Did this man, Santiago Fujimori, do anything wrong? Was he responsible for crushing the shining path...

Did this man, Santiago Fujimori, do anything wrong? Was he responsible for crushing the shining path? Was he any more authoritarian than his predecessors? And how did this asian guy get into power in a Latin American country?

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there was a lot of japanese immigration during the period between meiji and ww2.

there are are even japanese enclaves in cuba.

Fujimori rose to power during a time when people really wanted change in Peru. He was able to take advantage of the intelligent Asian stereotype by presenting himself as a brainy technocrat who could take a smart approach to solving problems. His foreign character gave him a certain charm, and he was very good at demonstrating respect and interest in the cultural traditions and norms of Peru.

LA MISERIA HUMANA EN SU MAXIMA EXPRESION.........EL AUTOR DE ESTE POST...........UN PERUANO ODIOSO, FRUSTRADO, ENVIDIOSO, CON COMPLEJO DE INFERIORIDAD COMO MUCHOS, QUE NO ENCUENTRA OTRA MANERA DE EXTERIORIZAR Y DESFOGAR LAS MISERIAS PROPIAS DE UN DON NADIE POBRE DIABLO REDUCIDO A DESECHO. !!!!!!!!!!! DAS LASTIMA !!! Ya lo decia Alberto Fujimori, el ex-presidente peruANO

Fujimori: EL PERUANO QUIERE SER RACIALMENTE ARGENTINO Y CULTURALMENTE CHILENO. Con que argumento valido me puede rebatir el pobre y triste autor peruANO de este post. EL QUE DA RISA ERES TU Y TU POBRE VIDA ODIOSA. EL PERU, como lo dijeron muchos famosos, Es UNA MIERDA RECHASADA POR CADA RAZA DEL MUNDO, DESDE INDIGENA, BLANCA , ASIATICA, JUDIA ETC Y POR ESO NO HAY NADA EN PERU DE VALOR NI DE IMPORTANCIA, LA UNICA EXPORTACION QUE PERU LE DA AL MUNDO ES EL PERUANO: UN SER TORPE, HEDIONDO Y FEO. LA GASTRONOMIA PERUANA? UNOS PAJAROS QUE COMEN BASURA Y SE CAGAN EN LAS VENTANAS DE NUESTROS AUTOS O LAS RATAS FRITAS QUE SE COMEN. !!! UN PERU CONDENADO, POBRE Y ASQUEROSO, ENVIDIA DE NINGUN PAIS !!!

did he live up to the stereotype or is was as you say a ploy to take power but with no substance behind him?

>communist psiops couldnt stop alberto from saving peru

>chileno detected
Wordplay with no substance.
He was caught with a lot of corruption shit also he helped the terrorists interrupting a crucial operation without a coherent reason.

tradingeconomics.com/peru/gdp-growth-annual

see for yourself

Another American puppet used like a whore who thought human rights abuses would remain impune and thrown to the dogs after.

I'd love to discuss policies and its consequences, not meme graphics with holistic brainlet interpretations, thanks.

Economically he was effective, as a consequence of being right wing. But he was also an abuser of executive power.

>i have no argument against sustained economic growth for 20 years

Can you explain his success?

You started a thread to judge him as a politician. He commited crimes. He didn't do anything special for his policies, the education and company boom was inevitable if we kept the trend without a socialist robber.

You know nothing. Keep trying, faggot.

Latin America is an Asian country. At least half.

>You started a thread to judge him as a politician.
OP here that isn't my post.

>was inevitable if we kept the trend without a socialist robber.
can you elaborate

>can you elaborate
You just should check the hack of Alan García and the stupidity that led to our crisis back then. It's fucking ridiculous. Avoid wikipedia's opinion and evaluation of consequences.

Learn about fujimorism:
acuedi.org/ddata/661.pdf
As every politics analysis it has bias, don't be a retard and you will be fine.

His name is Alberto Fujimori you retard
T. Peruvian American

Shit meant to reply to the OP

>Was he responsible for crushing the shining path?
Pagan Min?

asians don't belong in latin america mexico did nothing wrong when they genocided the chinese

I remember his daughter Keiko came to a uni over here in America one time while she was campaigning for the Peru election last year.

Any Peruvians here want to illuminate me on how she compares to her dad?
I have the impression she's really only in politics to get her daddy out of jail.

In the end, was Alberto Fujimori good for Peru?

