How should society, using the academic tools of political science and sociology, tackle the women problem?

There's literally nothing wrong with raising another man's child. You still get the experience of being a parent, you still get the fellow adult human who is as loyal to you as you deserve.

The entire basis of the Christian religion is that a guy named Joseph decided not to throw his wife out onto the street for getting pregnant with another man's baby, and decided to raise it as his own.

When we raise children, adopted or not, what we are passing down is our family's shared history, its values, and its sense of community. These are bonds which are far stronger and more enduring than blood ties.

>women have been completely destroyed
so it is 100% women's fault and 0% men's fault, nothing to do with porn and video games

nah, blame game aside, if you spent a year flattering 1 fat chick after another eventually one would want to fug

Society is not going to hand you a girl, you hopeless neet. You're going to have to figure that out on your own.

What's with you and fat chicks? Anyway porn and video games are likely the refuge activities of males who "drop out", it's an after effect after women reject them because of dumb reasons.

You already know the anwser senpai

>he gets into debates on Veeky Forums to justify his fat fetish
Lmao @ you

>nah, blame game aside, if you spent a year flattering 1 fat chick after another eventually one would want to fug
It doesn't work that way.

Men get frustrated because they chase girls outside their league and think that it's society's fault when they can't land a girl with amateur porn star-grade good looks, and then they go on long rants calling women whores and assume that's the way they all act because every girl they've chased had to be a bitch in order to drive it into his dense skull that she's just not interested.

The truth is that when you date within your own league, people look for compatible personal chemistry and end up with someone whose presence you can tolerate for long periods of time because you have so much in common with them and they laugh at all your dumb jokes. I mean how much could they realistically have in common with a fit-bunny who spends most of her time being physical and has the taut little body to show for it?

The heavier girls won't make you chase them or play games with you because they probably spent their youths chasing boys above their league and were getting the same frustrating results.

not him, but video games and porn are "achievement simulators". The problem is that boys would rather be inside pretending to accomplish something than be outside experimenting and learning from their failures and building the social intelligence necessary to bag girls above their league.

Fat people should die desu

I chuckle every time these memes pop up. It's like as soon as she left surgery she realised that she actually rather liked the attention, and is now trying her best to get it back.

The problem with women is they can't form opinions on their own. They need that popular girl to tell them "what is in" and then 90% of women will follow suit. Too bad the "what's in" opinion is formed by media for bimbo Staceys. Only way to fix women is to teach them how to think and form opinions as individuals

>it's an after effect after women reject them
So that's the sole reason? When they are 15 one girl goes "tee hee I don't like you" then they totally break down? Nowhere in my life experiences have I seen anything remotely like this.

Also only a small minority of males remain virgins into their 20s. Your view is very inaccurate and obviously geared towards a fixation with not wanting to date fat chicks.

Why the hell did Ariel Winter cut her tits off? Wtf was she thinking?

big tits are uncomfortable and painful

Good post.

now there's a door which swings both ways
>The problem with men is they can't form opinions on their own. They need that popular guy to tell them "what is in" and then 90% of men will follow suit. Too bad the "what's in" opinion is formed by honkytonk Dale the ignorant redneck on AM radio and far-right blogs. Only way to fix men is to teach them how to think and form opinions as individuals

That's a human problem, not a woman problem

Good point. Too bad most people have such hige egos nowadays so they can't see any problems in the mirror and fault everyone else but themselves

>Men get frustrated because they chase girls outside their league and think that it's society's fault when they can't land a girl with amateur porn star-grade good looks

Oh fucking please. What planet are you from? Are you a woman? Most men take whatever they can get, 3-5 sexpartners throughout their life and settle with a tolerable one.

The fact is that a minority of men are really attractive to women and these men basically go around fucking all of them. Women arent suddenly gonna lower their standards after being fucked by chads, not until they reach 31 and want kids.

Youre not wrong, but the problem is more pronounced with women and most likely has to do with their lack of self-esteem compared to men.

