What makes the America such a hotbed for anti-intellectualism and being phillistines?

As far as First World Countries go. This goes for all non-East Asians in America, be they Nigs or Honkeys.

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media control combined with the legacy of puritanism

This also accounts for all the we wuz kangz coming from America. Have an unwarrented contempt for academics and go figure you LARP as da reel Egyptians or whatever.

Asians do are held back by societies impression of them which effect their professional development though so they got their own issues.

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most people in western culture are equally held back by society's impression of them. You dont walk around in underwear because society has deemed that taboo, you avoid saying or doing things that woud make you loom bad, only difference is the particulars of each society

>hot bed for anti-intellectualism
>the most powerful country to ever exist

Perhaps it's the traditional cuck school of thought that landed the rest of the country in the weakened beta positions they are currently in.

because americans all either live easy apathetic lives or have to work too many jobs to read a book, and seldom lie anywhere inbetween due to wage disparity. On top of that, they've consistently been the "good guys" throughout history, and they don't really have any big distinct moral crimes to reflect upon which they can't make up an excuse for. Slavery and blowing people up is about it, but slavery wasn't a US-exclusive problem, and even nuking japan didn't really stick as a hot-button moral issue since they were doing some pretty terrible shit themselves (not to mention we've bailed them out after they blew up some nuclear reactors that they'd built on fucking fault lines). You could point out that they've blown up plenty of other people, but never enough all at once to really make it a climactic hot-button thing; it's always just a "steady sin" I guess, something that won't be recognized unless you're already "me, an intellectual," so it can't be used to motivate stupid people to raise their standards. Meanwhile Germany can always go remember the holocaust if they need motivation to not be stupid tools.

> we wuz kangz
I honestly don't hear this at all really. I had one history course where the professor mentioned the erasure of black history and how they had larger civilizations in Africa, but I'm yet to see someone in person get up and say the egyptians were actually blacks. The Black Panther movie might change that, but I still kinda doubt it given all the extreme blaxploitation films we've had in the past.

And yet people continue to respond, even fuckin reddit has gotten over its edgy anti-Americanism.

America is exceptionally shit, but it's also exceptionally great as well.

I don't understand it. I mean, most of them are of european descent but they may as well be from a different planet. Americans do not have any of the rationality or composed intelligence of Europeans. Europeans always seem to react calmy and rationally to events whereas Americans always go fucking crazy and reach for the most extreme option

America has a weird culture of anti-intellectualism and having a distrust in scientific and academic experts. They also have a ridiculous and frightening patriotism that is completely divorced from reality.

The rest of the world really does have incredible disdain for America, it's like they never have logical reactions to situations are live in crazy-land.

The French philosopherJean Baudrillarddescribed America as “hyper-real”, on the grounds that “it isa utopia that has behaved from the very beginning as though it were already achieved”.

>America
>anti-intellectual
We haven't reached Stalinist-purge-tier (yet)
If you want to see real anti-intellectualism look no further than any middle eastern country

>leading research in multiple fields
>anti-intellectual
makes u think...

Europeans say we are too skeptical of academia and the media, I say they are not skeptical enough.

there are massive political factions that refuse to accept established science about biology and physics

>there's 197 genders
>there's no biological difference between men and women
>i'm allergic to GMOs
>global warming doesn't real
>solar power is better than nuclear
>nuclear is bad bad BAD DON'T DO IT

We really are a nation of idiots.

Nice job picking your pet opinions and acting as though everyone else is an idiot. Out of everything you said only the first two are really stupid.

GMOs are good and you cannot be allergic to them
Global warming is real by everyone's best estimate
Solar power is worse than nuclear and nuclear power is excellent

Read a textbook, geez

>importing doctors from india et al
america's academic successes all pretty much just come from having enough economic success to literally just buy the competition, and with their current attempt at changing immigration policy, that's going to sink pretty quick

There is nothing wrong with being an anti-intellectual. It is not about being against intelligence, no more that XIXth century anti-clericalism was against religion. It is about being against the political power of the intelligentsia as a caste.

>breaking news: hundreds of lives lost in solar reactor meltdown

The problem is democracy. It forces factions to often embrace illogical combinations of positions in order to get ahead. When you have a country of 320 million with only 2 major parties, you are bound to get tons of dumb shit. Because America has vastly different cultural regions, unlike a lot of Europe, Americans often feel like their way of life is being threatened. IMO democracy simply doesn't work in a nation this large

>It is about being against the political power of the intelligentsia as a caste.
But that "political caste" wants nothing more than for the rest of the populace to join it. It's not a caste if everyone's in it. You're acting as though the "intellectuals" are trying to prevent people beneath them from getting educated, when the prevention of education is definitionaly what anti-intellectuals are going for.