It was good at doing his job partially, he used unethical and "magic pill" kind of policies to get rid of poverty. He helped indirectly the shining path when he stopped an important operation and delayed its destruction 2 years.

His performance from 1990 to 2000 seems kind of all over the place.

Did Shining Path do anything wrong?
Leftists usually have a better concept of morals

Terrorism.
They caused the death of 31000 people more or less.

What did these 31000 do to deserve it though?

It's Alberto Fujimori.

>do anything wrong?

Yeah. Appart from doing a self coup d'etat and crushing the free press with really creative techniques (creating tabloids and menacing actual journalists), he shitted the peruvian economy.

Most people who say "He did a lot of bad shit but fixed the economy" kind of like Pinochet, it's not true. Yes, they state owned corporations were utter shit, but when you read that the state telecommunications corporation was like 10 times worth its value compared when they sold it to Telefonica, shit like that makes you realise that it was just plain corruption. It wasn't a privatization like Hjalmar Schacht did.

>Was he responsible for crushing the shining path?

There are mainly two "schools of thought" on this:

>Fujimori didn't care about human rights because he wanted to stop the Shining Path no matter the cost

>Fujimori actually used the terrorists attack made by Shining Path to keep his power, while he did fought them, there are many reports made by SIN members (CIA of Peru in that time) that Fujimori and Montesinos (bff of Fujimori and the guy who did the dirty stuff) knew of the location of the SP leader but didn't do anything because this would mean there will be no need to keep a strong government

The second thing is now what appears to be true after the SIN members were interviewed.

>Was he any more authoritarian than his predecessors?

Definitely not, there were shitloads of dictatorships in Peru.

>And how did this asian guy get into power in a Latin American country?

Peruvians are pretty racists and "racialists" so they unironically believe in stuff like "certain races/cultures are better at some things than other". That's how Fujimori got the presidency.

>he's a japanese guy. Japanese are hard working and noble

HOWEVER, keep in mind he was against Vargas Llosa, who said he was going to do the economic shock. Fujimori said he wasn't going to do it, yet you all know what happened.

1/2

Mario Vargas Llosa was a candidate of the FREDEMO, a movement supported by the high class and pro-free market economists.

The sad truth that no one will tell you is that the leftists supported Fujimori because they were against FREDEMO for obvious reasons. Fujimori wasn't a leftist yet populist. Previous to this, he became rector if the UNALM (university) with the support of the communists. He was known there to be a totalitarian rector who did a lot of shit.

All peruvians leftists and communists hate the Shining Path. They were maoists so guess who were their first victims. It's funny that from all the leftists and communists killed during the Internal Conflict, it was them who suffered the most deaths. Also, they killed lots of peasants.

The Shining Path leader was some sort of hardcore Kantian whose university thesis was about mathematics and politcs (wat?). He travelled to China and turned maoist. I'm sure China helped them since many of SP weapons were from chinese origin.

SP was formed after the Peruvian Communist Party had a congress about taking arms against the state. The minority who agreed formed the Shining Path. Keep in mind they weren't the only armed group, there was also the MRTA who mostly attacked soldiers, policemen and kidnapped wealthy bussinessmen, until Tarata happened (bombing of a civilian building by mistake).

It was a clusterfuck but I'm pretty sure it could have been stopped without so much deaths made by the government.

Thanks for the explanation. Are you american for a chance?

>Leftists usually have a better concept of morals
Bad bait I hope.

>I'm sure China helped them
Coincidentally the country has the most Chinese anywhere on continent.

very nice explanation, thank you. i'm surprised this thread did ok i made it half seriously

also wasn't vargas llosa a nobel winning author who was once a revolutionary of some sort? why the fuck did he become a neoliberal shill, i hadn't known he became that

In theory they do. Rightwing is usually every man for himself/individualist while leftwing is more community oriented and seeking equality.

The peruvian chinese all hate the PRC because most of them came during the Cultural Revolution or during the Civil War. The modern ones that immigrate here hate it as well. There were zero chinese peruvians in the SP.

Kek.
Vargas Llosa won the Nobel Prize recently. In that time he was a famous writer. He used to be a commie (read La Niña) but then he went full neoliberal just like many did. Lots of neoliberals in the world were previously commies/trotskyists. I'm not joking.

>in theory
How is robbery and oppresion morally good?

Get the fuck out of here.

