Anons, imagine all federalists projects in Latin America from XIX Century would have worked:

Anons, imagine all federalists projects in Latin America from XIX Century would have worked:
>Gran Colombia
>United States of Central America
>Confederation Peru-Bolivia
>Provinces of Rio de la Plata

How would be Latin America today?

Even more corruption.

Latin America is poor because the Spanish and Portuguese set up resource-extraction colonies instead of the settler colonies of the Anglos. It's very hard for a society to go straight from resource-exploitation to liberal democracy, in Europe we had the whole middle ages to develop the institutions needed to minimize corruption and class conflicts, Latin America made the jump in a single generation so naturally the republics they created had the same problems of corruption and massive social inequality. But despite some false starts, and notwithstanding the economic suicide of Venezuela, Latin America is getting better. Corruption is falling, national cohesion is growing, and the economy is growing (slowly but steadily). Certainly they're making better progress than the other European resource-extraction colonies, such as most of Africa. So the continuation or not of the colonial era states wouldn't necessarily have changed anything. It's possible it would have made them less progressive and thus dampened social development, but on the other hand Spain and Portugal are very left-leaning and maybe their influence would have accelerated change in Latin America. Most likely, it would have had no real effect and Latin America would be poor either way for the same reason: It just takes time to build a successful nation.

I wonder how did Chile manage to get away from both Peru and Argentina.

I mean, both of them got Bolivia a bunch of times, and Colombia got Venezuela. Meanwhile, nobody cared about Chile

>Latin America is poor because the Spanish and Portuguese set up resource-extraction colonies instead of the settler colonies of the Anglos
>What is the naval act
First meme debunked.America was as much of an extraction colony as Mexico if not even more
>It's very hard for a society to go straight from resource-exploitation to liberal democracy, in Europe we had the whole middle ages to develop the institutions needed to minimize corruption and class conflicts, Latin America made the jump in a single generation so naturally the republics they created had the same problems of corruption and massive social inequality
The american institutions have nothing to do with the Brittish counterparts.It took many drafts to get a constitution that threw all British law into the trash

Andes with Argentina and a desert with Peru

Is Bolivia Peruvian clay?

>It just takes time to build a successful nation.
I'm a latin american myself and I have to ask
>what if Singapore
>what is Japan
We can't blame it all on the spanish colonial times.

It should've just become one big continuous country like Brazil.

Incas were superior to europeans.

>get away from Peru.

By fucking their shit up in a war.

meant to reply to this

Chile is like the UK of Latin America, isn't it?

>Costa Ricans
>wanting to be in a same union with their Northern neighbors

Doubt it, OP, the only reason they ever joined the original one was because they were isolated from them so the Central Government wouldn't interfere with their affairs, and the assigned representative of Costa Rica on the Federal Congress (they didn't have congressmen because it wasn't possible to attain an acceptable level of communication) always talked against the Union, the Federal Government and the like.

>America was as much of an extraction colony as Mexico if not even more

Even more ethnic violence and animosity. You have now put each ethnicity in the same country with its neighbors and asked them all to neither discriminate against others, nor favor themselves. It just doesn't happen.
You're begging for a South American Austro-Hungarian Empire. And there is no cultural hegemon up north to keep things civil for you if shit hits the fan.

Brazilian

The South was an extraction colony in most regards, but saying it was anywhere close to places like Mexico or Peru is downright retarded.

America was just a customer market for the British.They couldn't manufacture anything due the naval act and all the south was just a big plantation.Humblot claimed exactly that.And he came to the continent after the independence war.

I don't know, man. The federalist project seemed to have worked for us brazillians and we're in no way better off than our neighbours.

I feel the need to remind you that bigger is not always better when it comes to countries. Sometimes smaller governments, seems to me, are easier to manage.

>each ethnicity
So, spanish speaking amerindian? I count one.

O'Higgins and then Portales made sure Chile was ridiculously nationalist and independent early on. It helps that the then Peruvian kingdom and Bolivia loved to meddle and conspire in Chilean politics and ha, awakening the ire of Chileans.

They had to ship raw materials to Britain to get stuff shipped back from there.

