Why wasn't penis removal a more common torture method done to important enemies throughout history? Seems to me the benefits to the captor in terms of damage an enemy are enormous.
>that man can likely no longer be in any leadership position, as nobody would respect them >they can no longer project masculinity so their strength is diminished >killing/torturing someone can add to their legend, but emasculating them will humiliate their legacy >they likely can't father offspring any more so they're worthless in terms of extending family lines >If you want to see your enemy suffer this is probably the greatest permanent long-term emotional suffering you could inflict on a man
Yet I almost never hear of it in historic literature. If it does occasionally happen it's usually just castration of the balls.
Same reason regicide wasn't common, what goes around comes around
Jose Collins
Humans feel empathy, killing someone is a thing but cutting of his dick is too difficult for a man (on average)
James Gutierrez
>Yet I almost never hear of it in historic literature. Literally what the Chinese do to every son of rebel leaders or captured Nomadic barbarians.
Pic related. Good example >Daddy was a Muslim Chinese general who sided with the Yuan Dynasty when the Ming Dynasty was in REMOVE MONGOL mode. >Punished the family by Eunuching the sons.
>that man can likely no longer be in any leadership position, as nobody would respect them >they can no longer project masculinity so their strength is diminished Looks like you have never heard of the history of influential Chinese Eunuchs. Or Mamluk Eunuchs who founded some of the first Mamluk Dynasties. Or how the Ostrogoths were defeated in Italy by Justinian's Chief Eunuch, the then 80 year old Narses.
Joshua Garcia
In the medieval period this kind of thing was rarely commented on, but I am sure it did happen in war. Richard III's body was sodomised by weapons after Bosworth so it isn't like it was unknown.
The Byzantines and Franks had their own techniques for emasculating people and reducing their threat as leaders. Byzantines would blind people, Franks would later emulate this but they would also tonsur(and im sure either early christian euros did this) rivals. Both acts made your enemy suffer publicly, emasculated them and made them unlikely leaders.
In many ways castration was less effective than the above methods because it was less public/visible.
Caleb Foster
This
"Ruthless, power-behind-the-throne, Eunuchs" are literally a meme in Chinese history.
Castrating someone doesnt make them docile.
Jayden Ward
It's not that unusual really, you're just not looking hard enough. Castrating (testicles sliced off) and/or lopping a dick off were traditional ways to humiliate warrior societies, so you see it more often in ancient sources.
It was a pretty common mob punishment for rapists in the medieval era. I remember reading one case (apocryphal or not, who knows) from Italy where a rapist had a barber's razor tied to his hand, and then rope was tied around his balls and dick, and this rope was then hoisted over a tree branch and he was lifted a few feet off the ground. Only way to stop the intense pain was to slice his own junk off.
>why doesn't he just cut the rope Hemp ropes are actually pretty tough, especially if oiled or tarred as they frequently were. You'd be slicing through the rope for a lot longer, and by that time your body weight might have just ripped your balls off.
Thomas Watson
Mamelukes weren't eunuchs though. Only harem guards became eunchs for obvious reasons.
Jayden Moore
Wasn't talking about Mamluks. Was talking about Mamluk Eunuchs.
They were Eunuchs who somehow found themselves in military command and promptly built their own dynasties.
The founder of the Qajar Dynasty, Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar, was a Eunuch turned warlord.
Kevin Cox
>>that man can likely no longer be in any leadership position, as nobody would respect them >>they can no longer project masculinity so their strength is diminished Weren't some chink generals eunuchs?
Daniel Moore
Why are Eunuchs influential in China to begin with?
Daniel Howard
Officially, Chinese Eunuchs were just the male servants of the Imperial Household. Castrated to ensured that every son that comes out of an imperial vagina is the Emperor's.
Now imagine all those princes and princesses littering around the palace. Your task as a Eunuch is to take care of them. The Emperor has only his attention for the Crown Prince, and other favorites. The rest basically look up to you as their surrogate father.
That is why they are influential. That is why the crowning moment in a palace eunuch's life is when a concubine or empress notices him and places him in charge over her children. Their power grows further especially if succession goes to whack and your boy becomes emperor.