>Most men take whatever they can get, 3-5 sexpartners throughout their life and settle with a tolerable one.
New to the thread, but that's bullshit, as pretty much any sexual survey will tell you. Most TEEANGERS have around 3-5 sexual partners and that number only goes up, not down. Plus, men usually tend to have more than women.

>The fact is that a minority of men are really attractive to women and these men basically go around fucking all of them.
I hear this 'fact' quoted frequently but never actually any support for it.

>Women arent suddenly gonna lower their standards after being fucked by chads, not until they reach 31 and want kids.
How do you explain pic related? Is it a school that nobody noticed is full of 30+ year old girls?

How are leagues defined? Socio-economic status, looks, academic ability, athletic ability, all of the above?

Great not only this board has become /pol/ with dates, it also has become /r9k/ with dates

Reminder that
-men love to overestimate their performance in bed
-men love to be praised by any woman
-men love to underestimate the lust of women
-men love to underestimate the boredom of women
-men love to think that women love men like women love children
-there is nothing more boring to a woman than to be fucked over and over by only one man
-women see no reward for faithfulness
-women see no reward for their virginity
-women do not desire to have only one provider for sex
-women do not desire to stay virgin
-women do not know how to stay virgin

-the only gift a man possesses by his sheer existence is to be left alone if he wants it, but ofc very few men want this since very few men kill their infatuation with their spook of ''society''

>their infatuation with their spook of ''society''
nor with women

>>>The fact is that a minority of men are really attractive to women and these men basically go around fucking all of them.
>I hear this 'fact' quoted frequently but never actually any support for it.
If women are having a lot of sex but most men aren't, then that means only a relatively few top men are having it with them.

>If women are having a lot of sex but most men aren't, then that means only a relatively few top men are having it with them.
Except I haven't seen any support for that either.

>TEEANGERS have around 3-5 sexual partners and that number only goes up, not down. Plus, men usually tend to have more than women.

Show me a credible study for that. Do you honestly believe that men have more partners than women on average, in this day and age?

>I hear this 'fact' quoted frequently but never actually any support for it.

Yo obviously dont have any chad friends and havent read the experiences of many, many men.

>How do you explain pic related? Is it a school that nobody noticed is full of 30+ year old girls?

Im not gonna try to explain the picture, its a picture im not familiar with and there is no explanation for how it was done.

...

Support for what? It's only logical. Most men are having little to no sex, yet girls keep having it regularly. There's no increase of lesbians, so that only leaves one answer.
If anything, there's no support for what you said in
>Men get frustrated because they chase girls outside their league and think that it's society's fault when they can't land a girl with amateur porn star-grade good looks, and then they go on long rants calling women whores and assume that's the way they all act because every girl they've chased had to be a bitch in order to drive it into his dense skull that she's just not interested.

this is why we need feminism

>Show me a credible study for that. Do you honestly believe that men have more partners than women on average, in this day and age?

businessinsider.com/average-number-of-sex-partners-2015-4

>Yo obviously dont have any chad friends and havent read the experiences of many, many men.
I like your very clear and obvious double standards here. All right, MY completely anecdotal experience shows that yes, sexual distribution is pretty even.

>Im not gonna try to explain the picture, its a picture im not familiar with and there is no explanation for how it was done.
Translation: WAAH WAAH! I'LL IGNORE ALL EVIDENCE THAT DOES'NT FIT MY IDIOTIC BIASES BECAUSE I SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON R9K

You want to actually learn something? Read the paper. hbanaszak.mjr.uw.edu.pl/TempTxt/BearmanEtAl_2004_ChainsOfAffectionTheStructureOfAdolescentRomanticAndSexualNetworks.pdf (but we both know you won't since it provides actual evidence that your stupid self-pity party has no basis in reality)

>Support for what?
For the notion that "only a few top men are having sex with all of the women"

>. Most men are having little to no sex
No they aren't. Let me repeat that. NO THEY FUCKING AREN'T. There are ZERO studies showing that most men are getting "little to no sex". There are studies showing it's down from previous generations, yes, but that most men are having sex, and most men have multiple sexual partners just within the high school experience, never mind beyond that. Prove your FUCKING shit.

