I'm not racist, absolutely no, but c'mon! Let's face it! Indoeuropeans created every single civilization, without Aryans there would be no civilization.
They civilized China, Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, and later of course the Americas and Oceania
>the Middle East and North Africa The first civilizations were started by semetic people. Sumer, Babylon, Egypt, and Phoenicians were not indo-European
>They civilized China okay... now i know this is bait?
Andrew Morales
What is wrong about it?
I'm curious
Ryan Martin
>Semetic
Out, you have no clue
Either way the Sumer were cousins of Indoeuros
Brandon Ward
nobody really knows about the summerians but the indus valley peeps were probably brown and the peoples of the sea were probably related to modern north caucasians (dagestani, chechen and the likes, they are white but considered monkeys by the indoeuropean slavs)
Jaxon Turner
>and the peoples of the sea were probably related to modern north caucasians (dagestani, chechen and the likes
lol what the fuck am i reading?
Nathaniel Thomas
>Zagros hunter gatherers, Kuwaiti fishermen, and Iraqi farmers were cousins of Ukrainian hunter gatherers and Caucasian hunter gatherers
Ian Mitchell
So, are you relating this to pic related?
Lincoln Hernandez
I can't see how since Near Eastern HG's were not R1b-L23, and neither were Caucasus HG's, which in turn were not at all similar to Ukrainian HG's.
Benjamin Roberts
When did L23 move into Mesopotamia? Around the Hittite arrival, 2500BC-2000BC?
Evan Hughes
idk, but you should be reading works on nostratic linguistics by Starostin and Diakonoff
Aaron Ramirez
Regardless of that we don't even know what language sea peoples spoke and there are no elements that connect them to the caucasus
Ayden Phillips
Non Indo-Europeans had civilization for thousands of years before the migration.
Jaxson Thompson
just to get you started
Evan Kelly
why is italy always a fucking genetic cesspool
Cameron Scott
>italy The concept of Italy is a modern convention, it was never a homogeneous peninsula.
Xavier Young
Cuz Indoeuropeans rule the world.
Ryan Garcia
Etruscans were not sea peoples, they didn't even exist as a civilization in 1200 bc
Tyler Richardson
I kinda though Tyrrhenians were the Etruscans, but now I see that's a hypothesis
Nathaniel Perry
in comparison to everywhere else, no
Jacob Wilson
Tyrrenians themselves is a vague term just like Pelasgians which it's difficult to say what people it actually designated and it's hard tot ell what is true and false about the stories which concern them
The Tursha among the sea peoples being Tyrrenians is even more debatable since they are just mentioned by Egyptians along with other sea peoples without even details about them other than their name so the similarity is just based on the name which is vaguely similar to Tyrrhenians, and TRS/Tursha could be people from Tarsus in Cilicia for all we know
Noah Bennett
at 2500 BC Europe was well behind in technological development compared to the middle east, india and china, which took them over 3000 years to bridge. painting history with such broad strokes as to lump your kin with people half a world away is pathetic.
Tyler Brown
More like 500 years to bridge
David Robinson
also >china
lol, Minoans predate Chinese civilization by almost 1000 years
Carson Hill
Greece wasn't exactly representative of the situation in Europe.
at any rate, excluding Greece and its isles, we can agree that the majority of Europe was by no means ahead of its time by 2500BC, as OP seems to suggest.
Hunter Allen
Indoeurope=/=Europe
Connor Brown
>all Indo Europeans >Aryans Why did you lie and make this up?
Ayden Davis
>at any rate, excluding Greece and its isles, we can agree that the majority of Europe was by no means ahead of its time by 2500BC, as OP seems to suggest.
we certainly can't agree to this, sure there were more advanced regions but the global average was lower than the European average.
Adrian Robinson
i hold that indu european is invoked mainly for WESUZism.
alright. enlighten me, if you please.
Jordan Collins
>China What?
Robert Morris
The first Chinese emperors were Indo-European
Adrian Ward
Enlighten you on what? That Europe 4,000 years ago was more advanced than Somalia 4,000 years ago? Read a book you cretinous nigger.
Justin Jones
>The first Chinese emperors were Indo-European Don't you wewuzzers ever get bored?
Ryder Hughes
I was gonna laugh but then I remembered some of you unironically believe this.
John Lee
And Bronze Age Crete was representative of Greece for that matter.
Elijah Lewis
*wasn't, fuck
Landon Gray
Do you think this because Tocharians existed?
Jordan Jackson
African population was negligible compared to Asian population. Since Indian and the booming middle east were superior to the cave dwelling Europeans of the time, it doesn't seem self evident at all that Europe was even ahead of the average.
mhhm.
John Anderson
Also, as it appears, by 2400 BC the inhabitants of nowadays Somalia were already graced by bronze wielding statehood, something that cannot be said for the vast majority of Europeans of that time. Fill in curse words as you see fit.
