Atlantis thread

>Pyramids and sphinx could be even older.
No. The pyramids are some of the most well-studied things of the ancient world. We have just about everything we need to pin down the time they were built to at worst the half-century. We have
>archeological evidence of the worker settlements
>numerous temples showing the evolution of Egyptian funeral temples
>construction of the pyramids documented heavily by the Egyptians themselves
>well-documented chronology corroborated by plenty of archaeological evidence

The pyramids were built by early Dynastic Egyptians. Why is that so hard for conspiracyfags to grasp?

A metaphor.
Boring compared to Agartha, Shambhala and Lemuria.

>implying that pyramids were even build by Egyptians and not reused by them
>implying that temples and worker settlements have any connections with building of pyramids
>implying that you can even trust modern Egyptology when most of the research on the ground was done in XIX and early XX century and current government and academia keep tight seal on researching them with modern methods

Sure you can dismiss all the mountains of evidence and instead insist that MUH ORAL TRADITION somehow preserved a story accurately for thousands of years, but you'd better fuck off back to if that;s the way you want to go.

So, were arab chroniclers lying when they said it was covered in granite with hieroglyphs? i mean they Could have known plenty about ancient egypt through their own written traditions that would have been safe from ancient turmoil and revisionism.

of course having granite protecting the limestone (was it?) from erosion and possibly rain. (if you follow this theorised chronology) would skew estimates if this was in fact the case. Why would all the egyptian records be precise and accurate while the king's list be considered a complete fantasy of kings dating back 34,000 years? sure some of them lived impossibly long maybe these were dynasties or in some unknown measurement of time like months and it as only another 3000 years.

but back on atlantis.

>A metaphor.
This. It wasn't even a myth. There's no record of Atlantis existing in tradition before Plato made it up as part of a fictional story that's obviously framed as a metaphor. No one even started taking it seriously until thousands of years later.

Lemuria isn't a metaphor, it was a theory proposed to explain why lemures are found in India and madagascar and nowhere else. The discovery of plate tectonics made the theory obsolete, and no evidence for a land bridge between india and Madagascar has ever been found, but it was a honest attempt to provide a scientific explanation for an observable fact, not some woowoo mumbo-jumbo nonsense like Agartha or a simple metaphor like Atlantis.

Yes let's toss out all the well-studied facts and just rely on the totally baseless assertions of proven frauds and kooks, that's what a smart person would do!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni_Monument

Considering amount of sources all history pre XVI could man made.
Implying that lemurs could not be bring by people as pets.
Yeah. If pyramids were covered that will truly skew the erosion dating. I remember reading that some of pyramids were renovated and that could explain worker settlements.
Don't by that angry. You should know that current well entrenched academia have do very little actual research and mostly cite themselves. Not even mention all that political baggage and carriers that rely on old mainstream narrative.

No they haven't. I assume you're referring to the article about the Moroccan skull that was released today, but even that article makes it clear the skull isn't anatomically modern. In fact, they note the skull as being so different from any other example of even early Homo sapiens that I'm surprised they identified it as the same species at all.

I understand where your coming from Veeky Forums has enough idiots who believe in pseudo-science and hackney occult shit as it is. I'm just making the point that Asia's lost cities and continents are more interesting.

So you're saying that despite the ridiculous degree to which the environment around them affected Egyptian culture, they somehow just magically ignored the largest structure in the world until modern times for around 2,000 years of advanced culture and ~1,000 years of written history?

That despite there literally being a series of structures showing the exact progression of pyramid development, the Egyptians somehow had nothing to do with it?

That the Egyptians would go out of their way to employ tens of thousands of men to occupy the space outside these pyramids, all the while developing health issues like lower back problems, arthritis, and similar things caused by strenuous work?

You're right, clearly it was your ancient pre-civilization with all these mountains of evidence supporting it.

supposedly basalt formations or something. but honestly it fits in with an ice age melt, and begs to wonder why people didn't build THIS type of shit on higher ground? maybe ecological reasons involving kilometers of ice over continents and lower sea levels?

>well entrenched academia have do very little actual research
Statements like this always make it clear when people have no understanding of how academia works.

It's impossible to get anywhere in academia without doing original research. Period. The entire professional field runs on a basis of carrying out research and publishing the results. Without doing it, there's no way a research organization or university will keep you employed. And there's a huge pressure to come up with new hypotheses and challenge old narratives because doing that is what gets attention and attracts funding.

>while the king's list be considered a complete fantasy of kings dating back 34,000 years?
Are you talking about the Sumerian King List? The list as we know it today evolved over the centuries as a means to prove legitimacy. What better way to show your reign to be legitimate than a document demonstrating the "legitimate" transfer of power to different cities stretching back tens of thousands of years? It provides both
>a justification for subjugating the region - it's been done before once the old kings lost favor with the gods
>a justification for preserving the system - it's lasted so long, with all these legendary figures, so clearly it's what's right

Or do you really believe that the first king of Kish lived for a millenium?

