CHART THREAD

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are there any 'starter kits' in a similar vein to Veeky Forums's?

i dont think so. OP is the closest afaik what topics would such a list have? maybe i'll try my hand at one.

also continuing dump where the other user left off

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new pasta on the pacific islands. gonna post one on the maories very shortly

maori chart completed!

gonna work on an albania chart next because its an easy topic to cover and because the meme value

/r/ing the suffering chart

can we expand OP's list? I've read some of the books and they are great overviews of the periods or topics they cover. Preferrably if we can add contemporary (meaning in the last 15 years) books that allow people unfamiliar with certain topics to start somewhere.

Bibliographies are good and all but they are very overwhelming for people who are interested in getting into a new topic only to get bombarded by tons of books.

i think thats a good idea. OP's pic has good entry level books. you should post books you think appropriate here and maybe the guy who made the pic will happen upon this thread and make it bigger.

>Preferrably if we can add contemporary (meaning in the last 15 years) books that allow people unfamiliar with certain topics to start somewhere.
In something like history newer =/= better or clearer or accessible. oftentimes the older general works are the better ones, and these works are updated to account for new advances. I suppose anons on this board might not recognize that, but I don't see the value of adding books based on the false assumption that newer is better.

>Bibliographies are good and all
I suppose you're referring to my bibs that make up most of the thread
>but they are very overwhelming for people who are interested in getting into a new topic
possibly, but I find that unrealistic at the moment. i haven't read into most of these topics, so for me to arbitrarily cut down books to make these lists "more approachable" is to delegate to myself an authority i don't possess. moreoever, all the lists here have clearly demarcated introductory sections with general surveys which newcomers to a topic can look into. it's not rocket science. even if i list more than 2 general works on a subject if someone were really so interested in learning a subject reading a few descriptions and weighing the merits of different introductory works is a very small price to pay. I don't understand how you can say that's "bombarbing" people here. people are not idiots. if they have any sense they'll start by reading introductory works suggested and if they want to dig deeper, then they can look at the other topics on these charts.

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Any of these for the Soviet Union?

not yet this is the stuff i've compiled for an upcoming chart though
pastebin.com/qUR5aaSw

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Were these all made by the same guy? If so good shit

I own Fall of the Ottomans and Napoleon a life, thinking about getting The Great War in Africa.

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yes i made all these. glad you like them. tell me if you have any topic you want to see made into a chart and ill get to it eventually

Anyone know a good book over the Vietnam War?

I know almost nothing about it outside of pop culture.

If anyone could help,
Couple of weeks ago I found a chart with Veeky Forums starting the Greeks and a second one the Romans. Started with the Greeks and read some new books. Phone got nuked and lost all. Iirc it had a blue background and different colour lines. The Greek one started with the library of Greek mythology and had a lot of penguin classic books in it.

Seeing as you have one on the Seleucids, could you possibly make some on the other Diadochi & post-Alexander Hellenistic kingdoms (Ptolemaic, Lysimachus, Antipatrids, Greco-Bactrians, etc.)?

One for the Cold War in sub sections (Cold in Middle East, Cold war in East Asia etc) would be pretty neat, and a chart for the history of Latin America would also be amazing.

I assume these are the ones you're talking about.

oh and one for learning about the Interwar period between WW1 and WW2 would also be good to have. You're gonna keep us reading for years to come. Have you read all of the books you put down?

And here's the one on Rome.

Thanks a lot!
In case it hasn't been posted yet, a mega with some books.
mega.nz/#F!dlZlDbqL!TXG5bGvWufONkrQAL7b7jA

>hating on Gibbon
>recommends the Histories
I don't get it. Just because some idiots think that Gibbon is the definite source for Roman history doesn't disqualify his monumental contributions to the study of Roman history and history in general. Even if he was wrong on some things.

definitely was thinking of that. yesterday i gathered all the books for a ptolemaic chart, but its going to take longer to make cause theres a lot more material on it than the seleucids, because egypt's climate has helped to preserve a shit ton more papyrus records. i'll get to the macedonians eventually too. the seleucid chart has stuff on the bactrians. theres not much literature on them so i thought it was more convenient to lump it with the seleucids, as their fortunes were also tied together historically.

yeah cold war is a must. and interwar europe would be good but it'd be hard to tackle.

>Have you read all of the books you put down?
barely any of them desu.

Anything about East Asia history? Korea or Japan? thanks for all these charts!

i'm gonna make a japanese one really soon because that is a popular topic

A good starter for Japan is The Japanese Experience for W.G. Beasley. I'm not super well-versed in more niche sources so I can't really help you beyond that, but maybe checking the bibliography of the book will help.

I know of several. The thing about the Vietnam War is that you won't even begin to understand it by reading one book. To make matters worse, there are multiple historiographical schools regarding the conflict and they all have their very different views of it so often you won't understand it fully even after reading several. Regardless, a few good starters are America's Longest War, The Pentagon Papers Abridged, and The War That Never Ends. Those cover the most common historiography (liberal realist school), but they miss a lot of the bigger picture. If you want Military Revisionist school, you're going to want to delve into various military college dissertations and journal articles on the conflict from dtic.mil to really get a grasp of it. Rolling Thunder 65: Anatomy of a Failure by Col. Dennis Drew should be mandatory in order to understand the hurdles the military faced in Vietnam and Washington. Marxist historiography on the conflict is, in my opinion, complete and utter garbage that spends too much time grasping at straws to be of any value, but if you really want to go down that road A People's History of the Vietnam War is a good starting point.