In addition, Chinese Eunuchs, in the course of their duties, receive education in order to carry out their tasks well, especially when some Imperial brat needs tutoring. Which is why many of them end up being brilliant scholars even if they never went through civil service.
ALso why they're pretty much hated by the Bureaucrat Aristocracy. You have these men: civil and military officers, who busted their ass to get to where they are in the Imperial Heirarchy, while Eunuchs just get their balls and dick cutoff and boom, influence. Fuck those guys.
Xavier Evans
Blinding, deafening, and cutting someones tongue out is the worst, trapping them in their own head? Horrible.
Bentley Peterson
True, but they usually gain and project power through their intellect, not their masculinity. If a non-intellectually intelligent lionheart type gets emasculated it must be over for them.
Robert Fisher
Severing the artery their would make you bleed to death. Eunuchs actually just had their testicles removed. There was also infibulation. The concern was more about leaving offspring in the royal or noble court than them just fucking since there's a legend about Cleopatra fucking her slaves.I don't know if penctomy is/was impossible or unheard of but was probably less common. I have heard of pubes being burned off. There's a whole forum dedicated to the castration discussions. forums.eunuch.org/forum.php
Xavier Johnson
removing their potency for earthly pleasures might make them more potent for greater goals, ie. returning with an army of rebels to usurp you
Gabriel Campbell
There was a jihadist who took chemical castration so he could focus on more on jihad.
Dominic Harris
His wife wishes jihad a dick.
Luke Brooks
Yeah if you are going to lop a pecker off might as well stick it in the victims mouth and walk away, that's what the Mexican drug lords do today. Making eunuchs, loping a boys balls off is whole different can of worms mostly done to make holy men priests and the like. They were famous for their allegiance and could not be corrupted through sex. In fact Switzerland probably still makes them today, sells them to the Vatican!?
Jaxon Thompson
>>that man can likely no longer be in any leadership position, as nobody would respect them Tell that to the fucking chinese. Eunuchs were very often in very high postitions.
Same goes for the Ottomans.
Carter Cook
Ahhhhhhh
Xavier Martin
It was pretty damn common. The Byzantines did it, Chinese did it, Mamluks did it etc.
Benjamin Rodriguez
Men can do great things when the allure of women is removed.
Oliver Hill
I wonder how many of those civil and military officers would trade their routes to success with the eunuchs, though.
Jeremiah Peterson
they don't cut off dicks because then the enemies would cut off their dicks as well And as a leader, with a somewhat high chance your not going to be on top all the time why would you authorize that?
Cameron Nguyen
>they don't cut off dicks because then the enemies would cut off their dicks as well
why bother posting this utterly incorrect point when there have already been plenty of examples to the contrary in this thread already
Alexander Jones
indeed
makes them willing to go to insane lengths for power and revenge, and no bitches to get in the way.
because the only person who would suggest the idea is that one guy everyone tells to shut the fuck up. The point is simple, opponents were often men, and, who the fuck wants to deal or work with a guy who goes around cutting dicks, that takes some seriously fucked up bringing up to produce "that guy" and he would probably be too bitch to rise the ranks.
As for Eunuchs, they would have been physically meek but, better at planning, plotting, withholding gratification, especially without the distraction of tits albeit with childish tendencies since they've likely never hit puberty (maybe herbs and shit can help mimic it) also, probably had bouts of rage.
Ian Ross
why would they have been physically meak? cutting off your duck doesn't shut down test production retard negro eunuchs where bodyguards in mid-east
Blake Richardson
true, well I went on the assumption they took the testis as well, the asians definitely did. since the idea wasn't to stop them from having dicks but ensure they couldn't reproduce with the boss' wife.
you could do that with nuts and no dick.
Bentley Davis
Was there ever a time when italy wasn't a hellish playground for psychopaths?
Nathaniel Watson
Imagine if some chieftain in medieval iceland would start hacking dicks of. The whole island would be without dicks within a generation.