You're kidding, right? Outside the Minoans, the rest of Europe had nothing on the scale of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and Iran. To say nothing of the IVC and Dynastic Nubia as well? For fucks sake, even peninsular Arabs had a civilization.
>Indus Valley is a tiny minority of India Which is irrelevant. It's a part of the Indian Sub-continent which is a cultural sphere. >China was still neolithic And had settlements similar to Europe. >Europe had the largest cities on Earth. Still not a civilization. By this logic, the Aztec were more advance than almost all of Eurasia since Tenochititlan was bigger than most capital cities at the time.
Jayden Sullivan
WE
James Moore
Did I say they were more advanced than anyone else? No, you thick lying prick, I did not. I said they were more advanced than the global average, which they undoubtedly were. Go be a lying sack of shit somewhere else, you complete cunt.
Hunter Jones
Very sneaky but you literally tried to disprove user's claim of how the Near East + India was more advance than Europe. There is nothing in those posts that suggest a relative global statistic.
Bentley Scott
If horners are mixed then so are Iberians,Sicilians, Finns, Japanese and other groups not needed to mention.
Cameron Gutierrez
citation needed
Nathan Cox
>Even Arabs had civilizations
No
Kevin Rivera
Lol
A list with Alba longa and sicani in it, this is beyond retarded, let's add cloud coo coo land and atlantis when we're at it
Sebastian Smith
fair point. can you suggest a better one?
Easton Nelson
I think such a retarded article should be banished from wikipedia, I can't even wrap my mind about how much it's retarded
>Pelasgia
The fuck is this? There is no recorded state named Pelasgia in Europe, the Mycenean Greeks are called Ahhyawa and seem to have hada king so I don't really agree with putting city states there but I can tolerate it
>Alba Longa
Recorded in Roman legends 1000 years after its supposed foundation,a rchaeology tells that there were only villages there in the early iron age, let alone the bronze age
>Phryigia
Actually only dates back to the early iron age and was in Anatolia, not in Europe, though the invading Phrigians came from Europe
>sea peopels
This is by far one of the most retarded things on the list, sea peoples were a confederacy of allied invading pirates and migrating populations, not a state
>Sicani
No states or cities in kingdom and Sicani are not recorded anyone, maybe Sicels but it's debated and they were not a state but a tribe anyway
>Thrace
No states there, only scattered farming villages
>Colchis
Never mentioned in the bronze age, only mentioned by classical Greeks
>Cimmeria
never recorded n the bronze age
It's full of other retarded claims but I exposed some of the most stupid ones
Brandon Jackson
Xol'up, so you bee sayin, we wuz masterrace i govno?
Levi Bennett
Yes, a list without them would be a good start
Also a list without Ethiopia in it, since there is no evidence of civilization there until the iron age
and Punt (Somalia) was the designation of a region but it seems more like a tribal kingdom, i don't think it counts as a state
David Butler
North Caucasians look white but they're genetically different from Europeans
Colton Hall
Indo-europeans were first master Iron and Horses. Not writing. We were dominators, rulers and conquerors.
Jacob Flores
Um no sweetie, the early Indo-Europeans copied everything from Etruscans, Minoans, Mesopotamians, Phoenicians, Egyptians
Nathaniel Murphy
>the first masters of iron
the first masters of iron were in Anatolia and predate the Hittitie rule, they were people who spoke a Caucasus like language+ the Assyrain colonists in Eastern Anatolia, there is some evidence of early iron smelting in Mesopotamia too so maybe it was the Assyrians who brought the knowledge to Eastern Anatolia, or more probably it was born there, either way Indoeuropeans didn't smelt it first
Nicholas Rivera
Hittites were Indo-Europeans. 'Member? Google Danube Valley civ, that predates EVERYTHING.
Julian Davis
Hittites probably originated in Anatolia. They didn't migrate from anywhere. This is fact going by archeology claims that Indo-europeans originated in and around Anatolia.
Carter Walker
I poking fun at the arbitrary threshold that makes no sense.
Nolan Lopez
The most recent accredited theory states that the proto indoeuropeans originated somewhere between Eastern Ukraine and Southern Russia
Jack Gutierrez
>Hittites were Indo-Europeans
And they copied Hattians and Mesopotamians
>Danube Valley civ
Not Indo-European
Easton Gonzalez
Not going by archeology. Which claims it's more in north eastern Anatolia/Caucasus. But there's also the fact that Black Sea was shallower "around that time".
My idea is that they came from what is now half under water and rest around modern black sea. As in a steppe people that also went fishing. Exploration in our genes.
Jason Moore
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Austin Torres
the actual root of all your stupid sentiments and endless arguing is an el dumbo belifo that the achievements of muh ancestors has anything to do with your worthless lives, anonhotep you don't accumulate architectural, artistic, scientific, etc. achievements in your fucking jeans and your identity is nothing to do with anything of any worth if anything, it makes you even more worthless since you fail by comparison and you had plenty if time to build a fucking notre dumb