Is there a Chinese equivalent of the Samurai/Ninja?

It would be extremely painful

>Actually having a "warrior class" like fucking barbarians

theres like a billion of these fucks who cares if one dies

wtf is wrong with chinese people? Do they really have so many people that a single life has no meaning to them?

Never before have I seen a thread so genuinely interesting derailed so quickly. I feel physically ill, might take a 48-hour break from the internet now.

>so genuinely interesting

dude ninjas bro fucking epic

Context, what the fuck is this?

China had no knightly or Samurai equivalent. Civilian offices were considered more prestigious than military ones, and they outranked them.

This. China isn't a militaristic civilization. They're bad at war, actually.

1800s China is very different from their glory days

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It's hip to be slanted

you would do too

What is their glory days? Han dynasty? Tang dynasty? Ming dynasty?

Ming was the only one that fought against other actual civilizations. They beat the dutch with overwhelming numbers and beat the Japanese in Korea, but lost pretty much every engagement that was on even terms, winning by cutting them off from the mainland.

I think Wuxia/Youix is quite equivalent to Samurai.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youxia

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Tang dynasty before An Lushan Rebellion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles#Tang_dynasty_.28618.E2.80.93907.29

>Han
>Ming
>Tang
>Qing

Fuck off

None. Civil government didn't lose control of the military leading to a ruling class of soldiers.

Close calls during the Five Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms period though.

>Ming was the only one that fought against other actual civilizations.

For Zhu

Early on Manchu banner men were similar to Japanese Hatamoto. But for the most part china lacked a hereditary warrior class. Orthodox Confucianism looked down on soldiers.

Despite what many are saying. China did once have a warrior class that was kind of like the samurai. However, this was during the bronze age in feudal China.

In (but not limited to) the Shang and Zhou Dynasties. The King would rule over dukes, who would rule over counts, who would all have knightish people.

These were the Shi (士)class. Now before someone says that those people are scholar officials, they were originally an warrior caste who had the same function as samurai and knights. They were distinguished from the masses by their jian swords and wearing robes.

Unlike the samurai and knights however, they would not fight predominantly on horse. Instead they were generally charioteers.

It is hypothesized that they functioned in a version of the European "lance" system. Each chariot team had the Shi and two companions. One would drive the chariot, another would use a crossbow or bow, and another would use a halberd (AKA ge AKA dagger-axe).

With these warriors the Zhou was able to conquer the Shang. They were prominent until the later Zhou period in the Warring States. In this time, the feudal system broke down. Dukes all declared themselves kings and then all fought to conquer each other. In this time mounted cavalry became more popular and masses infantry made the chariot less prominent. With the loss of their military role, the Shi then gradually became the official bureaucrats remember them as. However, even as late as Confucius, they still had a military connotation. Confucius himself was known to carry a sword as a symbol of his rank and his father was a general. Despite this, the Shi never again were the millitary elite. They would still be generals but never again provided a decisive force on the battlefield.

>Early on Manchu banner men were similar to Japanese Hatamoto.
The practice of the Hatamoto was nothing different to the Chinese General's practice of gathering the best fighters of the army, family members being groomed for command, and close family friends as part of your bodyguard.

>Orthodox Confucianism looked down on soldiers.
Memes. Patriotism was heavily discussed in Confucianism, among which the importance of being competent in military matters necessitated among both civil and military bureaucracy.

Confucianism just believes the military doesn't get to control the government. It's the other way around.

The boy didn't die. The attacker is schizophrenic and a lot of Chinese people said they didn't intervene because they just thought it was just a father disciplining his child. Wild.

Pre-Unfication China =/= China desu.

>thought it was just a father disciplining his child
Oh yeah Chinese parents are nasty

Although patriotism and the necessity of the military have been discussed at times, most confucians at that time viewed it negatively, soldiers were only held in higher esteem than merchants.

It was the legalists who were truly militaristic. Their ideal society had only 2 professions. War and farming, this militarism and agrarian emphasis was what enabled them to conquer all of the warring states and China.

Pre-Unification? I never said that. I think you mean Pre-imperial. During the Spring and Autumn and Warring States period, there was still the Zhou kings, who in theory was ruler of all of China.

"Pre-unification" is an autistic term to describe Pre-Qin dynasty China. As far as I am aware the only time China didn't have a precedent of unification was in the neolithic era.

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ayyy

What if people thought that kid was resting.

>Although patriotism and the necessity of the military have been discussed at times, most confucians at that time viewed it negatively, soldiers were only held in higher esteem than merchants.
Then China wouldn't have these heroic cultures praising soldiers and generals at all.

Except it does.

China has always been more than just what the Confucians wanted it to be. The society was confucian, the law was legalistic, it has a hundred religions, and of course the military has their own niche.

Underrated post speaks the truth

What about the xiongnu, who got their anus ripped out by the Han?

In China there was no real strict "warrior class", everyone was conscripted into the local militia and exceptional soldiers were added into military specialist groups.

Thus really only generals and said groups were remembered.

youtube.com/watch?v=qVwQl8Ckm9w&index=3&list=PLwXMmy5fUrVydF_sO32wMWkd73C8ir-Rq