So i hear a lot about Israeli war crimes, human rights violations etc
but all I know about is the illegal settlements and questionable use of force
so itt let's post and talk about Israeli atrocities
are they justified? does Israel have a right to exist?
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also like to emphasis, please don't let this thread delve into anti-semitism or /pol/ posting
you know that's what it gonna happen
"war crime" is a bullshit phrase. there is no such thing as rights.
ok
if you wanted that then you should have actually made this thread about a specific incident instead of pointlessly open ended
Nice effort to about the ban when the mod wakes up.
Anyway, white phosphorus.
Yes, but it is better to live on a planet where we pretend they exist.
i don't really know about specific incidents
Alright then, to answer your question in the OP yes Israel has a right to exist. Why wouldn't it?
Here's a specific incident.
bizarre
how come when I google 'Israel hack palestinian television', I get nothing but "Palestinian hackers target Israel!" etc
it's almost as if the search results favour a certain side
>it's almost as if the search results favour a certain side
They probably do. Now think about all the information we don't know about because it's been totally hidden. We live in 1984.
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>"If Stasi had access to the digital technology available today, it's very possible that you managed to quench the popular uprising," says Jon Karlung.
doubtful
source?
What? You think you can get information about anything you want through google?
gonna go out on a limb and guess its the filename
The Jews And Moral Subversion by E Michael Jones
I meant the quote about the Stasi, that's a really reductive analysis of the fall of communism.
Ok. But we don't know what we don't know, do we? Anything could be going on right now in the dark. I personally think this is what "the matrix" is a metaphor of, and the more advanced technology gets the deeper the matrix gets. We might be living in a totally fabricated reality.
>are they justified?
Nobody is in a position to judge or do anything about their actions.
>does Israel have a right to exist?
If you fight and claim your freedom, you do.
There you go, you weak and pathetic being.
>If you act virtuously, you will be undone by those who are not, make use of this or not according to need.
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I don't know a lot about recent stuff, but Israel was born from a period of intense violence in Palestine during the 1940s and 1950s. The initial expansion of Israel in the 1948 war was marked with ethnic cleansing through forced displacement, burned villages, and widespread violence against civilians.
Many leaders of Israel throughout the 1970s and 1980s participated in war crimes during this period, most famously Prime Minister Menachem Begin. Mr. Begin and others also engaged in suicide bombings and attacks on civilian Arab during the 1940s.
Israel also did a lot of fucked up shit during the invasion of Lebanon. The big one there is when they backed this 'Christian' militia, which by that point had become an ultraviolent gang. The Israelis sat and watched from secure positions while the Falangist militia raped, murdered, mutilated its way through a refugee camp next to an Israeli military base.
not denying any of this, but its a one sided view
Yes to both of your questions.
If true, this is fucking awesome. Now I like Israel even more.
Man. Israel has some great propaganda. In real life, Israel won't even bother sending soldiers. They will just drop White Phosphours on Gaza indiscriminately,and see if they killed Hamas members or just civilians. Most of the time it's just civilians though.
>but its a one sided view
Not even remotely close. Every single thing he said was true. Every single thing.
Yes. Ceasing News Stations by the end of a gun and violating Freedom of press is Awesome.
How do we kill the Cancer, that is the Zionist Apartheid state, that is Israel? America literally fucked over Syria to make sure Israel keeps hold of it's Nuclear monopoly.
>it's almost as if the search results favour a certain side
True. But(!) your argument is helplessly flawed.
First off, the article posted doesn't tell of a hack. Just a simple takeover by force.
Second, 'Israel hack palestinian television' is much more specific than 'Palestinian hackers target Israel'.
Freedom of Press is just a fairytale, I think, it never existed anywhere and never will.
Is there really such a thing as freedom of press though? Personally I think it's a fairytale.
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Menachem Begin is a freedom fighter. This man stood up for the Mizrahim/Sephardim when no one else would.
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I'm 28 generations into Israel, my family fought for the Underground. My family weren't even Zionists prior to the Hebron massacre. When the Arabs decided to massacre one of the most Ancient Jewish communities because of conspiracy theories about Jews planning to attack Al-Aqsa they changed our tone. If the Arabs hadn't tried to decimate one of the most Ancient Jewish communities over conspiracies, all of the back and forth could have been avoided.
How exactly do you reason? The way I think is that Palestine was free to try to end the occupation of the TV-stations. Apparently the Israeli forces were stronger. It's like when Europeans came to America. Should they have stopped and said no, there are people living here, let's turn back to Europe? No evolution of any kind would occur by this principle, no sea creatures would have crawled up on land. We should all stop breathing if this is how we think things should be done.
>Jews doing suicide bombings in the 40s
Going to need a citation for that one.
>Mr. Begin and others also engaged in suicide bombings
I'm glad he recovered then, suicide bombing can be dangerous
Okay it wasn't suicide bombing but they were still blowing stuff up.
and it was against the brits that they were doing that sort of thing as I recall
they really haven't any leg to stand on when complaining about it happening to them
>they really haven't any leg to stand on when complaining about it happening to them
Yes they actually do. Most Zionists were against the Haganah and the Irgun, there was a reason they called it the "Underground." It's because most of them weren't for it, they were killing other Zionists over petty shit. Not to mention the Stern Gang which was even more hated. Hamas was elected by the majority of Palestinians. If you can't see the difference I don't know what to tell you.
"moderate zionists"
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The British were Anti-Semites who were occupying rightful Hebrew clay while jailing Holocaust survivors in internment camps and stealing their babies and experimenting on them. They deserved a lot worse than they got.
I don't think you understand what one sided means
how is that question relevant to history & humanities?
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