick the games?

That's still a pretty small fraction of your net. Are you actually gambling then? Like, you'll have losing weeks? Based on your bet volume it looks like this is just automated arbitrage/bonus farming type stuff. Maybe you've just been at it awhile. Either way, if you're not LARPing, good job.

NFL is the most profitable. I was listening to a podcast and they said the bookies lose most of its money on NFL season. College basketball and college football are also profitable of the games played during the weekend.NBA ATS is hard cause the lines are sharp, live betting NBA is better cause the lines drop. What's your method?Straight?Parlay?Round Robin?Teasers?

Basic strategy > Card-Counting

Card counting properly is actually fucking hard. You have to be able to see everyone's cards and change the count in only a few seconds. If you take too long to do it, they'll notice it. You can train yourself but the actual edge it gives you is not worth the effort. It's still very luck dependent.

Basic strategy only lowers the house edge, only counting can eliminate it completely. I agree, though, that it's not worth it unless you're externally motivated by the thrill of gambling or taking the casino's money.

no. it depends on the sport but typically i bet about 25-50% of the games in the leagues i bet. i might have 3-4 bets on one game. sometimes up to 10-15 even, for example, a monday night football game. could have full game, first half, first quarter, side, moneyline, total, maybe a couple props.

i monitor all the games, all the prices, at the sites i bet/have accounts at at the moment, and when a price is good i bet it.

yeah for some reason people think i win like 65% of my bets. i tell them if i won 65% of my bets i'd have retired a long time ago and would have a few houses.

not automated, i am too lazy and don't trust it. would suck to wake up one morning to discover my bot put 100k on some shitty wager by mistake and it lost.

not true. bookies make the most money off NFL, i would guess. actually everything you said is probably wrong. but don't feel bad. i think 95%+ of the comments in here are pretty clueless. that's normal.

i mostly just do straight bets, some rare parlays but almost never makes sense. some teasers but again rarely makes sense.

biggest hassle is just finding accounts at the soft books like bet365 or will hill or bovada, 5dimes, etc. they don't last that long cause all these sites ban winners. i've gone through dozens of every site by now.

bitcoin has made everything much easier. it's really awesome for bookies and pros and the punters as well.

>Straight Bets
Probably if you bet the max on straight bets and keep winning they ban you????
>Bitcoin
Only downside with bitcoin is carefully putting the zeros. Had a friend who supposed to bet 0.05 but instead he put .5 and lost the bet

>all these sites ban winners
How do you make new accounts though?

It only takes 30 minutes to memorize basic strategy, user. Worthwhile to do, as it lowers the house edge quite a bit, and makes for a much more enjoyable night. You aren't guaranteed to win, of course, but you're not going to throw away money either.

a lot of BS on this thread but you can for sure make money gambling, in the uk at least i could help somebody, i cant speak for availablity or laws elsehwere.

i lost money for 14 years gambling, in 2015 i made a profit of 6,000, 5,000 in 2016, over the past year i have had all of my accounts closed down and have been forced back onto betfair where i continue to struggle on.

spent a couple of years working as a compiler for one of the big 4 firms here in 2007/8, learned a lot.

profitable gamblers do exist, ive been one and ive met many more, it is possible to know more than the market

how do you typically handicap user (pure stats, expert in games, matchup, ect)?

Work with other people who don't need the accounts.

Get all the stuff the site needs to verify ID, set up everything else, transfer funds to the account, bet it, win, withdraw. Pay the person a flat fee or % for using their accounts.

At this point, it's 99% stats.

how'd you break into it gambling as a profession, were you mentored or just trial and error?

Trial and error. Read lots on the internet, read some books about gambling and general math.

I make a small amount sports betting, around 10% pa on average, I only throw a small amount of money at it yet I still get hard cucked by bookmakers which appears to be the case for anyone extending into the green.

I watch the sports anyway and just do this for entertainment / gloating rights for my premium accuracy, but I don't see any point in pursuing it further when they literally just ban you for winning and it ends up in a grind looking for normies to set up third party accounts.

With bitcoin betting getting more traction I might dip my feet in there and see how that goes, but for now the markets are very limited which makes it harder to find something that will work.

Then point out the BS and correct it with your opinion please.

I think I lost around 10% of my yearly income at the blackjack tables last year, I've since quit gambling but man I wish I hadn't wasted my money like that.

It's a real addiction, best not to start.

Theoretically relevant: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrondo's_paradox

Probably best advice for most people desu

I don't really have any real dislike for gambling but my best friends dad lost 250k sports betting, pretty much ruined his life

when I wrote that I had not read through the thread entirley, reading again to reply to you I can see now why I said it, it was a general dismissal of all the casino games talk, which I have dismissed always throughout my gambling life.

in the uk its very much the case that sports betting is the primary outlet for gambling, online and in person its far more accesible here than in most US states, the thought of pissing around card counting just seems like a massive waste of time. i think a lot of the replies here are from countries with more gambling restrictions than we have here.

so im not going to bash anyone for trying to win with casino games, which i include poker even though theres an edge to be had for sure, because it isnt fair when they dont have the same access to bets that i have.

how the fuck do people let it go that far?

very simple, chasing your losses

yeah, but with betting of all things? something you're virtually guaranteed to lose on in the overwhelming majority of cases? it just seems so obvious to me

Played professionally for about 5 years. Online hold'em back in like 20005-2007, then daily fantasy sports (fanduel and draftkings) for the past three years. It's a freaking grind bro. You're going to lose a lot of money learning how to play and all the nuances of the games. Unless you have a big bankroll or have enough loose money each month, I sincerely don't recommend it.

for example, nobody has a 10% roi. if you do then you're missing a lot of good betting opportunities.

they secretly want to lose everything, its a mental illness

>they secretly want to lose everything
that seems unlikely

more bs. i spent the first 3 months learning and i never bet more than like $100, and only like $10 when i first started.

once i realised i had a real edge i started betting more, but it was about 8 months until my first $1k bet.

now my biggest bet gets to be about $30k when i can get it all down.

More power to you man. Not many have that same type of success. Nor the bankroll management skills/restraint to last long.

>technical analysis

kek this isn't 2004

Whether you use that or quantitative techniques, the idea is to base your decisions on past information in order to speculate on what your next decision should be. Both are trying to place odds in favor based off of past information.

TA's potency comes from others using it allow development of self fulfilling prophecies, things which are completely absent from casino gambling (as far as I know).

The key to trading to have a system which you can test, hone, and improve, and which is versatile. Do that, while managing your risk, and you can sustain yourself against other players in the game, regardless of all the fancy new tools and ways to take advantage of delays and inefficiencies that those smarty pantses develop.

Psychology drives volume, volume drives price, resistance/support, momentum and trend. These are the keys which I am constantly trying to master myself, it never ends.

*, allowing the development of self fulfilling prophecies

>the idea is to base your decisions on past information in order to speculate on what your next decision should be

knowing whats happend in the past is pretty much an irrelevence with the unlimited access to information available to everyone, the market has already accounted for everything, you can not bet on what has happened in the past.

That's why you decrease the weight of the past as time passes by. Currently studying TA, doing research things. Cool to see Veeky Forums in its true form, instead of the usual pajeets.