Is there free will in heaven? Or are we just robots that endlessly praise God, with the capacity to sin removed. If all sins are removed in heaven is it impossible for us to feel certain emotions or enact specific things?
If God wants us to have free will on Earth why wouldn't he want it in heaven?
I think in heaven free will is abolished. It is replaced with a mystical vision of God.
God is benevolent so he wants us to be happy. What would make us happier than a beatific vision of His Glory?
"They shall be as the angels in heaven."
"That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven."
Why would God want free will on earth? So that the creation would be more righteous. A human with free will and chooses to be good is more righteous than an angel who has no capacity to choose.
Because the purpose of free will in Christianity is just to test your resolve and love for God. It's just a tool to see if you willingly will love god or choose to sin.
Free will has no purpose in heaven as you no longer need to be tested.
man, how much I hate JW artworks.
Think of Adam and Eve, they got thrown out of paradise after eating from the tree, what makes you think you won´t be thrown out, if you get into paradise?
you are on earth to learn how to behave so you won't be in disagreement with god
>What would make us happier than a beatific vision of His Glory?
Having free will.
Your wrong. We will have free will. We just will never choose against him after the beatific vision. Angels do have free will, how do you think Lucifer got 1/3 of the angels to fall with him.
Heaven is better than you can possibly imagine.
Can you imagine a heaven where you have free will? Heaven is better than that.
Why would God create you with free will, and right where it gets interesting, take it away from you? (And more importantly, wtf would you do to stop Him?)
Free will is literally a trap to trick you into not putting your faith in God. You cannot believe in Christianity and consider free will a good thing.
Free will is what got Adam and Eve removed from paradise. The entire purpose of the religion is to beat free will into loving god. Heaven with free will is nonsensical. You have no use for it anymore.
You won't want to work against him, in the same way you won't want to put your hand in lava. Everything good we do on this earth, everything we feel that is good, is from the grace of God. Without God's participation we fail. So he's definitely teaching us wisdom and to side with him. How this all ends, we just have to hope in his mercy. That's one thing we can ALWAYS ber certain of, that God is merciful to the repentant. To the rebellious and immoral and evil. He is just and fair, let's them feel exactly what they want. Which eventually leads them to run right back (prodigal sons).
>implying you have free will right now
>is there free will in a fictional place
humanities was a mistake
Dude, why the fuck are some of them disembodied upper torsos and others are smaller whole human beings?
>Is there free will in heaven?
yes it is
and all are free to do whatever they want
but they see God so they want to be with Him
Also you won't be tempted to do bad things, because you will have glorified bodies and no longer any malicious spirits roaming around.
you realise that you can use your free will in other dillemas than good vs evil? Like "if I want to eat an apple or banana?" or "do I want to learn maths or art?". Neither choice is good or evil in itself. In heaven you can also choose one thing or another, for example wisdom or beauty or some other virtues, not denying any of the others.
Exactly. Even though technically those are all GOOD choices.
You do have free will: free will to damn yourself, and free will to be united to God in heaven. When you've made up your will on what kind of afterlife you will go to, then when you get there you can't repent of it.
Love how JW are super autistic about icons and stuff, and the Tawhid(not a muslim, but the word makes sense here) of God, and how His Incarnation is impossible, that God is immaterial and all that, but they depict God the Father in their propaganda.
God the Father is depicted in the Bible. As grey-haired old man on a throne for instance.
>My lack of a face when 'God' is some 5th dimensional dweebazoid with an unhealthy obsession for our solar system and runs 5 billion simulations of it, in parallel, because he likes to noclip and jack off to sun bears.
>Heaven is just a place full of virgin sun bears.
>God doesn't understand why nobody fucks the sun bears in heaven.
Do Christians actually really know anything about heaven and the afterlife or do they just make up brand new shit off the top of their head and hope no one calls them out?
I feel like they all get trained at an early age being told tall tales about space and god and the afterlife so they get this impression that we should all just invent imaginative just-so stories and that everyone will appreciate them for their storytelling talents, instead of actually thinking about the ideas and content of the story.
>I feel like
Does free will necessitate sin?
imagine being in a permanent state state of an opium and sex climax
that's kinda what Heaven is like
No but with free will there s always a "wrong" choice and "right" choice. the wrong choice is the sin variable
This user has it right. Free will is a libertine invention made famous in the West by John Locke, who recovered it from Aristotelian tradition. In Scripture, there simply is no such thing as "free" will. Humans have a will, but it is totally and completely enslaved by the sinful human condition. It is not free, able to make its own unfettered decisions.
How free is your will if you get bamboozled by malicious spirits?
You don't retain any individual corporeal form in "Heaven".
You unite with the almighty, and thus you know everything, you experience everything, you are beyond time itself, everywhere at once, you are removed entirely from your individual scope and become what could be considered "infinite" in every single way. Sin at the very least requires one to actually be bound by time and to retain some individual nature, there is no time in Heaven, no space left for sin, you know every feeling of every possible experience imaginable and beyond.
This is the only conceptualization of Heaven that makes sense, otherwise it would be under some kind of material and temporal restrictions or conditions, which is just not possible when you move beyond the material and temporal realm entirely.
For sin to be absent from a Heaven where everybody retains individuality you would not only need to totally abolish all freedom of action but also freedom of thought, and in doing so you would totally lose your individuality in the first place as you become the "most perfect" being you (and anyone else) could be, Heaven in that case would be a paradox, you can't realistically relate your Heavenly self to your mortal self, you can't say you are an individual when all the perfections and imperfections that made you who you are are totally paved over.