Couldn't manufacture stuff locally.

Order a fire place in Britain. Wait a few months. Receive the fire place in a box. They forgot to pack the mantle piece!

>Peru-Bolivian confederation not having antofagasta

delet this
>peruvian kingdom
wat
>conspire in Chilean politics

what are you talking about?
Please expand.

Has Bolivia any chance of recovering Antofagasta?

Also anons, in what country will you merge Ecuador? Peru or Colombia?

Bolivia has 0 chances of recovering Antofagasta. The people who live there consider themselves chilean. They already have free ports there and in Peru. However, who knows what will happen once Bolivia invest more in the lithium sector. I hope they don't go full Saudi Arabia and expand like crazy.

>in what country will you merge Ecuador? Peru or Colombia?

Ecuador used to be more "andine" than it's now. Before it was rightful peruvian clay as you see in many old maps. Then years passed and they were COLOMBIA'D and now they all speak as colombians. Peru had like seven wars with them because of muh jungle and paquisha. Ecuadorians now think they lost that territory because fucking Fujimori (japanese president of peru) bribed the ecuadorian congress.

The last war ended in 1996.

So it should be Colombia since they have more cultural ties with them.

>America was as much of an extraction colony as Mexico if not even more

What a completely moronic thing to say. If you don't know anything at al about the subject, keep your idiot "thought" to yourself.

>>what if Singapore
Founded from scratch by Brits, it inherited British institutions as a result. Also, people love to hype Singapore, but it's actually not a very prosperous country, it's just surrounded by even less prosperous ones.
>>what is Japan

You realise Japan isn't a colony, right? It has literally thousands of years of development.

>We can't blame it all on the spanish colonial times.

Well those times are long gone so no, modern Latin America is responsible for its own failings. But those failings were laid in by the Spanish system of resource extraction, it is the fault of Spain that Latin America had to start pretty much from scratch after independence, with no useful institutions to piggyback off of.

It's not that they couldn't make stuff, there was just no point making a shitty fireplace in Virginia when you could just order one from the workshops o the old world.

Both

Chile would fuck them up again.

Lmao. Chile couldn't do shit without britain's help.

We are going to recover the Huascar this year. Later we'll destroy your already broken ass and eliminate your parasitistic culture of lies and robbery.

EL PERUANO: DURANTE SU
NIÑEZ... ES OBLIGADO A ORDEÑAR
CABRAS..VACAS... LIMPIAR ESTABLOS
``EL PERUANO ``SIEMBRA`` PAPAS. CEBOLLAS`` Y HACE TRABAJOS
AGRARIOS!!..el peruANO NO SE BAÑA , NO ESTUDIA ,
NO VA A LA ESCUELA , AL COLEGIO NO VA A LA UNIVERSIDAD ES UN SER IGNORATE TORPE,
CERRADO , BRUTO , ESTUPIDO , SOEZ , REPUGNANTE

-QUE ES PERUANO EN ``LATÌN ???

*``INDIUS HEDIONDUS MONUS``

¿ COMO RECONOCER A UN PeruANO ES LA COSA MÁS FACIL, AQUI CITAMOS SUS PRINCIPALES CARACTERISTICAS:

0- SON FEOS, HORRIBLES, ABYECTOS, INSIGNIFICANTES...HEDIONDOS
1- SON MARRONES, COLOR CACA, TIRANDO PARA COBRIZOS, PARECEN MOJONES
2- SON ENANOS, 1M50 A 1M60, PARECEN DUENDES ANDINOS
3- SON PATAS CORTAS O PATA CHUECA , VERDADEROS ENGENDROS DE LA NATURALEZA
4- NO TIENEN CULO, NI HOMBRES NI MUJERES
5- NO TIENEN CUELLO, PARECEN GUSANOS CON LODO
6- TIENEN LA TREMENDA NARIZ, DE CONDOR, O TUCAN
7- SON OREJONES, YA LOS ESPAÑOLES LOS LLAMABAN ASI
8- SON ACHINADOS Y NO TIENEN PÁRPADOS
9- TIENEN POMULOS SALIENTES
10- TIENEN LA CARA REDONDA E HINCHADA , ESTOS CARA DE GUANACO

>chile using a copypasta
How am I not surprised?
You own nothing. Sad.

