So Veeky Forums, the two iconic ww2 fighters: the Vickers-Armstrong Supermarine Spitfire and the Messerschmitt bf 109

So Veeky Forums, the two iconic ww2 fighters: the Vickers-Armstrong Supermarine Spitfire and the Messerschmitt bf 109.
Which was better?

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Which do you think is more important, a better flight ceiling and consequent diving, or rapid turning?

The Focke Wulf 190

Umm sweetie, that's not the P-51D

Flight ceiling. Especially if you want to hunt down bombers trying to annihilate your capital.

IL-2 was the best. Any other answer is wrong.

Comparing a ground attack craft to a fighter is kind of wonky.

It is objectively the best plane. But if we want fighters, then La-7 trumps all shitty western fighters.

best plane of ww2 is pic related

stay mad krauts and anglos

>Objectively
I don't think you know what that word means.

>But if we want fighters, then La-7 trumps all shitty western fighters.
First off, anything that comes out in 1944 is going to be tricky to compare to earlier fighters,anywhere you go.

But it was also slower, couldn't fly as high, couldn't fly as far, and more weakly armed than the P-51D. There's a reason that the overwhelming majority of Luftwaffe plane losses were inflicted by the Western Allies.

The Folgore? It wasn't even the best plane with that name.

>1940 modle
>only 75km/h greater top speed than a Soviet plane that was introduced in 1934
Lmfao
>not even 1/4th the amount produced.
good one, Luigi.

IL-2 won the war.
Spitfires were known as the "Yaks of the West", the La-7 gunned down a Me 262.

>IL-2 won the war
But the IL-2 isn't a strategic bomber.

>IL-2 won the war.
Hardly. If anything, it was the 122mm gun that "won the war" in the east,it delivered a fuckton more explosive than the sturmovik.

>Spitfires were known as the "Yaks of the West", the La-7 gunned down a Me 262.
I can't even tell what you're trying to say. But here, have a read.
don-caldwell.we.bs/jg26/thtrlosses.htm

You're right, it's a ground attack plane that gave the Germans a run for their money. Dumbass Nazis couldn't use altitude to their advantage, so they got fucked by Lavochkins and Yakovlevs while IL-2 was giving hell.

>Hardly
Westaboo propaganda revisionist
Also k/d means nothing if u only kill irrelevant Germans. East Front took down the greatest of pilots.

>Westaboo propaganda revisionist
Please, give your amazing sources for your claims.

>Also k/d means nothing if u only kill irrelevant Germans. East Front took down the greatest of pilots.
Such as this one.

Everyone in this thread needs to be nicer to one another

>Please, give your amazing sources for your claims
Google it, you idiot.

>Such as this one
Google, again, westaboo.

The D520 in 1940.

Otherwise, Fw190 A8.

I think they need to stop playing so much war thunder

[draws gunsights on the glass]

the p-51 mustang

[shoot down multiple Nazis anyway]

*saws out another hole in the fuselage for the rear gunner*

nothing personal, kid

*Performs sorties that allies could only dream of anyway*

>Bubi
>Guns down planes in airfield
>Shoots down 1940 planes that were already obsolete
>USSR deploys Yak-3s
>Annihilate Me 109s
Lmfao, this is what Nazis take pride in? Kozhedub shot down your shitty Uber Me 262 in a prop fighter plane.

*draws food in the snow*

*Don't have to buy food cause stupid westies give us anyway*

*doesn't have to understand basic rethorics because the degrees are given anyway*

*Have an easier time shooting while Westies have to do advanced mathematics to simply even look at something right*

[stands in breadline]
cyka blyaat

also P51s regularly shot down 262s

I don't get it. I shoot for the stars everyday, and I did physics.

I think we're getting out of topic Pavel.

[don't have to pay for rent]

>also P51s regularly shot down 262s
Western propaganda

>I did physics
So did I.

>russian education
yuo are of genius, boris

better than your western revision, Tommy.

Can you guys please stop answering to more than an obvious troll

>bringing up revision

Yeah? The pic you posted is literally revision.

Are you people seriously this dense that you can't realise he's taking the piss out of you?

Shut the fuck up, westaboo.

its fun

who hurt you, Igor