How can anyone look at history and realize that nationalism has always led to downfall and that socialism and communism...

care to elaborate?

Russia.

This thread. Jesus, this thread.

>America is virtually a Nazi country
>America is basically communist.

Jesus, you two.

> WWII: Turned Europe into a bunch of US and Soviet colonies, and now into a bunch of suicide cults.
> Korea: Norks are literally a dictatorship.
> Vietnam: United by Vietnamese Nationalists who paid lip service to communism in order to get soviet and chinese aid.
> Destruction of Nazism: Was accomplished by capitalism and motherfucking stalin, that patron saint of humanity and liberty.

Oh, and let's not forget that Vietnman is now a one-party dictatorship with a decidedly capitalist economy.

America was founded upon slavery, racism and segregation. America is ran by capitalists, racists and big business. Modern America bombs and destroys other countries for fun and to extract resources. It keeps its puppet states propped up and uses them. It keeps segregation defacto alive and uses Police as a Gestapo like force to terrorize Black people. The US does not care for the rights or well being of its citizens. The parties are both rum by the same people and you have no choice but to vote for people controlled by the big businesses. Neo-nazis like Richard Spencer are allowed to run around on the street preaching their hate and violence. The TVs are full of right wing propaganda by Fox News and Alex Jones. Face it. The US is basically a Fascist dictatorship.
Then you more than anyone should know the terror inflicted by Nationalists and Nazis.

Russians are and always have been far more nationalist than you retards.

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>USSR wasn't nationalist
Wew retard.

>America is virtually a Nazi country

dude you should take a break from reading slate and watching TYT

They fought AGAINST Nationalists and were anti-racism and anti-bigotry.

They were nationalists who fought against other nationalists you subhuman American shitmongrel.

>America was founded upon slavery, racism and segregation. America is ran by capitalists, racists and big business. Modern America bombs and destroys other countries for fun and to extract resources. It keeps its puppet states propped up and uses them. It keeps segregation defacto alive and uses Police as a Gestapo like force to terrorize Black people. The US does not care for the rights or well being of its citizens. The parties are both rum by the same people and you have no choice but to vote for people controlled by the big businesses. Neo-nazis like Richard Spencer are allowed to run around on the street preaching their hate and violence. The TVs are full of right wing propaganda by Fox News and Alex Jones. Face it. The US is basically a Fascist dictatorship.

Boo hoo, that wealthy, secure and liberal country doesn't manage to have morally spotless politics, what a hellhole!

is this bait or some new pasta i'm unaware of?

I thought you racists said that they were all Jewish globalists ?

>Ameriblubber lingo

It's hard to imagine a society more nationalist and self-congratulatory society than American. Even their "liberals" think that disbanding aggressive Cold War-era military alliance is the worst thing in the world or talk about American "global leadership". Every public policy discussion is always about American interests first.

Whereas in our society public discourse is absolutely dominated by US and/or Brussels shills.

Red Letter Media are looking bad

Have you ever traveled around the world? America is one of the least nationalist countries in the world. Go to Asia, Africa or Eastern Europe and be ready for a profound cultural shock.

America is so nationalist they control and destroy most of those places. They have bases in almost all those countries.

You are aware that many of those countries were imperialist powers in past and would be again today if they could? Every country looks at its own interests first, that is simply history.

I'm pretty sure it's only in post-USSR countries where the word "nationalism" means ethnic prejudices, like not being willing to rent a flat to a Dagestani.

I'm talking about civic nationalism, which is so strong in US that they don't even notice it most of the time and rarely call it into question. In contrast, it's a major political cleavage in Russia (if you look at people that have any coherent opinion). It doesn't even cross the mind of most Ekho Moskvy-type "liberals" that you have to arrive to a policy decision based on what benefit it gives to this country and its citizens, as opposed to to toeing the US/Brussels party line.

Like I said, you need to travel around the world.

Ethnic hatred and prejudice is the least strong in Western societies.

Go to Arab nations and you will find hatred of Africans shown in every day life. It is accepted. Go to Turkey and see how Kurds are treated. Go to Iran and see how Balochis are treated. East Asia is ripe with nationalism, racism and similiar.

Finally, go to West African nations and you will understand the magnitude of your error. I am not a American, and yes, America has problems. But their problems are nothing compared to rest of world.

Civic nationalism is precisely another example of American tolerance. Ethnic nationalism dominates in most countries today.

>nationalism has always led to downfall
That's relative. Dutch nationalism for example led to downfall of Spain, but to rise of Netherlands.

Ho chi minh was a card-carring socialist. He started out as a pragmatic socialist because of anti-imperialism but later became more ideological.