>health issues like lower back problems, arthritis, and similar things caused by strenuous work
Maybe they have big Amazon warehouse there, who knows.
Jokes aside.
It is possible that pyramids all remnants of pre flood civilization and Egyptian civilization were build around them. Events you mentioned could be connected to rebuild, adapting or renovating pyramids not building them.
Yeah and you do not know how its going on.
>guy doing original research
>find stuff that do not fit mainstream science
>classified as either a mistake/contaminated sample/etc
>or if guys is stubborn he get purged and lose his funding
Novices can't go against academia that have status, positions and grants behind them. Its really hard to go against them especially if you are not sure if you are not mistaken. Especially if there is money and carrier if you comply main line and hard life if you are stubborn and go against current.

Dry Docks built for emergency repairs using the basalt stones from the Ming Treasure fleet.
End of the mini-ice age and melting ice-caps put them deeper

>Novices can't go against academia that have status, positions and grants behind them. Its really hard to go against them especially if you are not sure if you are not mistaken. Especially if there is money and carrier if you comply main line and hard life if you are stubborn and go against current.
Could it be that they're completely wrong and are corrected by clearly more experienced people. Everyday we know more and more about ancient Egypt and if some guy shows flimsy evidence of a pre-egyptian civilization he obviously going to have a hard time.

>Events you mentioned could be connected to rebuild, adapting or renovating pyramids not building them.
Except there being no mention of it at all by Egyptian art or writing. Something that significant would have at the very least worked its way into a passing mention during the construction of the pyramids, and more than likely been an important element of Egyptian culture as a whole.

But no, you're right. Clearly there just happened to be a bunch of ruined buildings, all in locations that just happened to be perfect for whatever direction the Pharoh's cult happened to be going at that time and all perfectly following the progression of pyramid development from mastaba to step pyramid to bent pyramid to true pyramid.

On a less related note, I have a surprising lack of ancient-themed condescending reaction images.

>Considering amount of sources all history pre XVI could man made.

Oh man, a fan of Fomenko's wacky theories. I thought such a thing didn't exist.

>On a less related note, I have a surprising lack of ancient-themed condescending reaction images.
To be honest you can say that about anything ancient.
You can look at history of flood in history.
>it happened because Bible says so
>it could not happen because it was written in the Bible and its all myth and kid stories
>it was just local flood even if other myths also says that global flood happen
>huh it could really happen, a big global flood that could potentially wipe out civilization(if there was one) and it could happen all in matter of weeks if not days
>what is next step?
Not really a fan. Its kind of ridiculous(so ridiculous that it could be true just because of sheer absurdity of it).
I mean global pre flood high culture civilization that was wipe out by catastrophic events? Sure.
It wasn't even first civilization wiped out or crashed with no(or little) survivors? Sure.
Whole history and all sources were man made and faked by who actually? And for what reason? And how?

I already suggested that those kings were in fact dynasties, in some cases, and i wasn't talking about Sumer, let's not go there considering their god of wisdom and civilization produced a digging tool and bestowed it on humanity. considering gobekli tepe and other buried monuments... and that "it all started" after a great collapse...

yes but, have a look for yourself, they really do resemble Neanderthals but with slightly less robust features and a more homo sapien face. not too unlike the Skhul/Qafzeh hominids. and honestly, considering our species, I find it hard to believe we had been sitting on ass for 300,000 years, even then I'm sure mental capacities were beyond making bows and mud huts. And eventually some decided fuck mud huts i'm building a keep and a granary, next stop egypt and all of that good stuff.

Isn't Atlantis literally an invention of Plato for The Republic?

actually to be honest, they look like a lot of anomalous skulls found throughout Africa like laetoli. Then again we don't have brain volume or any of that but it does look fairly large or at least comparable to modern ones.

also worth mentioning is the 2 million year old georgian homo erectus skulls, and the cranial capacity of certain Javan man skulls of over 1000cc. and that's just what has been found.

asking an even more interesting question is how did hominid skulls increase such mass so rapidly? we have no other species with anywhere the same rate of increase and we've just abridged the timeline.

from my understanding yeah it was a story, not even a myth. more specifically an analogy, because the story of atlantis has roots in ancient Egypt, where it was more of a myth or religious narrative.

oddly though Plato's dates of how and when sort of conflate with dates of large scale meteor impacts and actual floods. so... maybe he knew what he was saying, maybe he didn't put much more thought into it than some people do on a post.

point is the tale of atlantis isn't owned by Plato, and probably no single culture either

>I find it hard to believe we had been sitting on ass for 300,000 years
Why? People (Graham Hancock being the most famous) love to make this kind of argument, but it makes absolutely no sense. It might be hard for you to believe, but without evidence, there's no reason to think otherwise.

I don't think otherwise, I'm open to the possibility and based on probabilities of social constructs and culture, another discipline often poorly understood by archaeologists. it took them a while to even consider the fact that certain tablets weren't about some mystery religion revolving around a fertility god but rather some guy writing about how big his dick is.

yes...the sea people were Atlanteans...this is the red pill.

