Is Saudi Arabia really responsible for the radicalisation of Islam in the last decades?

>pushed for Iraq war
>Gave help to jihadist rebels in syria
>and now pushing for a war with Iran to further destabilize the region
fuck off benjamin nuthinyahoo

Yes, this it has started creating minor problems and quarrels, however it needed a certain push from some organization (ehm, US CIA, Saudi Royal family)

>Christian, Jewish, and Muslim states

This just shows that all faiths can get along.

the rise of radical islam has many different sources and it comes in many different form.

Shia radicalism was born with the Islamic revolution in Iran.

Sunni salafi radicalism originates partly in Egypt with the early muslim brotherhood, partly in India with the Deobandi madrasa that is a significant source of the Taliban's ideology and partly in Saudi-Arabia with the Wahhabi movement

Saudi-Arabia is a result of a pact between the Bedouin tribal rulers of the Al Sa'ud family and the radical preacher Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (hence wahhabism). The royal family gives the wahhabis control over religious, cultural and educational affairs in exchange for their support and legitimization of the king's rule.
Salafi groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda are extremely similar to Saudi Wahhabis in ideology and in many places Saudi-funded religious institutions as well as religious schools for foreigners in SA itself have spread this ideology, but a lot of support for radical groups comes from private donors within saudi arabia and neighboring countries with similar religious ideologies rather than from the governments themselves. the saudi royal family relies on the wahhabis to stay in power but by now they can't control the beast they helped create and it's starting to turn on them.

The US is secular.

Look up Wahhabism some time

another pillar of the saudi system is the alliance with the US which both contradicts their wahhabi ideology and draws the ire of radical groups that aren't bound to be loyal to the king

and all it took was some mutual profiteering off of domination and exploitation

They are about as secular as Turkey is a secular state

Not really. They're responsible for a good deal of funding for Jihadists but they're certainly not the sole cause of radicalism. The Taliban, for example, were born in Pakistani-funded madrassas/mosques who were catering to refugees from the Afghan-Soviet War, the Iranians were Khomeini, and organisations like the Muslims Brotherhood were (are) grassroots in the sense that they sprung up organically.

The Saudis are the biggest poster boy for Jihadism because they've been funding some of the best known Jihadi groups a la ISIS, al Qaeda etc. and there's quite a bit of evidence they were at the very least complicit in the 9/11 attacks, but saying that the Saudis are the ones responsible for the radicalisation of Islam over the past few decades is just untrue. They certainly added fuel to the fire, not denying that, but the fire was already raging.

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE

That doesn't change the fact that Israeli influence on the US foreign policy has been overwhelmingly negative and that Israel played a major role in destabilization of the Middle East

>Israel played a major role in destabilization of the Middle East
how?

By existing.

Jesus Christ what the fuck are you talking about
The US has a lot of backwater retards but eben those people are better than your average Turks. Turks are fucking disgusting. Don't ever compare my polity to Erdogan's fucktoy of a nation.

By assisting jihadists in Syria, for example.

Turkey is more secular than the US. Ony 6% of Turks want to turn Turkey into theocracy, whule 52% of Americans who vote for Republicans want to turn the US into theocracy

The treaty of Versailles is primarily responsible. What a great treaty that was.

Actually it shows that all faiths are evil

lel Turks just recently voted to turn erdogan into a dictator

Secularism was always enforced with the business end of a shotgun outside of Istanbul in Turkey, the average Republican voting to make abortion illegal again still upholds secularism as a sacred uniquely American tradition

Islamic legend traces radical fundamentalist extremists to the Khawarij. Just watch the beginnings of this fine impartial and unbiased documentary produced by the Ba'ath Association.
youtu.be/1Cyb0O8DaLY

>Saudi-funded madrassas/mosques in Pakistan
ftfy
Watch bitter lake if you haven't.

>lel Turks just recently voted to turn erdogan into a dictator

And? Dictatorship is not incompatible with secularism, especially in the Middle East, and nobody is retarded enough to think that Erdogan will institute Sharia.

>the average Republican voting to make abortion illegal again still upholds secularism as a sacred uniquely American tradition

That's simply not true: politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html

You're all gay lol

>Israel Lobby has pushed the US into Iraq War

That's bullshit for the retarded pleb. The real reason was that Saddam abandoned the petrodollar in 2002 and America would sooner scorch the Earth than let anyone to get away with that.

Israelis' paranoia about Iraq simply helped to convince the religious Right in US that the war is necessary.

>And? Dictatorship is not incompatible with secularism, especially in the Middle East, and nobody is retarded enough to think that Erdogan will institute Sharia.

True. Erdogan is promoting Islam because secularists are his main opponents in gaining all power. Had Islamists opposed him, he would stamp Islam out just as vigorously.

You can do better than this, Hasbara. Where's your argument. No shekels for you.

>Secularism was always enforced with the business end of a shotgun outside of Istanbul in Turkey

Jeez you can't be this retarded

?

Secularism was imposed top down in Turkey and was never taken seriously, there is plenty of literature out there about this.

lol how many coups did turkey have to keep the Islamists at bay?

Turkey was dragged kicking and screaming into secularism. It still is and guess which side is gaining more and more ground with Erdogan? Not the secularists.

