What societies were the closest to being fascist that existed in the pre-Industrial age?

also the intentional breaking apart of family units is pretty interesting, the Qin were shockingly totalitarian

>Fascism
>Nationalism
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That is what differ Fascism from Nazism, Fascism hold the state over the nation, Nazism the nation over the state

Nazism sperged out from that into racial imperium mode pretty quick tho.
You cant put them under such general statement as they were just one excentric regime (not many.so a trend is to be observed) that developed and changed in its own way.

sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp

States as we see them are still a modern creation. Before the modern era borders weren't clearly defined and power was decentralized.

Same thing copter-bait.

How is a state different from a nation?

Nation is a group of people with shared blood and territory, state is an institution.

The state isn't part of the culture while the nation is its crib

That makes sense, the nation is the identity that the people share, and the state is the government.

Now I understand what was talking about.

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First French Empire

>Tojo
>fascism

No one claims Tojo was fascist you dumb fuck

>Nazism
More like German people of all classes dead

Hitler was an autist who wrecked his country

>Tojo
>Fascist

>Hitler
>Fascist

>Petain
>Fascist

Was WWII Italy even facist?
They couldn't deliver in the expansionist part at all

I like how fascists pretend they united all classes, when the working classes mostly voted for social democratic or communist parties.
Fascism was and is a revolt of the squeezed lower middle class.

>French resistance
>Actually killing anyone or doing anything of notice

What differentiates lower middle class from working class? Also, source on that statement?

>French resistance

The BUF never had over 30,000 members, the working class hated them as they were affiliated with the left wing labour party. The middle class hated them aswell as we were well above fascism in the 30's and actually had a stable society even after the economic criseses that divided other European nations

Fuck communism.

Well, thank you anons for actually trying to answer the question. In hindsight I really shouldn't have posted the meme.

Sparta

Name one instance where this happened outside spain.

Spain wasn't even really fascist, just super traditionalist. Pretty sure Primo de Rivera was the actual fascist.

What part of Sparta sounds fascist to you, other than the militarism?

Did that even happen in Spain?

Israel if you ignore authoritarian aspect of fascism and Singapore if you ignore nationalistic aspect of fascism

>Hitler
>Petain
>Tojo
>Fascism

>French resistance
>Resisting

Go back posting this garbage on /pol/ or /leftypol/(from where you probably come)

>affluent bankers
>hiding mosley's eyes

Napoleon wasn't remotely fascistic. He was a radical emancipator who tore down hierarchies everywhere he went, liberating peasants and Jews and spreading liberal ideals across Europe.

But that's retarded, Naziism involved Aryans being really brutally suppressed if they tried to affect their own governance. Nazi Germany was not run by the Germans, but by a clique of party officials.

Hitler murdered trade unionists en masse

>were the fascists actually fascist?
>let's use the Marxist definition of fascism, not the fascist definition of fascism

Only if they were commies.

>Marxist definition of fascism, not the fascist definition of fascism
How do they differ? Could you give me a summary.

Fascist definition of fascism = national syndicalism/corporatism
Marxist definition of fascism = SYMPTOM OF LATE STAGE CAPITALISM WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE MEAN AND OPPRESS AND INVADE OTHER PEOPLE

What does corporatism entail exactly (in terms of actual policies and laws).

>Hitler
>fascist

The name makes you think corporations run society, corporatism means the major industries (agriculture, steel, automotive, etc) are organized into a hierarchy of common interest groups, subservient to the nation and state.
Kind of like state-ran guilds, I guess.
In the US, all farmers would become part of a 'farmers corporation', GM, Ford, Chrysler an 'automotive corporation'. This borrows some ideas from syndicalism but with larger 'syndicates'.
It makes more sense in theory than socialism, because the members of the corporations are more or less independent businesses and private property owners, and thus aren't fucked over by price controls and such.

Tokugawa era Japan

So the state guilds are basically like a union for business owners and they cooperate with the government to ensure each others needs are met?

What were the historical effects of these policies? Obviously Italy and Germany did not see the end results of these policies, but how effective were they in places like Spain, Portugal, and Argentina?