How the fuck are you gonna prove that with "studies" man? People can lie about that in surveys, just observe and talk to men.

Hmm you actually got my hopes up, I feel much better now.However I have no idea how to start looking for girls. (Not that poster btw, just a random sad sack)

>How the fuck are you gonna prove that with "studies" man? People can lie about that in surveys, just observe and talk to men.
You mean, the ones where they observe and talk to many men? That's not a better methodology than complaining with your fellow R9K buddies? OK, in my experience, being a man, and having friends, no, most men are not having little to no sex, and I don't hang around with male models, millionaires, or rockstars. I can't think of any male at my company, who hasn't had plural girlfriends in the past.

Islam

In my experience women make more frequent mistakes while men make bigger ones.

And the self-esteem thing stems from women's willingness to be game with their fuck ups, while men are more likely to be diehards about them, destroying their lifestyle and bringing themselves to financial or personal ruin in pursuit of their misguided dreams and unrealistic expectations.

What makes men and women work so great together is that men correct the women's weekly mishaps and de-stresses her by giving her somebody to prattle to after a long day, and the women keep men's feet planted on the ground so he isn't blowing the family nest egg on some get rich quick scheme.

The "women" problem, so-to-speak, is entirely societal. Similar to the IQ difference debate when dealing with blacks, it simply boils down to culture. Just think about how much time a woman spends on maintaining her appearance. Just think about the narrative that gets hammered into children from the minute they are born. Even seemingly harmless movies and films like Cinderella push this narrative of women having to look and behave a certain way. This creates a self-obsessed negative feedback loop where women end up prioritizing something that is objectively trivial over more important characteristics of their character (skill building, developing talents, career, etc....)

It's actually really messed up, in my opinion.

I base this conclusion partially on my experience as an importer/exporter based out of the United States. I deal with A LOT of women both domestically and overseas (primarily China) and I am always amazed by how much more motivated, dependable, and competent Chinese women are. I suspect it has to do with the fact that China has a much more of a "work or die" atmosphere which results in women being forced to prioritize skills and talents over appearance.

Fuck, just think about if you had to wake up every day and spend an hour doing your hair, make up, putting together an outfit, doing nails, getting a tan, whitening teeth, and who knows what the fuck else. It would drive me insane.

Again, the methodology of people self reporting something in which they have vested interest can hardly be reliable.
I don't know in which circles you move, but the existence itself of R9K as you say and a myriad other sites like that, pick up artists being very successful in their business, etc. clearly shows that there's a fuckload of men who are not in a good stance when it comes to sex. You can't ignore something so common.

>How are leagues defined?
They are by definition subjective and cultural context-sensitive, and as such defy classification.

But league can also mean something which is horizontal socially: if you're a dip-spitting cowboy who likes diesel trucks and shaking his ass at the hoe-down, you probably wouldn't enjoy dating the vegetarian obsessed with video games and anime, no matter how cute she is.

>Again, the methodology of people self reporting something in which they have vested interest can hardly be reliable.
As opposed to you talking with your buddies, which is ALSO completely self-reporting?

>I don't know in which circles you move, but the existence itself of R9K as you say and a myriad other sites like that, pick up artists being very successful in their business, etc. clearly shows that there's a fuckload of men who are not in a good stance when it comes to sex.
Translation: MY anecdotal experiences are better than YOUR anecdotal experiences. Also, I won't listen to anything else.

Here's a thought. Most self-selecting social groups are relatively similar in things like outlook, beliefs, and shared experiences. In America, it's pretty rare for people who are hardcore Republicans to have lots of friends who are hardcore Democrat voters. It's not just that they'll argue over politics, but the sorts of experiences that lead one to voting one way or the other tend not to be unique, meaning that people in similar circumstances turn out similarly, and organize themselves thusly.