You made it because you got assblasted on the other thread. Incas were superior to europeans.

Pls don't start a shitstorm like that thread. Tawantinsuyoposting will save Veeky Forums.

yes when that poster mentioned castrated indians i was inspired to make it. but i didn't participate in that thread at all desu

Merit for breaking Shining Path belongs to the peruvian army for developing a well thought counterinsurgency doctrine through years of fail. Fujimori just happened to be in charge.

Sure.

What thread was that?

a thread on the inca, looks like its in the archive now

>authoritarianism = leftism
No you dumb cunt

Buzzwords. Typical brainlet european capacity.

Incas were superior.

He was bit extreme in his responses, but above that, I'd say he was a President that the country needed. He pulled the country from being a buttend of of Latin America to something that was starting to grow in rigor. I think the main problem here was that he fled the country instead of taking responsibility. Should he had stayed, I'd think the public would support him and the next president would probably pardon him of his crimes if that president wanted to stay on public'd good side.

kek that happened where I was born. I never knew about it until my grandma told me about iy.

-Fujimoris bow to el peruANO
-In contact with aliens
-Possesses psychic-like abilities
-Controls Perú with an iron but fair fist
-Owns stables & agrarian settlements globally
-Direct descendant of the Inca blood line
-Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Cuzcograd will be be the first city)
-Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth
-First designer babies will in all likelihood be el peruANO babies
-Is said to have 65+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in the Bolivian Plateau & American educational institutions
-Ancient Incan scriptures tell of an angel who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with him
-He owns potato farms around the world
-You likely have peruANObots inside you right now
-el peruANO is in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of la Pachamama to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader's first trip to Antisuyo in history literally a few days later to elPeruANO bunker in Andes land?
-He learned fluent Quechua in under a week
-Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the elperuANO. There's no gold in Habsburg coffers, only elperuANO coffers
-elperuANO is about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
-In reality, he's a timeless being existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don't know his ultimate plans yet. We hope he's a benevolent being.

Typical Pres takes the credit for something he didn't so?

>Vargas Llosa won the Nobel Prize recently. In that time he was a famous writer. He used to be a commie (read La Niña) but then he went full neoliberal just like many did. Lots of neoliberals in the world were previously commies/trotskyists. I'm not joking.

The leap from one to the other isn't large. Vilagisation just has different reason behind it really.

>tfw my parents are hardcore fujimorsitas to the point where my dad wrote an angry letter to Boston University when they invited Mario Vargas Llosas to give a speech at my mom's MS graduation ceremony

I didn't even find out until a few months ago. This is so cool. I didn't know my parents supported dictatorship.

good shit

Fujimori was never really a dictator, authoritarian yes, certainly during the time between the constitutional shift where he rules by decree. But it was completely necessary.

The Shining Path were everywhere, those that were captured couldn't be prosecuted properly because the judges were terrified of being killed in their sleep, inflation was at 2,700%, billions in debt, and overall the nation had a decent chance of falling to communism. Abimael Guzman was a hardcore Maoist and he had declared that he would kill 2 million people out of a population of 19 million, etc. For all his shit he somewhat saved the country from collapse. His daughter just barely lost the presidency a year ago, loss by less than a percent I think. Fujimori is a pretty polarizing figure all around.

>never really a dictator

He closed the congress and gave to himself all constitutional powers, but only for like 4 months. Yes, I know what you mean. Pretty much all peruvians wanted to him to do that, that's one of the most surprising things to first worlders. Still, he was really authoritarian. There were tanks in the congress lmao.

>those that were captured couldn't be prosecuted properly because the judges were terrified of being killed in their sleep

This was fixed by giving judges a mask. An authoritarian government wasn't necessary to do it.

>inflation was ultra high

Yeah, that's why Mario Vargas Llosa was going to do the economic shock. Fujimori said he wasn't gonna (to win the presidency), but he did it anyways, which was a good thing.

>Abimael Guzman was a hardcore Maoist and he had declared that he would kill 2 million people out of a population of 19 million

Source? Never read about that. I do know he killed so much people that no one supported him, not even actual communists who wanted to overthrow the government with violence.


Overall I don't think all those deaths made by the government were necessary. Maybe an authoritarian government, yes, but not all those deaths. Read the Comisión de la Verdad y Reconciliación. It's a huge text but there it says like 30% of the deaths were made by the Fujimori's government. That's why he is hated among half the population.