>gmos
Taste like shit compared to real food and are less nutritious
>Global warming
The earths climate is constantly changing. We were suppose to be under water by now. One day the earth will go though a heating and cooling period whether humanity produced emissions or not.
>Solar power is worse than nuclear
We have no way of getting rid of nuclear waste and the risk of radiation from leaks or meltdowns is too high. Look at Japan or Belarus. Nuclear power is the worse form of power desu.

>what's the best spot to build this reactor?
>on a fault line, of course

The second great awakening is to blame for everything wrong with modern America

Last time I checked, admissions to Harvard, Yale, London School of Echonomics, the École nationale d'administration and so on was still restricted.

Did they change for open admissions and I didn't learn about it?

>I want everyone to be well fed
>WELL LAST I CHECKED, THE SUSHI BAR WAS CLOSED user
Hmm

>ignoring the fact that the fast majority of people on those campuses clearly vote leftward

>Taste like shit compared to real food and are less nutritious
AHAHAHA
You're an idiot

An America nuclear waste bunker just leaked recently. It will take Decades and lots of money cleaning it up.

Also nuclear resources are gonna drain overtime as other nations may take it up and as other countries in Africa and Asia develop and seek more power generation. Can or current nuclear resources truly support a large amount of people draining from it exponentially over time?

>Taste like shit compared to real food and are less nutritious
>this constitutes an allergy
typical global warming denier

Not an argument but continue eating your disgusting gmo slop. I feel bad that you've never eaten real food before.

When the first post is a pretty good post.

I don't even have to argue with you
99% of people don't know what a GMO is and I know you're in that category. I know you can't tell the difference. The fact that you avoid GMOs like a Muslim avoids pork amuses me. You probably don't even know that some of the foods you enjoy are GMO products.

>less nutritious
lmao, gonna need source there senpai

"Gmos give me allergies" was just anons strawman. I assumed this was obvious and that user was attaching all those who are critical of gmos in general. Apparently you really do believe the main reason people hate gmos is that they think it gives them allergies in which case you're an idiot who couldn't even bother to know what they are opposed to.

Almost all foods are GMO though.

Artificial selection is, by definition, a form of genetic modification.

again
also it's funny that corporations play on the gmo scare to make people buy their products and avoid gmo products.

I think we are speaking about different things, so I will be clear here.

The increase in the political power of the intelligentsia is one of the most remarkable, and understudied, facts of the 20th century. This power is fueled not only by active participation of intellectual in politics through planning comissions and so on, but also through their cultural prestiged helping certain political movements prevail, specially socialism and communism. It's hard to see communism winning in Russia, China, or socialism becoming dominant in India, Venezuela and Brazil without the participation of intellectual movements such as the May 4th movement, or institutions like the Jawaharlal Nehru University, the Central University of Caracas and the University of São Paulo.

I consider the influence of intellectuals in politics pernicious, not only because they tend to support the disastrous policies of socialism and/or communism, but because their very mentality, though good for scientific and scholarly purposes, is rotten for the purposes of politics, their desire to change society through political action, specially being totalitarian by nature.

This is why I'm an anti-intellectual. Give me a craftsman who is single-minded about his job or even a corrupt landowning politican over an intellectual who wants to change the world and has plans already to organize everything and order everyone.

totally strawmanned that user's argument. all he was doing was criticizing that other user of being an idiot for thinking gmos cause allergies. he in no way stated that this is why people fear gmo, you fucking imbecile.

>I would rather elect someone incompetent, so that they can't fuck shit up
are you seeing it yet?

Whoa bro. Let's just throw out all meaningful understandings of what gmo is because in some nonsensical way all selective breeding is a "genetically modified organism".

t.monsanto.

Odds are, if it's grown for food, humans have tinkered with the genetic code.

If you can show me a qualitative difference in the organisms produced by gene splicing and the organisms produced by breeding, I'll be happy to admit defeat.

This is not really about being competent, it's about not having the desire to radically change society through political action using an utopian future as justificiation.