So if we drop you into flyover country and you note that everyone there seems to vote Red, you can't use that to "prove" that most people are GOP voters, despite the fact that you have the existence of a bunch of Republican voters, posters, social groups, etc. You don't need to have a widespread problem of men not getting sex to support PUAs (And by what metric are they "successful in their business"?), R9K sites, etc. You just need to have a discrete minority which is capable of communicating with other members of said minority, and forming a community around it.

>You can't ignore something so common.
It isn't common, I can ignore it, and quite honestly, I had never even heard of the phenomenon until discovering Veeky Forums.

Businessinsider? Lol? Was the survery anonymous? Thats a pretty big deal.

You are showing off ONE study in ONE highschool as a universal fact and it evens include "Romantic" relationships.

A lot of people here are subtly talking about their issues with women under the pretext they're answering the question, or they answer the question honestly and spit bullshit because of their problems with women.

>How should society tackle the woman problem
It shouldn't, there is no problem. We're all free to do what we want and believe what we want to believe. If a woman is influenced by some twat celebrity or by some twat 'friends' of hers and starts sucking dicks left and right it's her life, she'l face the consequences of her actions years later.

Now if you're a man that thinks a woman should have only one sexual partner in her entire life and won't date one otherwise, again, it's your choice. You're the one limiting your options, not society.

People keep blaming their issues on others instead of fixing them. Women are distributed equitably in society, don't believe the meme that they are fucking their way to the top.

Men or women, the ones that get to the top are the smartest out of the bunch.
The ones that believe themselves to be the smartest of the bunch even though all they do is work some shitty job and bitch about society without even reflecting on the dumb shit they're saying are bound to remain stupid. Don't bother with them, don't bother changing their minds, let them talk about how oversexualization is a big issue, or how the sexual revolution is a big issue all they want.

>There are no studies
>Show a study
>IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Meanwhile, I have yet to see any evidence for your side of things other than self-reports.

>You are showing off ONE study in ONE highschool as a universal fact and it evens include "Romantic" relationships.
And if you bothered to read the paper, which I actually linked to , you would know that they were distinguishing between romantic and nonromantic sexual relationships, and completely discounted non-sexual romantic relationships.

It is profoundly hypocritical to go around making the positive claim, refusing to provide any evidence, and then whining that countervailing evidence isn't good enough. So go on, provide some proof that "most men aren't having sex", or that women are flocking to the top 20% or whatever it is of men.

Are you a woman? Have you been on tinder? Have you seen how many prostitutes, sugarbabes and men willing to throw money at women there are out there?

If men and women have an equal amount of sex in the wild, whats with all the prostitues? Why are men willing to pay for it? Whats with the PUA industry and MGTOW, R9K, redpill and god knows what else?

>The "women" problem, so-to-speak, is entirely societal. Similar to the IQ difference debate when dealing with blacks, it simply boils down to culture. Just think about how much time a woman spends on maintaining her appearance. Just think about the narrative that gets hammered into children from the minute they are born. Even seemingly harmless movies and films like Cinderella push this narrative of women having to look and behave a certain way. This creates a self-obsessed negative feedback loop where women end up prioritizing something that is objectively trivial over more important characteristics of their character (skill building, developing talents, career, etc....)

The whole emphasis on beauty and looks is a result of "female sexual liberation", where as before a competent, strong woman, who was a good housewife, who had good work ethics e.t.c. was looked as a good wife and a good woman, today, this is old fashioned, and women are put on a pedestal to be looked at, demanding everything they want in exchange for sex. Im from Eastern Europe, and you can see good looking older men, with not so good looking wives, because a woman who only good looking, and who only care about her appearance was seen as basically a whore, a slut and a "loose woman" who you couldn't raise a family with. Today its the opposite, an ugly man who has money and status has a smoking hot young wife because she is useless apart from sex. Sorry for this incoherent rant, in China i assume they are still more patriarchal and not as "liberated" as they are in the west, it drives me insane that its literally the patriarchy which values a woman for her skills, intelligence and character rather than looks, but feminists go berserk because a magazine has tits in it, which would never have happened in a more traditional patriarchal society.