Dominican here.

Anyone who has even subtly responded that the fault of the current situation is Spain or Portugal's falt is an imbecile or an ignorant. Precisely the current situation of Spanish America was caused by the Balkanization achieved by the damned separatists. In fact, many of these rats were supported by England, precisely to weaken Spain. Today they are praised in schools and the media as heroes.

-Fujimoris bow to el peruANO
-In contact with aliens
-Possesses psychic-like abilities
-Controls Perú with an iron but fair fist
-Owns stables & agrarian settlements globally
-Direct descendant of the Inca blood line
-Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Cuzcograd will be be the first city)
-Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth
-First designer babies will in all likelihood be el peruANO babies
-Is said to have 65+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in the Bolivian Plateau & American educational institutions
-Ancient Incan scriptures tell of an angel who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with him
-He owns potato farms around the world
-You likely have peruANObots inside you right now
-el peruANO is in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of la Pachamama to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader's first trip to Antisuyo in history literally a few days later to elPeruANO bunker in Andes land?
-He learned fluent Quechua in under a week
-Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the elperuANO. There's no gold in Habsburg coffers, only elperuANO coffers
-elperuANO is about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
-In reality, he's a timeless being existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don't know his ultimate plans yet. We hope he's a benevolent being.

>falt
fault

>2 copypastas
I wonder how many of them you've robbed already.

I'm not, also, I inveted this one from the bogdanoff brother's pasta

Not even chilean lol

So you are just a memespouter

EL CHILENO ES UN ANIMAL CONFLICTIVO, HEREDERO DE UN MESTIZAJE MALIGNO ESE QUE TANTO LOS AVERGÜENZA, CON INCLINACIONES A LA TRAICIÓN, EL ROBO, LA PELEA SUCIA Y DESIGUAL, COMO EN TODAS LAS GUERRAS QUE HA PARTICIPADO CON APOYO DE EMPRESAS INGLESAS PARA ROBAR A SUS VECINOS, TREMENDA RAZA DE RATEROS LA CHILENA... NADIE EN EL MUNDO CIVILIZADO QUIERE A UN RATERO, PERO ES COMPRENSIBLE TANTA RABIA CHILENA, SI VIVEN ARRINCONADOS EN UNA RAYA EN EL FIN DEL MUNDO...

Yo sé que es lo que les molesta a nuestros vecinos... Que no nos importa lo que piensen.

Sigan diciendo que somos "traidores", "ladrones", o lo que sea... Uds no son noticia en nuestro país, solo causan noticia cuando llegan de inmigrates a nuestro país. En general, ni nos acordamos de nuestros vecinos, y claramente, no es el mismo caso con ustedes.

En fin, ese pensamiento de resentidos, sobre algo que ni les tocó vivir, no es muy alejado de lo que pasa con los SJW de primer mundo.

Enfóquense en ser una mejor sociedad, en vez de mirar en que es lo que hace el vecino... Dejen de ser tristesy paranóicos perdedores.

>Uds no son noticia en nuestro país
rude

sick banter lads

Tan facil de baitear a estos indios con simples palabras

Jaja saludos

>The american institutions have nothing to do with the Brittish counterparts.It took many drafts to get a constitution that threw all British law into the trash

How is it even possible to be this wrong? Sure, the "Roman" republican model of governmemt is different from a parliamentary system, but so much of the law, political ideologies, and philosophies of society and government derive from British foundations that so don't even know where to start. I'm going to make a wild guess and say you don't know much about the law.

>America was as much of an extraction colony
Loads of religious extremists who wound up bringing along sufficient women to breed with locally != what happened down south m'boy.

>America exports raw materials to the UK
>Has to import the manufactured goods from UK
Can you tell me how is thisnot an explotation colony?

They couldn't. Why the fuck people comment without having a fucking clue? The naval act was abolished in 1836.

>no son noticia
Claro, orgullosos se roban cultura. Típico apellido chileno es Hurtado juasjuasjuas