Isaac King
the death rate for penis-removal was really really high
Henry Jackson
Pretty shit desu
Noah Brown
The capital punishment of being hung, drawn and quartered often specified the severing of the condemned's genitals, to be burned before their eyes along with their innards. William Wallace and several of the men responsible for the regicide of Charles 1st are some of the more notable persons executed in such a manner.
Asher Foster
>I almost never hear of it in historic literature
i think this was the ramesseum
Justin Stewart
Slicing off a dick is not that deadly, so long as you staunch the severed arteries and watch for infections in the first weeks. Peeing is never quite the same though, as you basically you lose most control over bladder sphincters. This gets worse with age.
Dylan Ramirez
Cutting off balls was generally less risky.
Matthew Lopez
what are some historical examples of this?
Camden Scott
Wait, what? Are you saying Chinese practiced artificial insemination? I'm not saying it's impossible but, that's a long way to go just to cuck a guy.
Jose Cox
>you could do that with nuts and no dick. It's possible, but difficult. Still, even ancient people noticed that no nuts = no children. Eunuchs were specifically castrated (balls gone), leaving the penis or not was optional. They knew how shit worked, even if they didn't understand the biology as we do today. No one who was wanted for the fact they were going to be left around 'protected' women was going to have their dick lopped off but keep their balls. No. Way.
Jason Walker
>Cuting of the dick and leaving the balls Who doesn't want their bodyguards to hate you?
Matthew Price
>is eunuch >allah wills him a dynasty Truly Islam is the superior religion
egg-sactly why it didn't happen much. Most people just aren't that cruel.
Sebastian Lee
Won't they hate you from just going for their balls too?
Eli Cruz
The Arabs and Turks used that as punishment to their slaves though. >A Eunuch's life is haaaardd. youtube.com/watch?v=8sLNOhA7C2Q
Jose Bennett
The main component of torture is the impending threat of pain and death. In order to torture someone, they have to believe they have something left to lose as well as some hope of survival.
Cut off their dick, and most men just prefer to die afterwards. I suppose you can geld them, but even then, the hormonal changes take months to have any real effect.
Not that crushing a nut or otherwise generating pain through the testicals wasn't (or isn't) a common torture technique, or that threatening to cut off the dick or damaging it isn't common.
As a punishment, rather than as torture, it's not particularly effective as it isn't readily visible. Most punishments are designed to serve as a warning to others, so removing an organ that's normally concealed isn't particularly effective.
Not that some folks don't occasionally do it just out of pure vindictiveness, as was the case with the fictional character.
Easton Bennett
bastards stabbed him in the ass
Matthew Stewart
Damn, lost.
Brody Long
>You'd be slicing through the rope for a lot longer, and by that time your body weight might have just ripped your balls off. That was incredibly uncomfortable to read, holy fuck.
Alexander Davis
>As a punishment, rather than as torture, it's not particularly effective as it isn't readily visible. Most punishments are designed to serve as a warning to others, so removing an organ that's normally concealed isn't particularly effective. In many historical examples, but especially in Chinese practice, someone who was mutilated had to wear the removed body part around on a string around their neck (whether the mutilation was visible or not.) In the eunuchs' case, it was basically picked in a jar. Also, when aristocrats were castrated as punishment for rebelling or something you can bet everyone at court at least was well aware of it.
Benjamin James
probably won't love you because of it. but being doomed to eternal blue-balls is ASoIaF tier sadism
Colton Powell
Why Sir Johnson, your codpiece looks a little deflated today...
Brayden Roberts
>Humans feel empathy And what does that have to do with anything? Empathy is the most amoral feeling in history(not immoral)
Chase Sullivan
huh?
Michael Gomez
The Chinese are probably the best example of this happening, but eunuchs still proved capable of raising up the ranks.
Andrew Russell
probably because if you do it, it will vilify you and paint you as a monster and people would want revenge for the dick less man
like how richard III was vilified by claims that he killed his nephews and poisoned his relatives, imagine if he cut his enemies dicks off, angry villagers with pitchforks will want to crucify him