Many andean peasants fear the army as well as the terrorists.

I know that killing no one would have been impossible but killing that many was just the government taking advantage of the situation. Not to mention they actually knew where was Abimael Guzmán after he was almost defeated and they did nothing. They used this to maintain their authoritarian government.

>His daughter just barely lost the presidency

She is popular because his father was extremely populist, to the point of personally going to villages and building schools for them (which fell anyways).

Tell me about Kenji and Keiko Fujimori. Why do they run for president and congress and lead their own party in Peru?
Is it to get their daddy Alberto Fujimori out of prison? Or are they just that ambitious? Or are they in it to exploit Peru?

Caribbeans/Central Americans don't belong in Latin America either. Let's wall them from both sides and nuke the place out of existence.

Chilasco detected

2 million figure was from a page in pic related, will try to find later.This source says he said a "million would die" but I'm still sure of the 2 million one laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=346250&CategoryId=14095

Fujimori was the one who introduced the hooded judges, and I don't ever agree with death squads and Fujimori eventually did use his large anti-terrorism powers to attacks his opposition, but in the situation the country was in I think some of what he did was justified. Like how he raided the Japanese embassy when the MRTA took it hostage, that was an excellent terrorism operation, but afterwards he had the special forces execute the rebels that had surrendered, which is a crime. I also remember hearing from my relatives that the one and only hostage that happened to die in the crisis was one of Fujimori's opponents, but I'm not so sure of that.

He was a maoists so him saying something like that is believable. Also, he advocated to take revenge on villages that didn't support SP.

>but in the situation the country was in I think some of what he did was justified

Read the Comisión de la Verdad y Reconciliación. It's HUGE but you will understand a lot and realise all those deaths weren't justified. Razing entire villages, which was something the terrorists did, shitted the Peruvian Army reputation to the point that if you ask some andean peasants they will tell you they were as bad as the terrorists.

Of course some say this was an "accident" but killing that many people certainly wasn't one.

>Like how he raided the Japanese embassy

IT WAS THE GOD DAMN AMBASSADOR'S HOUSE. I don't know why everyone says it was the embassy, even peruvians.

Are your parents from Peru but you aren't peruvian?

They might be extremely biased, either they hate Fujimori and say he is Satan himself or he was a necessary evil because of the terrorists. For some reason I've heard way too many peruvian immigrants saying things like "Lima was bombed all day by the terrorists" which isn't true. Yes, it was really scary and there were curfews but it wasn't like the Middle East. Not even all the Andes were, only the rural side of certain zones.

Are you saying Lima was not bombed heavily? youtube.com/watch?v=hVvMxl5kuOE&ab_channel=peaceofmindperu

And yeh my Dad and his parents are from Peru, he hasn't been back since 1979 but might go soon, but his parents go back yearly and have kept up to date with the news since they left. There not really fans of Fujimori but they really hated the terrorist. And yeah I've heard about the Truth and Reconciliation papers the government made, it's long as fuck and I'd rather find a condensed version.

>Is said to have 65+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in the Bolivian Plateau & American educational institutions
Kek someone should slap it with this

> thread about Fujimori
> not one single mention of Vladimiro Montesinos
Seriously the jap was only his puppet. This guy was an archetypical villain. His bribe videos are surreal.

Envy.
Yep, I might put english subtitles on the interview videos on YT.

So Shiny Path was the south american version of Khmer Rouge amirite?

>Tarata
>Banco de la Nación (probably bombed by Montesinos)
>some other malls

Lima wasn't a "polvorín" like many peruvians from Lima say. Not even fucking Ayacucho was, only the rural side.

It seems that many peruvians from Lima exaggerate this to say shit like "I couldn't study because there was bombs everywhere".

>And yeah I've heard about the Truth and Reconciliation papers the government made, it's long as fuck and I'd rather find a condensed version.

Kek.

>a puppet

Ayy lmao. He was Fujimori's friend, not his master. Montesinos also did the dirty stuff. Those bribe videos are fun as hell, in fact, peruvians gave a fuck about Fujimori's government until those videos were revealed.

Kinda? Are they maoists as well?

SP also had his leader's exclusive tenets. The guy made some thesis about mathematics and Kant, which is really weird.

I want to expand about Lima. It had frequents blackouts because the SP used to sabotage the electical grid. Also, there were SP paintings in many places.