>Let me tell you about your country
I don't know where you get your opinion on Istanbul but it's literally a smaller version of Turkey. It has extremely conservative and liberal provinces. A better example would be Izmir, where I reside too. Secularism does not need to be "enforced" at all, anywhere in the country. Even the most conservative cities of Turkey are far from yelling "We want Sharia" on the streets. Your average Turkish citizen does not give a fuck about it. That changed a bit with Tardogan but it's still exaggerating saying it needs to be enforced. Even Erdogan knows how it would fuck the country up to try and bring Sharia since it has virtually no actual support behind it. And he tries to balance the scale every now and then by "denouncing" chimping out Sharia lovers and giving Kemalists a pat on the back. Only the 97 coup was to directly counter islamists

>baseless conspiracy theories

At worst this is more of an issue with U.S. foreign policy, it has nothing to do with Israel.

It's not a conspiracy theory, Israel's disproportionate influence on American foreign policy is well established fact acknowledged by renowned academics. Read "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.

Disproportionate influence is far from actually directing America's foreign policies.

Enough disproportionate influence to drive the US to start a war. It's not a secret that the decision to invade Iraq was influenced by the neoconservative movement, and it is also well known that almost all neocons were Zionist Jews with connections to the Likud Party

To be fair, Hitler did not need a coup. Just like him Eurogan was elected into power and he made Islamism a thing again.

No, the founders are almost all Egyptian.

interesting stuff

Egypt has more people than any other Sunni Arab country and historically its demographic dominance was even higher just a few decades ago, so that might just be statistics at work.

No. You fuck off Zionist Kike. Israel is responsible for everything that has been happening in the Middle East ever since it's been founded.
Pic related is from Hilary Clinton's leaked emails.
America literally fucked over Syria to make sure Israel keeps hold of it's Nuclear Monopoly.

>2015
>Syrian civil war started in 2010
>Syria is necessary for Iranian nuclear capability

what

I'd mostly agree but put a touch more blame at the feet of the House of Saud.

Really, I think folks like Qutb and Wahab would have been obscure jurists if the House hadn't adopted latter as their go-to ideologue for justifying their revolt against then-current Sunni orthodoxy when the Emirate first formed.

Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab (/wəˈhɑːb/; Arabic: محمد بن عبد الوهاب; 1703 – 22 June 1792) was a religious leader from Najd in central Arabia who founded the movement now called Wahhabism.[1][2][3][4][5] He rejected certain common Muslim practices which he regarded as amounting to either religious innovation (bid‘ah) or polytheism (shirk).

Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab's pact with Muhammad bin Saud helped to establish the Emirate of Diriyah, the first Saudi state,[6] and began a dynastic alliance and power-sharing arrangement between their families which continues to the present day in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.[7] The Al ash-Sheikh, Saudi Arabia's leading religious family, are the descendants of Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab, and have historically led the ulama in the Saudi state,[8] dominating the state's clerical institutions.[9]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab

Mind you this doesn't mean the rank and file don't have their own opinions on this arrangement.

>2015
>Syrian civil war started in 2010
First, The Syrian civil war started in 2011 you retarded waste of sperm. Second, The time America started aiding rebels in Syria doesn't matter and doesn't refute my point.
>Syria is necessary for Iranian nuclear capability
Everyone and his dog in the Middle East knows that Assad is an Iranian ally and an Anti-Zionist. Don't try to play dumb.

>secularism is uniquely american

zoz

Replace usa with italy and maybe

Members of the Saudi Royal family have been funding various jihaids and are responsible in part for their success. However, the Saudi government proper does much less of this. They will fund radical groups in proxy wars - like Jaish al-Islam in Syria. But the government generally isn't directing money to say, al-Qaeda. It's a distinction worth making.

The government does pay for radical preachers to go abroad and radicalize Muslims living in Europe (for instance), who go join radical groups or commit acts of terrorism at home.

The radicals would exist without the Saudis, but the Saudis (either members of the royal family or the government) have aided and abetted them.

Other good posts ITT

Huffington post had some good articles on the Saudi role in modern terrorism
huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html

huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-real-largest-state-sponsor-of-terrorism_us_58cafc26e4b00705db4da8aa

Fucking WW1 going to kick us in the ass again.

We should have left the islamic world to the Ottomans, who were atleast civilized and who were on their way to being westernized by 19th century. Instead, we destroyed the only civilizing force in the middle east whilst empowering tribal shits with statehood and Oil money, and who then used their new found wealth to propagate their own puritanical version of Islam.

So is large scale war inevitable at some point and it's just been pushed back diplomatically or is time going civilize the region given modern technology and how information is so accessible?

>The treaty of Versailles is primarily responsible. What a great treaty that was.

Especially since it didn't concern the Middle East AT ALL.

I think its too late for time to be the civilizing force in the middle east. Not to mention theres been continuous war in the middle east for the last 50 years. I think an important contributing factor in the islamisation/radicalisation of the middle east is sectarianism, corruption, poverty and war, and I dont think the middle east will get a respite until their oil reserves are exhausted and they no longer have any geopolitical importance to the major powers and globalists. Also, since the Arab world have failed to Industrialise and move to an innovation centric/Service/Industrial economy like Israel, they will suffer more poverty once AI and automation further increase the gulf between post industrialised, and preindustrialised nations. Then youve got climate Change increasing average temperatures and decreasing rainfall in the middle east in the next few decades. Regions that are vulnerable to climate change are more conflict prone. All these factors point to the middle east being a more unstable and impoverished place in the future, which is great for islamists and not so great for secularists in the ME.

The problem is, the Ottomans were universally hated in the Middle East.

The best thing to do would be allowing the seentary Arabs to build their own state in Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Hijaz, not backstabbing them with Sykes-Picot.