Civic "nationalism" isn't nationalism at all because a nation cannot be made up of significantly different linguistic, ethnic, and cultural identities that are all competing. Civic "nationalism" is just a way for leftists to push the window of discourse further to the left by lumping patriotism in with nationalism. Nationalism is inherently tied to the blood of it's people, a nation must be within a certain range of homogeneity.

That's cool, I've been to Diyarbakir, patches of the old town are basically heaps of rubbish after Turkish military cracked down on Kurdish resistance in 2015, policemen still look underneath their vehicles before taking off for fear of IEDs. Suppression of the Kurdish uprising went completely unnoticed in Western media, I guess ethnic nationalism in Turkey and civic nationalism in the US are not so antitethical after all.

Been to some places in North Africa and East Asia as well, not in West Africa or Iran unfortunately, but would love to go at some point. Now what?

>Civic nationalism is precisely another example of American tolerance. Ethnic nationalism dominates in most countries today.
So I guess it means you agree that we need more of (civic) Russian nationalism here, that's great.

>communist delusion

Yet most nations outside of Eastern Europe are made of "significantly different linguistic, ethnic, and cultural identities". Some nations like Poland, Greece or Germany are the only exceptions because there ethnic minorities were killed off or deported at some point. Ethnically pure nations, like pure copper, are never found in nature, they are always man-made.

No, nations are inherently homogeneous, I think you're mixing up the definitions of state and nation. A nation is a group of people with a shared culture, language, ethnicity, and often but not always religion. A state is a government. The US, for instance, is a single state with many nations. Russia is a single state with many nations. Poland is a nation-state. Ethnically pure nations are almost always found in nature past a certain point of development, it's only when artificial construct, like universal human rights, are imposed from the outside that this development is stalled.

>America was founded upon slavery racism and segregation
And yet it was one of the most liberal countries in the world in the late 18th century.
>Modern America bombs and destroys for fun
Are you retarded?
>It keeps segregation de facto alive
By allowing a black man to be president twice?
>Uses police as a Gestapo like force
You don't know anything about Gestapo and it's methods, do you?
>Much American politics sucks argument
No shit Sherlock! That's why grassroots political movements are gaining relevancy worldwide. Trump presented himself as an outsider that's why he won.
>Neo-Nazis are allowed to run around the street preaching their hate and violence
And you are allowed to run around the internet spreading your communist bullshit. That's called freedom of speech.
>The TVs are full of right wing propaganda
What is MSNBC, ABC, CNN,...? Left wing propaganda has a place on American TV broadcast.
>The US is basically a Fascist dictatorship
Is this what communists actually believe?

>EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS A NAZI

no, nations promote a specific ethnicity and seek to be homogenous. you can still have a nation that controls land populated by non-accepted ethnicities in a nation-state, which as the poster you responded to noted is quite common

The nation state is the foundation of modern society, trying to abandon it, as Europe has done, is leading to disfunction. We fought two world wars over this.

>Nazism and nationalism works
>lose the only war you ever fought

>get steamrolled by THE PEOPLE

Also,

>function for eighty years and have a high standard of living without unnecessary luxuries and be blamed for natural disasters (famines that have happened to Russia for hundreds of years but LOL IT'S GOMMUNISM'S FAULT)
>multiple achievements in science
>have to have a coup to institute a shittier form of government (capitalism) because they didn't have shit food in a supermarket
>the overwhelming majority voted to reinstitute communism but LOLNO WE'RE CAPITALIST NOW
>standard of living drops for most

Honestly, we should kill capitalists.

>he wrote all of that shit for an obvious 2/10 shitpost

Get it together

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>no, nations promote a specific ethnicity and seek to be homogenous
No, a state promotes a specific ethnicity. A nation is a group of people, not a hierarchy, it has no single individual will but the sum of it's collective. It can create a hierarchy, but in that case it would be considered a nation-state. States historically seek to be homogeneous, although in the last decade or so you see Western states actively doing the opposite.

>you can still have a nation that controls land populated by non-accepted ethnicities in a nation-state
No, you can have a state that controls land populated by non-accepted ethnicities, but in such a case it would be a state of many nations. Russia is a good example. Russia is a single state with a dominant nation, the Russian nation. However, there are obviously many smaller, non-dominant nations ruled by the Russian state; Chechens, Chuvashs, Mordvins for instance.

Historically, before the advent of human rights, a state would inevitably seek to homogeneize itself, or at the very least secure the dominance of the ruling nation. For example, Germany became ethnically homogeneous by the various German states and crusading orders eliminating the Wends.

>a high standard of living without unnecessary luxuries
lol the way you phrase this. "Unnecessary luxuries" like food that doesn't come in a can and another bare lightbulb for your 10x10 concrete box of an apartment built by the state. Who needs western decadence like decorations to make your house feel homey when the state provides you with a framed portrait of the glorious leader to place on your mantel (not that you will be lighting many fires since they've also rationed coal and firewood)?