Obviously an amalgamation of various myths and seafaring raiders and conquerors.
Like the flooding of the black sea, shit ton of ancient cities down in the deep.
Minoans.
Sea-peoples in 1200BC.
Probably European folklore about meeting Phoenicians and Greeks.
Greeks romanticizing themselves.
Fall of Carthage.
Phoenicians talking about Britain, boasting-tales and stuff.
Gilgamesh and bible talking about flooding.
Storegga Slide.

Probably about Iberia.

Tarsis(Hebrew)=Tartessos(Phoenician)=Atlantis (Greek) .
This is more than proven brainlets

This is a strong and much more conservative candidate, since they did find small cities and markets in sunken marshes by the iberian coast

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/8381219/Lost-city-of-Atlantis-buried-in-Spanish-wetlands.html

unfortunately it doesn't rectify the chronology of the telling of the titanomachy which, does include a location known as "Tartatrus" which MAY have some relation to tarsis/tartessos but that's just my speculation.

It is a mash up of tales of the sea peoples and Minoans from before the bronze age collapse and Greek dark ages.

No, you're an idiot

Tartessos is Tartessos in Greek

It's Tarshish in Hebrew, Assyrian and Pheonician, also Tarshish was an island according to Assyrians, it probably comes from a Semitic term for silver, it was the name by whcih Phoenicians designated silver mining regions, and it later indicated the west because it was there that the biggest silver mines were found, in Sardinia and Spain

In fact we have a Phoenician stelae found in Southern Sardinia mentioning Tarshish too, which was possibly the city of Tharros in West Sardinia, not too distant from the Tyrsos river

No, you're an idiot

Tartessos is Tartessos in Greek

It's Tarshish in Hebrew, Assyrian and Pheonician, also Tarshish was an island according to Assyrians, it probably comes from a Semitic term for silver, it was the name by which Phoenicians designated silver mining regions, and it later indicated the west because it was there that the biggest silver mines were found, in Sardinia and Spain

In fact we have a Phoenician stela found in Southern Sardinia mentioning Tarshish too, which was possibly the city of Tharros in West Sardinia, not too distant from the Tyrsos river

youtube.com/watch?v=ngS6NywXirM

Thoughts?

Typical clueless tard who hasn't done any deeper research than a quick read of wikipedia

1)Tartessos as a city was never found
2)The most iconic Tartessian artefact was actually a Pheonician treasure
3)there is no monumental architecture where Tartessus should be and no native cities
4)Atlantis was described to be as big as Lybia+Asia Minor
5)The Tartessian writings aren't odler than 600-500 bc

>no horses below here

Tarshish was described as an island by Assyrians.

And king Argantonius was said to have allowed the Greeks to settle in Cyrnus (Corsica), so Sardinia seems most likely to be Tarshish, since Sardinians obviously were much closer to Corsica and had structures there, unlike South West Iberians.

Add the fact that Sardinians actually had an active fleet like the Bible mentions and were the most developed culture in the western Med (statues predating the Greek ones by over 2 centuries, gigantic monuments and elegant temples all over the islands, very active role in trade), also the words "In Tarshish among the Sardinians" were found in a stela discovered in Sardinia, dating to the 9th century bc.

My hypothesis is that Tarshish designated Sardinia in the earlier phases, later Tartessos designated both Sardinia and Spain and after Carthaginians conquerd Sardinia, Tartessos designated only part of Spain.

>Tarshish

This is certainly not Atlantis, since references to it dating to as late as the 6th century BC exist in Jewish scripture.

That landmass would fuck ocean currents causing another ice age.

There's also the fact that no such landmass has ever been detected by deep sea probes, not that facts ever dissuade the cretinous from their stupidity.

Nora stone found on Sardinia mentions Tarshish

>[a. He fought (?)]
>[b. with the Sardinians (?)]
>1. at Tarshish
>2. and he drove them out.
>3. Among the Sardinians
>4. he is [now] at peace,
>5. (and) his army is at peace:
>6. Milkaton son of
>7. Shubna (Shebna), general
>8. of (king) Pummay.

Exactly

Also a really interesting detail about the Nora stone

the name Sardinians is written as SRDN, the same name Phoenicians and Egyptians used to designate one of the sea peoples who raided their coasts and served as mercenaries

It also is one of the earliest alphabetic documents found in the Western Mediterranean together with other texts found in Sardinia

I think most scholars now accept the identification of Sardinia with the Sherden. Discovery of the Nuragic culture pretty much seals the deal.

seems legit.
also seems legit
very informative, perhaps most of the story was overshadowed by the fall of tartessos, overtaking the title and source of this type of cataclysm, but, it doesn't explain the egyptian origin of the myth.these events would have been chronicled and kept on record in athens and wherever right? possibly. i dunno.

I feel the lack of discussion of titans or Atlas for clues in this thread disturbing. And how he was imprisoned on the isle/continent and why. Which honestly, resembles Osiris, Set/Seth and Horus (Ouranos, Cronus, Zeus) and somewhat parallels Abel, Cain and Seth though abel doesn't get castrated.

being forced to hold up the sky? that is a strange task, considering the sky "died" or was castrated (dont think Uranus actually dies)