BUT if you hear stuff like "UNMSM was full of terrorists" is just stupid. I unironically think people use this as an excuse of not having studied because of this. I know plenty of people who even studied in the humanities faculty (which actually was full of terrorists) and they managed to finish their careers, albeit with several delays like strikes and government intervention.

I'm in no way downplaying terrorist activity in Lima. There were parts of Lima like Huaycan or Manchay which were "full of terrorists" or at least had SP graffiti and flags.

Fuck him for validating our retarded free for all conservative culture. Perú isnt going to change until the millenials take over and thats a stretch

Looks like an average growth rate for a latin american shithole in the 90's.
5% average 1990-2000, multiple recessions, dubious statistics, etc.

>The peruvian chinese all hate the PRC because most of them came during the Cultural Revolution or during the Civil War. The modern ones that immigrate here hate it as well. There were zero chinese peruvians in the SP.

Nice unsourced generalization

Peru is really fucking weird

Leftwing dictatorship in the 70's when everyone else was far right. "Far-right" authoritarian president who was an economic populist. "Leftwing" presidents 2001-2011 who sold the nation on the cheap for a few more dollars. Leftist president somehow in 2011-2016 after a decade of liberalization and economic growth. Then two rightist candidates in 2016, with Keiko ahead by 15%, but the true leftists swung the vote to the old neoliberal shill.

i REALLY fucking hate fujimori and i was ready to send the country to shit via Verónica Mendoza in exchange of fujimori not getting the presidency.
i legit dont think poor people should vote because we will continue getting fucked over by populists if they keep selling themselves for some gibs

The alternative is not any better

if you are referring to ppk or VM at least with them there will be social progress, Fujimoris legacy is just conservative shit and free for all culture, im not saying that isnt present with the rest of the guys but it isnt as prominent with them

The fuck are you asshurt about?
Are you Peruvian?
What's so bad about the Fujimorist party? What are they appealing to? Are they considered to be somewhat to the right? And what's so bad about Fujimori himself? He helped your country get it's shit together.

Also, what do you mean by free for all conservative culture? Elaborate.

how many peruvians are there on Veeky Forums? why are you coming out of the woodwork now

of course im peruvian m8, i live in the capital

>What's so bad about the Fujimorist party?

at the moment fujimorism represents informal Peru and the culture of corruption, the party is filled with people investigated for corruption, drug trafficking and land trafficking

>What's so bad about the Fujimorist party?

they are the conservative party of the country in the sense of social policies but populist when it comes to economic, the party works like a mafia now at least as far as i remember you pay to get into the party and run for congress because they have a shitlioad of boats thanks to the people that voted for them because of populism and you have to support the party even if they are doing retarded shit because you owe them, at the moment our current government cant do shit because the fujimorism holds a shitload of congress seats thanks to mostly poor people voting them in

>Are they considered to be somewhat to the right?

socially and economically yeah but in the terms of economics they tend to do what ever is going to get them votes

And what's so bad about Fujimori himself?

as i already said i despise populism whether it comes from the left or right but the man was corrupt as fuck, he cultivated a cult of personality that we continue to see the sequels even today, took credit for the capture of the SP leader and fucked up public transportation in the capital.
>He helped your country get it's shit together.

he did and he didnt, the economy improved because of the neoliberal policies and the monetary shock, he was running against the Fredemo which was a neoliberal party and those policies were bound to happen anyway, he campaigned against the economic shock and thats what won him the presidency and of course he did it anyway
and in the case of SP he knew the location of SP's leader but he didnt order the capture because he was going to lose the fear of the population and when they captured SP's leader he took all the credit

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Somehow they have internet and know english, even though it's a 3rd world country. I wonder how many of them lurk.

Ah, I see now. The current Fujimorist party acts as the obstructionist party, and I imagine that Keiko won't let PPK do much until he pardons the elder Fujimori. Am I right?

So it's right wing populism? So how does right wing populism work in 3rd world countries? Do they promise jobs 'n shit for everyone? Do they have a bogeyman they blame for everything? If its right wing then what kind of gibs are they promising
How do you even know English?

All in all I'm not sure how stable Peru is as a country but I don't think populism helps with stability. Outta curiosity, you think Peru is becoming better or worse?

Because this is a thread on a Peruvian president? Veeky Forums is pretty diverse desu.

Because Incas were superior to europeans.