You steering completely off course here.

Yes, men and women are like ying and yang and we need eachother. Western society today is too far in womans favour and its only getting more unbalanced.

>Are you a woman?
Nope
>Have you been on tinder?
Nope
>Have you seen how many prostitutes, sugarbabes and men willing to throw money at women there are out there?
Have you seen how many men are in actual, even relationships without having to do that?

>If men and women have an equal amount of sex in the wild, whats with all the prostitues?
Because there's a market for the underclass (for lack of a better term) of men who cannot get sex otherwise. You do know, by the way, that the rate of prostitution went down with the sexual revolution, not up, right?
economist.com/news/united-states/21599351-laying-bare-supply-and-demand-oldest-profession-sex-lies-and-statistics
newsmth.net/bbsanc.php?path=/groups/social.faq/EconForum/book/fandu/M.1263483071.G0&ap=790

>Whats with the PUA industry and MGTOW, R9K, redpill and god knows what else?
A relatively small, insular group that for whatever reason cannot get their dicks wet, and because they rarely interact with the rest of society, convince themselves they're the majority and not a pretty small minority.

>As opposed to you talking with your buddies, which is ALSO completely self-reporting?
Observing and knowing people over time, even mild acquaintances, is not the same as going up to someone and asking them to write their number of sex partners for a survey.

>Translation: MY anecdotal experiences are better than YOUR anecdotal experiences. Also, I won't listen to anything else.
Our anecdotal evidence is equally valid, but you're ignoring a big issue that is indeed there, not just on Veeky Forums as you say. For more mainstream stuff if you want, there's the obvious asymmetry in the sexes in dating sites like Tinder and Okcupid.
And I agree about the possible isolation of issues being due to a minority. But if this problem happens all over the western world (in varying degrees of course), then it's not so homogeneous.

Don't over rely on studies for knowing stuff. This is not an attack on science mind you, but those are just one more of the many sources of info from which to draw.

Im not claiming that most men arent having sex, thats someone else.

>that women are flocking to the top 20% or whatever it is of men.

This is universal fact as old as stone. Women like the big guys, rockstars, rich men, succesful men, the admired man, the captain of the football team. Its the pareto distribution

>Competing for snatch

What a fucking waste of time when you could

1. make money
2. read a book
3. do anything else

Monkeys compete for snatch and play sex games.

Are you a monkey?

> they chase girls outside their league
Tfw "your league" overseas would be 7/10 qt while "your league" at current location is garbage.

>You do know, by the way, that the rate of prostitution went down with the sexual revolution, not up, right?

That completely depends how you define prostitution. Walking the streets? Sugarbabes? Camwhores? Taking gifts and money in exchange for romantic or sexual attention? Porn?

>A relatively small, insular group

Yes the groups themselves are small, but the opinions of them are very common and the groups formed are a result of that.

What doesn't work that way? You seem to be describing the reasoning process behind lowering your standards.

>it's society's fault
Society is at fault with a lot of things, just not the things memesters like OP fault it for. People are steeped in pop culture and normy bullshit and consider anyone who wasn't, for whatever reason, to be a bad person, a weirdo, a nerd, sometimes the tribalism kicks in and they literally hate them just for being different, calling them a "prat" "twat" "cunt" etcetera... viewing them as subhumans. The normy in-group mentality is terrifying. It is no wonder a proportion of boys turn to vidya and internet.

Heavier girls are usually still normies. The key is to expand your horizons, to find the few girls intelligent enough to see through tribalism or who have also seen society's dark underbelly and no longer care for it. Hence why you go from 1 to another, moving onto the next one if she isn't interested, which also solves this problem.

>every girl they've chased had to be a bitch in order to drive it into his dense skull that she's just not interested

One of the few advantages of an impersonal modern society I guess.

come home

>they can't land a girl with amateur porn star-grade good looks,
>not super-model
>not regular pornstar
>not even Sears catalog model
>AMATEUR porn star
In other words a woman that isnt overweight or deformed, a fucking 5!
A FUCKING FIVE IS TOO MUCH FOR THE AVERAGE MAN TO EXPECT.