>you really do believe the main reason people hate gmos is that they think it gives them allergies
citation needed

>All intellectuals are utopian ideologues

Not him but I think Trump's incompetency is actually doing wonders, we are starting to see a resurgence in states making their own decisions and trust in the government is eroding. Because states and communities have no faith in Trump, they are picking up the slack and I believe we will see things actually get pretty good

If central planning and technocracy are the devil, why are the Chinese kicking our asses?

Maybe I'm jaded because I live in a country where this is unironically true.

>the May 4th movement
Communism was not even close to the main purpose of the May 4th movement. One of the catch term for the movement was Chen Duxiu's call for "Mr. Democracy and Mr. Science" replacing older confucian traditions, for god's sake. It was no modernist but far from communist in its content.

Central planning and technocracy aren't bad because they don't work, they are bad on a moral sense.

Their quality of life is horrendous, millions of chinese are extremely poor and many of them are practically slaves

*sniffs*

I actually don't disagree, but I don't think it'll be worth the consequences of having elected him.

go outside your basement into a supermarket and you'll see that many products are labeled "non-gmo". the only reason they say that is because they play on people's irrational fear of gmo that they absorbed from the media sensationalism. you're a sucker

t.Monsanto

>IMO democracy simply doesn't work in a nation this large
You just outlined the problems but, instead of proposing a reform of the party system-- perhaps in the direction of proportional representation-- you go the other way and call for more oligarchy or authoritarianism...

> It forces factions to often embrace illogical combinations of positions in order to get ahead
agreed. to make matters worse, the two party pushes people to choose one side or the other, and the side chosen forces one to

Not until the 1980s did people artificially introduce genes into plants. Before that it was selective breeding.

cont.
and the side chosen makes people unquestioningly adopt the whole party program as though it were gospel, even though these programs have basis in widely disparate interests and values.

>whoa bro, let's just throw out all of the scientific definitions of what a GMO is and accept my fallacious definition of what a GMO is so that I'll be right and you'll be wrong

not an argument

I know, I'm asking if there's any qualitative difference in the finished product.

Saying that I don't like democracy doesn't mean I'm authoritarian.

You'd never be able to mix two unrelated organism together naturally. Obviously whatever the product is modified for is the qualitative difference.

there's a fine line between anti-intellectualism and disdain for intellect, just like anti-clericalism, despite my own support of it, likely aided the decline of religiosity in the west. I agree with you the intelligentsia has a variety of flaws, but I think you overestimate their power. The reason they're called the "ivory tower" doesn't only denote their elitism, but their disconnect from the concerns of people in the working world. You can interpret this as "hair-brained intellectuals push an agenda on the world" but the reality for a majority of academics is their seclusion within their specialty for need of understanding their subject and because the pressures of publishing and teaching cut them off from society.

ever heard of horizontal gene transfer, brainlet? it's ubiquitous among bacteria

>bacteria
>plants
Pick one.

irrelevant goal posting. you said organisms, f*ggot. and if you must insist, archaea, protists and a variety of plants also practice it

>implying I want to be part of the champagne socialist intelligentsia circlejerk

>irrelevant goal posting. you said organisms, f*ggot.

Not him, but seeing as the entire discussion branched off of plants it's not really fucking goalpost shifting.

it's still irrelevant. plants were used as an example by that user, but it goes without saying that gmo is not exlusively used on plants, but on animals, fungi, protists and bateria as well.

Is it, user? We were clearly talking about foodstuff. You're just being pedantic. Does our foodstuff do it? Just because bacteria does it has no barring on the various plants we consume.

He knows he's wrong and a qualitative difference exist between gmos and non-gmo food but he's too stubborn to admit it. He'll try dragging it on as long as he can.

Well, GMO companies fuck the farmers hard. They sue the shit out ofyou if they find out you stored even a one seed from their GMO strain. Also many GMOs are invasive species because most of their natural killers are neutered by them being GMOs. For me it's not so much about the quality of the food but the scumminess of the corporations that produce the GMOs and theur effect on the ecosystem.

You didn't read the rest of that post. I stated that bacteria are not the only organisms to do gene transfer. And bacteria and protists, as it happens, are critical to the sustenance of plant and animal life in a many ways. Most relevant to this discussion, animals consume these very organisms that swap genes with each other quite randomly across species and it hasn't destroyed these species.

Oh and if you buy Monsanto GMO corn strain XXX-Fuck the Farmer(tm) you also have to buy their pesticides (which are not exactly the most healthiest ones for consumers). If you don't, Monsanto lawyers knock on the door again for a breach of contract.

The Jews have been trying too destroy us from the inside out for decades.