The country's boomers are mostly the ones who support Fujimorism because they're still butthurt about a few bombs the Luminous Trail set off. And if there are a lot of eager shills anywhere it's there. Peruvians are fickle weak-willed people who would go poach an endangered animal or commit some other similar atrocity at the first encounter with a financial trouble. Also they are the continent's equivalent of Chinese people as they are known to have cat and dog dishes, low food hygiene standards, a thriving counterfeiting and piracy industry, and wouldn't you know it, a bunch of Chinese as well.

We are the heart of America. Deal with It.

You NEED to understand that nobody really cares about being left or right-wing in Peru.

Velazco wasn't leftists and not even socialist, he himself said that. He was more like Perón, nationalist and populist. Like Perón, many leftists supported Velazco to the point that most of his advisors were leftists. Funny thing is, even though Velazco is supported by leftists nowadays, he did one single thing that no one will forget (Retama massacre).

Those "far-right" weren't even far right. The only one who had an ideology would be Sánchez Cerro, and even him was just a puppet of the high class. The Unión Revolucionaria was kind of fascist anyways, so allying with the high class is something they would do.

Nobody in Peru nowadays call themselves leftists or right wing (except the actual leftist parties like those where Mendoza and Villarán come from). Why? Because leftist mean supporting terrorists and right-wing is supporting the rich and international bussiness.


Even though I voted for Verónika Mendoza (inb4 I get shitted upon) I unironically think PPK is going to fix Peru. Yes, he woud probably sell all Peru but at least we won't be in control of the shit-tier high class we have.

Not that guy but I'm also peruvian. Keiko's pary is the ultimate gibs, but only during elections. They give noodles and shit t-shirts tothe poor so they vote for them (it works). During Fujimori's government he personally went to slums to build them schools and sewage.

The leftists on the other hand, are nationalists (inb4 leftists can't be nationalists) and want to revive the civil society. There are few unions in Peru and they are always shitted in the media. Nobody respect them, not even workers. They are also against foreign investors, however they never actually go against them, which is a good thing.

of course we have internet and know english, at least in the capital it would be hard to find someone who isnt lower class that doesnt speak some english or understands it, a lot of peruvians lurk but since this is Veeky Forums they are contained to /b/, /v/, /a/, /co/, /pol/ and some buddies went to /mu/ and of course /int/

>Ah, I see now. The current Fujimorist party acts as the obstructionist party, and I imagine that Keiko won't let PPK do much until he pardons the elder Fujimori. Am I right?

not quite, Fujimori could be pardoned two years ago or more or less i cant remember, keiko didnt want it or something like that, a lot of people say that keiko actually doesnt want her father to get out because if he gets out then no more votes for her because her voter base actually votes for her father not her and she REALLY WANTS to become president

>So it's right wing populism? So how does right wing populism work in 3rd world countries?

right wing populism works saying that you are not going to give away the country to the USA and shit( that kind of speech is also used by the left wing), they are unusually conservative and a shitload of their voter base are evangelical christians so you cant make policies about social issues that go against the christian narrative because the congress shuts down everything it doesnt matter if its the logic thing to do, its ''what the people want'' and yeah its true but the people here are retarded

>Do they promise jobs 'n shit for everyone?

yea, they tend to promise to legalize shit that is going to be bad for the country, like illegal mining, illegal transportation, and etc

>Do they have a bogeyman they blame for everything?

yea, mostly leftists, the international powers that be and currently the genre ideology in part thanks to our religious leaders and opinion leaders

> If its right wing then what kind of gibs are they promising

land titles,subsidies of all kinds, etc
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>How do you even know English?

starcraft, TV, warcraft, music, movies, video games in general and marginally school

>Outta curiosity, you think Peru is becoming better or worse?

Better in an economic way but socially i dont know the millenials onwards are incresingly liberal but thanks to the genre Ideology and people like agustin laje and /pol/ a part of the middle class is becoming conservative, i believe that its because Perú is still a sexist society and feminism and gay rights want to destroy that aspect of society so they see these kind of social movements as a menace to their special place in society, i could be wrong, most of the people dont give a shit at least not in my environment

fuck the unions and i say this as someone who knows people that dealt with the unions and they are filled with corrupt fucks that only look out for themselves, the unions wont change until the rulling class gets kicked out and gets reformed

PPK is probably going to sell Peru but i dont think you could blame the rulling class (white people) anymore because they are losing power and it is becoming democratized but the mestizos are proving to be the same shit

>fuck the unions

All over the world they are corrupt but it's the only way to defend workers' rights. There are few rights for the workers since Fujimori.