JUST DIE ALREADY WORLD
HURRY UP AND FUCKING DIE

>Observing and knowing people over time, even mild acquaintances, is not the same as going up to someone and asking them to write their number of sex partners for a survey.
What, and you're inspecting them all the time to make sure that they're really not getting any?

>Our anecdotal evidence is equally worthless
FTFY

>For more mainstream stuff if you want, there's the obvious asymmetry in the sexes in dating sites like Tinder and Okcupid.
Demonstrate that dating sites are representative examples of dating. At least in my (worthless) anecdotal experience, most people don't meet their partners on dating sites. Statistics, which you'll decry, claims that it's about 5% pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/29/5-facts-about-online-dating/

>Don't over rely on studies for knowing stuff.
And what? I should rely on people who are overwhelmingly self-reported as social rejects? I mean for fuck's sake, the argument that widespread distribution of things like dating sites doesn't even fucking make sense.

The world Jewish population as of 2015 is estimated to be 14,310,500
jewishdatabank.org/Studies/downloadFile.cfm?FileID=3394
The world population overall at 2015 is estimated to be 7.2 billion.

usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2014/12/31/us-population-2015-320-million-and-world-population-72-billion

That would make the Jewish population about 0.19% of the world population. I don't know what percentage of Jews are actually serious about their religion, but presumably it's less than the sum total of all Jews everywhere. Nonetheless, you have numerous sites about Jewish theology, selling Judaica like Hebrew commentary, Hebrew bibles, Mezuzahs, etc., outreach organizations like Chabad, and you know, synagogues all over the world. That still doesn't make "religious Jews" anything less than a tiny minority.

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truth, homosex is the master race, you work hard to achieve your ambitions then fuck Hephaistion then get back to work, that is literally all you do all day every day, that is how you build empires

If you can't get 5s, it's because you aren't a 5+ yourself. Therefore you are not average. If you're an 8+, aim for 8+s. If you're 3+, aim for 3+s. Simple shit, dude.

if you are a 1/10 male you should expect a 1/10 female, that's just how it is

>This is universal fact as old as stone
Then you should be able to come up with actual evidence for the fact.
So far, nobody has provided any.

>That completely depends how you define prostitution.
So, in other words, you have to redefine what a prostitute is in order to make your case? Prostitution is literally defined by law.

>Yes the groups themselves are small, but the opinions of them are very common and the groups formed are a result of that.
What on earth makes you think that? How could you possibly demonstrate such a thing?

Was meant in response to

That's a hundred percent wrong.
There's a reason subcultures are sausage fest's until they get popular, and it's not because men follow whatever is popular.

>but le marching fascist man
If men were women there would have been no WW2, because every man would have jumped on the fascism bandwagon instead of fighting it.

Why do you think 8/10 chads are stealing the 5/10 girls when you, a 5/10 man (giving the benefit of the doubt here) won't fuck a 3/10 girl?

I'm not against girls with some chub, but I don't get why that guy keeps saying people need to fuck fat girls

I have marijuana and porn induced autism, banging a fatty isn't going to make me better

>If men were women there would have been no WW2, because every man would have jumped on the fascism bandwagon instead of fighting it.
This is not how it works. And communism and fascist - both very new ideologies were very popular before WW2.

>"equitable distribution of women among the citizenry"
>"once again"

>So far, nobody has provided any.

Dont worry, i am positive you will see studies talking about that fact in the near future when it becomes more obvious to society. We are still deep in "sex-positive" do whatever you want phase.

>Prostitution is literally defined by law.

Yeah and i doubt it covers things like camwhores, porn, sugarbabes and whatever.

>What on earth makes you think that? How could you possibly demonstrate such a thing?

By hearing and reading men talk about it so much? Have you heard rap music lol? A 100 hits about women being untrustworthy whores.

>How do we once again ensure the equitable distribution of women among the citizenry?