Also, do you even know what qualitative means?? Because it seems to me that you aren't using it in the proper sense of the word.

IThe qualitative difference of gmo produce from other produce is their creation and whatever trait they've been modified to posse.

Actually blind taste tests of GMOs have proven that people find them to be tastier. They are also just as nutritious. Not everything is bad just because they added science to it

protists, fungi and bacteria can be food stuff and as i said even in the other post: even if they aren't they are necessary for the sustenance of the plants and animals we do eat. Do you also know that the basic unit of multicellular animals such as us were the product of the incorporation of bacteria in to eukaryotic cells hundreds of millions of years ago? Further, it's irrelevant whether we're talking about "real" foodstuffs or not. The fact of the matter is that a category of organisms survives, and even thrives, despite their intermingling of genes across species. And besides that, sexual reproduction among animals is literally a form of genetic modification, as the process of meiosis used to create sex cells involves the process of "crossing over" and random mutation which is a form of genetic modification, just without humans doing it with their own hand.

that doesn't mean that the chemical company can then go about fucking every farmer in the ass hard.

Oh by the way Monsanto sues the shit out of you if you grow normal corn and they find out that the neighbouring farm's GMO strain got in your field by accident.

GMO's made my penis bigger. Fuck GMO's

Selectively breeding crops isn't any less "science" than artificially splicing alien genes into crops is science. Science is only a methodology despite what plebs and normies think.

yes, but you haven't yet even proven that there is a qualitative difference between the GMO and the non-GMO organism. It's possible that there the genes inserted don't change texture or taste or, if they do, the change is so trivial that it's irrelevant.

That's a myth and you know it.

thats why i also said oligarchy, senpai.

The Supreme Court of Canada had issued a similar decision in Monsanto Canada Inc. v. Schmeiser (2004). That case concerned Percy Schmeiser, who claimed to have discovered that some canola growing on his farm in 1997 was Roundup resistant. Schmeiser harvested the seed from the Roundup resistant plants, and planted the seed in 1998. Monsanto sued Schmeiser for patent infringement for the 1998 planting. Schmeiser claimed that because the 1997 plants grew from seed that was pollinated with pollen blown into his field from neighboring fields, he owned the harvest and was entitled to do with it whatever he wished, including saving the seeds from the 1997 harvest and planting them in 1998. The initial Canadian Federal Court rejected Schmeiser's defense and held for Monsanto, finding that in 1998 Schmeiser had intentionally planted the seeds he had harvested from the wind-seeded crops in 1997, and so patent infringement had indeed occurred.
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I know I'm late to the party, but good post. Do you really think guilt is necessary for reflection, though? Or are you saying it's a compound of issues?

not him but better guilt then denialism and revisionism of supposed innocence. Look at Germany vs Italy.

Because it's a bug country so people will eventually live in small communities + Christianity

>Do you really think guilt is necessary for reflection, though? Or are you saying it's a compound of issues?
As far as what I said in that post specifically? I never specified, all I said was that it's a tool america doesn't have whereas other countries do. Though sometimes I'm convinced that the only way to understand suffering is to be made to suffer, which sounds like a very supervillainish thing to say, but I couldn't imagine Deckard from Blade Runner becoming who he became in the end if it weren't for the scene where Roy hunts him down. Today someone tried to make me explain what it felt like to touch an electric fence, but I told them that all the continental philosophy in the world couldn't compare to just touching the fucking fence.

Honestly, I couldn't agree more, I was just trying to get a read on the response.

Having never seen Blade Runner I will accept your insight for what it is; I can somewhat agree with the sentiment of what you are saying, however.

>I will accept your insight for what it is
Thanks, though bear in mind that the last person who took my advice was electrocuted shortly afterwards.

Read this.

> It is about being against the political power of the intelligentsia as a caste.

And where does this caste actually rule?

> Apparently you really do believe the main reason people hate gmos is that they think it gives them allergies in which case you're an idiot who couldn't even bother to know what they are opposed to.

All opposition to GMOs goes down to either Mad Science cliches, xenophobia in non-Western cases, pandering to primitive religion, Ecoshieet, and populist talking points (muh farmers).

The Chinese are making inroads into upgrading humanity through genetics that America won't.

>Mad Science cliches
>muh farmers
>Ecoshieet

See what I mean?

>Intelligentsia thinking the majority of the population is ever going to be able to join it
Not very intelligent then I suppose. Popular movements were a mistake

Because half of our country is backwards rural hillbillies.

Move to china then, faggot.