>the high class din du nuffin

No. They ruin everything. I give a shit if they are white or not. The peruvian high class is a bunh of "muh sekrit monopoly club" fags. Parties like PPC, whih are free market, are just pro high class. They aren't even free market, they don't want foreign investment since it will compete with their shitty corporations. They lie a lot and pretend "fucking leftists don't want foreign investment" just to win against them. Read about how many car parts manufacturers were kicked out of Peru because of bullshit reasons.

When Ollanta encouraged brazillian investment they started to chimp out saying "it's not actual foreign investment since they are corrupt", which is really funny.

>sell Peru
Keikojudo detected

>the only way to defend worker
Not trying to BTFO you, but they put on practice nepotism like there is no tomorrow.

My father knew it, I noticed it 10 years ago.

The unique way to overcome the shit we are drowning in today, is finantial education.

How else do you expect them to carry their goals? Dictatorship of the proletariat in theory, of the bureaucrat in practice.

What's a "neoliberal" exactly? As in, what's the difference between that and a classical liberal?

in Latin America neoliberal is anyone willing to privatize all state services and companies

Read the rest of my post you absolute retard

Thats what i said, its the same shit with everyone but i hate when websites like útero and panfleto go muh working class, muh white people.
The country is fucked until the millenials get into power assuming they arent fucked as well

Its an easy solution but in the end you end up having companies like telefónica buttfucking the whole country because the state granted them monopolies

Why does she want to become President so bad?
Do you think if they pardon her father, Alberto Fujimori would try to run again? Would the people vote him in again if he did?

I'm actually Argentine
saludos

The ideal is

>privatize state owned utilities as quickly as possible
>break them up into three or four competing companies
>have state regulators prevent them from colluding to jack up prices or from getting too big

But it's Latin America, so that shit won't happen.

>nepotism

That's because there are like 4 relevant unions and are heavily politicized. Why? Because there are no other unions and they know this. SUTEP chimped out hard but now they are a joke.

>My father knew it

My father works in the state so he knows all the shit that happens in the unions. Currently they are worse than ever.

>is finantial education

Yeah, but do you really don't want any unions?
The workers really have no rights. And don't get me in the cuarta categoría shit that happens in many enterprises. In many schools they hide the teachers (lmao) so the MINEDU doesn't notice they actually have shitloads of teachers who they pay shit money and have no rights whatsoever.

>Utero and Panfleto ever going muh white people

Panfleto makes jokes so don't take it seriously. They did went too far by criticizing Avenida Larco because of le white people.

Útero so far hasn't say a single shit about it except for one article. Also, literally nothing wrong with going muh working class. They form like 80% of the country and have shit education. That's why they vote for Keiko and support whoever gives them food and shirts.

>muh white people

Most whites in Peru aren't even high class, the ex-yugoslavians (mostly racists) are middle class and thriving in the show business. The high class ones are currently getting MESTIZOD so.

She wants to free her dad and rob money. Fujimori's government was one of the most kleptocratic governments in the world.

They need to sell state owned companies to actual good foreign companies, not shit ones like fucking Telefonica (which was state owned back then kek). The problem is, the peruvian high class are a bunch of argolleros so they don't want foreign competition to meddle with their shit enterprises. That's why if PPK gives the finger to the high class, this country will get a little bit better.

>inb4 pituco limeño regresa a europa

I wish we had a Fujimori in Brazil to deal with crime the hard way.

We can't trust our institutions because the legislative and the judiciary are corrupt as fuck and are either ideologically compromised (too influenced by Foucauldian doctrines to punish criminals) or are bought. Fujimori faced similar problems in Peru, he solved by closing the congress, intervening in the judiciary and actively fighting the terrorists. Do anyone think Mario Vargas Llosa would be able to do the same? Or any leftist? Without Fujimori, the Sendero Luminoso would have absolutely taken over Peru.

Was SD a legit threat in any way to the existence of Peru? Or was it more of an terrible annoyance? How much sway did they have in the Peruvian political system? Could they have caused a civil war or was most of the population against them?
How big of a threat are they today? Do they still exist and make parts of Peru unsafe?

*SL, not SD