I take it you're also a communist, then? If so, go fuck yourself you commie scum. If not, shut the fuck up you hypocritical jackass. Compete for women, get the best women.

My point is that this asshole is claiming that it's unreasonable for an AVERAGE man to land an AVERAGE woman, because that's what an amateur pornstar is. Literally the only qualification for amateur pornstar is "provoke an erection in a man when he sees you naked".

Fuck you all for saying it's unreasonable for a non-fat, non-deformed guy with a job to expect to hook up with a woman of similar qualities.
>but I have a VAGINA so that adds 10 pts. to my score by default.
Die.

I think it's your fault. I see a lot of completely average-looking university students with 5-7/10 girls. Some are even getting married.

>What, and you're inspecting them all the time to make sure that they're really not getting any?
As you do and check they are indeed having sex like you said in your other post? Don't give me that non argument come on.

>Our anecdotal evidence is equally worthless
Maybe, but then the studies are much more so because of what I said.

>Demonstrate that dating sites are representative examples of dating
Nah, of course they aren't. I mentioned it because you liked studies. Of course it isn't representative, but neither are the other ones with some thousands of people sampled on a topic they're likely to lie about.

>And what? I should rely on people who are overwhelmingly self-reported as social rejects?
You should rely on all possible sources of information and of course weight them.
Look, we're not gonna agree. You trust these studies, I don't. It's not the ultimate evidence or even close to me. We're dancing around the same issue about the studies so there's no point.

because 5/10 girls still have reproductive value while a 3/10 does not.

>OMG Since Andrew Zimmerman is willing to eat horse testicles, you should be satisfied with eating literal shit!

>My point is that this asshole is claiming that it's unreasonable for an AVERAGE man to land an AVERAGE woman, because that's what an amateur pornstar is. Literally the only qualification for amateur pornstar is "provoke an erection in a man when he sees you naked".

Yeah, he presumably meant above average. Otherwise he's wrong.

The crucial part here is that the hypothetical man we're talking about is obviously overestimating his score, or underestimating the score of women he wants (their self esteem is a large factor).
Chads aren't stealing the fives. Chads don't want fives, they want eights and nines.

yes it will, she will teach you a lot of things, motivate you and help fool normies into thinking you are one of them, you will have an easier time finding business partners and getting favors

SAY IT LOUD
SAY IT PROUD

PUSSY
VOUCHERS

So what you're saying is, your standards are too high?

I never got this, when it comes to men looks aren't that important. Attitude, money, etc. are more relevant. How many ugly fucks do you see with pretty women?

>they were popular
and yet never gained the equivalent cultural dominance that pop-music and celebrity gossip entertainment have achieved thanks to the universal support of women.

You know, even as your average hopeless virgin that has resigned himself with the idea that he will likely die alone, these types of threads are the cringiest, most autistic stuff i've ever seen, with /r9k/ tier faggots ranting about tinder sluts getting railed by skirt-chasers, and making gross generalisations.

I'm critiquing the mentality not saying I can't laid. It speaks to MASSIVE female entitlement when they think not being a whale somehow makes them out of the average guy's league.

>You still get the experience of being a parent, you still get the fellow adult human who is as loyal to you as you deserve.

Adopted children almost always look for their biological parents at some point. Blood bonds are unbreakable.

>The entire basis of the Christian religion is that a guy named Joseph decided not to throw his wife out onto the street for getting pregnant with another man's baby, and decided to raise it as his own.

Not 'another man's baby', the LITERAL SON OF GOD, conceived by immaculate conception.

>, what we are passing down is our family's shared history, its values, and its sense of community. These are bonds which are far stronger and more enduring than blood ties.

You exist by virtue of your forefather's genes, and your one purpose in life is to pass on these genes. You failed to do so and instead helped another man pass on his genes. You are literally an evolutionary failure.

tl;dr: cuck

dude, celebrity worship, gossip and gold-diggers are as old as organised society.
We have an interbelic building in my capital that's named for some girl that rode the cock carousel and had a lot of sugar daddies, and was pretty famous in her time, she even entered the modern common lexicon.

SLAVE MORALITY

END THE SEXUAL GENETIC ARISTOCRACY TODAY

ONE MAN
ONE VOTE?

NO!

ONE MAN
ONE WIFE

Scratch that, this was before the first world war, i think.

>Chad don't want fives
"Chad" is a man, and like all men will fuck whatever gives him a boner. To use an analogy, just because a food snob only wants the finest cuisine doesn't mean he'll never eat a Twinkie or a bag of potato chips if that's what's around and he's hungry.

>Dont worry, i am positive you will see studies talking about that fact in the near future when it becomes more obvious to society. We are still deep in "sex-positive" do whatever you want phase.
So, in other words, you don't actually have any. That's what I thought.

>Yeah and i doubt it covers things like camwhores, porn, sugarbabes and whatever.
Translation: The actual trends don't support what I want them to, so I'll redefine "prostitutes" in order to make what I say seem less stupid.

>By hearing and reading men talk about it so much? Have you heard rap music lol? A 100 hits about women being untrustworthy whores.
And there are plenty of songs about finding the one and living happily ever after. I guess that's objective truth too and not a reflection of trying to sell music or anything.

didn't she get a breast reduction or something?

any smart claim requires dozens, preferably like at least 50 studies. Anyone that looks at one study and draws conclusions from it is a retard regardless of circumstance, thats how the scientific community works. Test, test, and test again. Nobody takes a single result seriously unless there is a trend, and if there is debate it means that there is no trend to make a solid argument either way, and so logic and reasoning take precedent.

What the user reasoned is pure logic that does not require testing, its also common sense TEE BEE ATCH EYE EM OH

>As you do and check they are indeed having sex like you said in your other post? Don't give me that non argument come on.
Which is why I said they were worthless.

>Maybe, but then the studies are much more so because of what I said.
What you said is idiotic, and the removal of personal biases and selection biases more than makes up for the fact that people might decide to lie to a stranger in completely anonymous surveys.

>Nah, of course they aren't. I mentioned it because you liked studies
You don't read very well, do you?

>Of course it isn't representative, but neither are the other ones with some thousands of people sampled on a topic they're likely to lie about.
You REALLY don't know what you're talking about. The question of whether or not people are inaccurately reporting (which again, just seems to be something you've made up), has nothing to do with whether or not the people interviewed are representative samples of the dating pool.

>Look, we're not gonna agree. You trust these studies, I don't. It's not the ultimate evidence or even close to me. We're dancing around the same issue about the studies so there's no point.
No, the ultimate evidence to you is apparently chatting with your friends. At that point, why should your anecdotes be any better than my anecdotes, or anyone else's? Why should I believe your friends, even if they're accurate to you about their own experiences, are actually representative samples of the population?

>any smart claim requires dozens, preferably like at least 50 studies
recapp.etr.org/recapp/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.StatisticsDetail&PageID=555
advocatesforyouth.org/publications/publications-a-z/413-adolescent-sexual-behavior-i-demographics
usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/07/22/cdc-report-shows-declines-in-teen-sexual-activity-pregnancies
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2792686/
cbsnews.com/news/teens-tell-truth-about-sex/
pewinternet.org/2015/10/01/basics-of-teen-romantic-relationships/
theblaze.com/news/2011/12/20/disturbing-study-finds-teen-group-sex-is-on-the-rise/
guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/1998/11/multiple-sexual-partners-among-us-adolescents-and-young-adults
psychologytoday.com/articles/200107/teens-and-sex

You can start here.

By the way, why isn't the same logic applied to those claims that "Most people don't get sex" and "Women are being hogged by all the chads". Where are the studies for that? So far, I haven't seen any.

>What the user reasoned is pure logic that does not require testing, its also common sense TEE BEE ATCH EYE EM OH
I can't tell if you're legitimately retarded or if you're just being a troll. Either way, I'm done with this retarded shitstack of a thread.