Works on Japan?

what period

Not the poster, but I would like a book about the trade with Europe in the edo period, Nagasaki.

this has stuff on the very early edo period

You got any on the French Revolution?

If you've posted it already, my apologies, I may have missed it

pastebin.com/S4nTP40Z
this has more, despite the title, there are also books dealing with the european encounter more generally, but all the books seem to cover up to 1650 and no further

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Anyone has a good collection of writings on inquisition?

I am not primarily looking for history books, but treatises, manuals, or just letters between inquisitors. It seems to me that short of learning Latin I won't be able to read many of the more significant ones, such as Gui's Pratica officii inquisitionis heretice pravitatis or Eymeric's Directorium inquisitorum, which is a bummer.

But I'm no historian, so maybe some of you know more about what has and hasn't been translated. I already know that unfortunately my own country's scholars haven't translated shit to my native language, but some English or alternatively German translations would be appreciated.

w-wats in there?

if you can read spanish just check in here
pastebin.com/NmGGTuZp
there's also some english translations in the anthologies section it looks like

not yet. i saw a few people asking for one these last months and so the last few days i've collected books on it but i'm not nearly finished yet. its a very big topic. i suppose i can just make a short list with introductory works if you want

>i suppose i can just make a short list with introductory works if you want
if you could that'd be great mate

Thanks, user. Spanish is sadly a no go, but I'll go through that list and see what I can get from it.

It never fails to surprise me how many prominent works remain untranslated to this day.

An overview of Japan before Edo.

why are so many his autists obsessed with german colonization of all colonial empires?

Imperial famarino

There's only one on this board that I know of and it's the guy that made the list for the chart and that guy happens to be me. I personally enjoy it because there isn't a whole lot of secondary literature on it unlike other colonial empires and the sheer amount of differentiation between colonial holdings makes it interesting.

see link
hist.cam.ac.uk/undergraduate/tripos-papers/part-ii-papers-2016-2017/part-ii-specified-reading-lists-2016-17/j6-syllabus-2015-2016-final.pdf

it's a cool topic. it was done by a major european power that near dominated the colony but was very late to the colonization game. this is also why other start up empires like japan (or america even) are interesting because their methods of colonization and administration are sort of like the state of the art of that times in terms of intellectual and administrative ideas. it also reveals the tensions in the home society and especially in as ebullient a power as germany with a dynamic economy and but a deeply divided society and politics the german colonial project offers another lense through which to look at it.

dominateed the continent*

Any recs on where to start with Chinese history?

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what period

I recently read "an exorcist tells his story" and its literally full of shit.
>page 51: "One of the most famous instances of diabolical possession, which many books report [which books, where, cite?] thanks to the accuracy of the historical documentation [where, who, cite?], concerns two brothers, the Burners, in Illfur Alsatia. The two brothers were freed in 1869 following a series of exorcisms. It is reported [cite?] that among the many, extremely vicious [explanation?] actions of the demon was a plan to overturn the coach that transported the exorcist, a monsignor, and a nun. The devil was foiled in his intent only because the coach driver, at the last minute, was given a medal of Saint Benedict to protect him on the journey, and the good man devoutly put it in his pocket."
I bet nobody in this thread can find a single document referencing this story

Short: Outline of History, HG Wells
Long: Story of Civilization, Durant

Having read the first, and parts of the second, I'd say that the prose of the first is superior (HG Wells is a world class author after all), but biased towards socialism, and the latter is way more indepth.

Any good books on the Enlightenment?

peter gay is a good place to start

Any news on that French Revolution introductory list?

these pastebin dumps are far too big to be useful desu. A list of 50 books per topic without being told which one to start with is beyond useless

Thoughts on autobiographies?

For multi-volume works you can't go wrong with The cambridge histories of china

>Bible
>History

If you honestly did, fucking great job. Have you read all of these books? I really like your Etruscan and Carthage lists.

Do you have any plans for the following:
>Celts (Broad topic, but personally looking at periods like the Halstatt and La tene)
>Anglo-saxons
>Venice (I guess it would mimic the Genoa list)
>Norse
>Minoans and Mycenaeans

I plan on making a lists for naval warfare, commerce/trade and possibly thalassocrocies of antiquity since that's more my knowledge area. Pretty much like that Genoa list.

Thanks a lot.
t. Spanish speaking user

Cant work on it today but its the first thing on my to do list

Ty senpai. Ive read barely any i rearrange the books from ny pastebin archive of annotated bibliographies. Those are very nice chart topics and id love to male those eventually

Is there a wiki or some other page where these are all organized? Phone poster and not sure when I'll get a chance to save everything on my desktop.

I havent done that yet but these threads pop up often and i or someone else always reposts these.

>Is there a wiki or some other page where these are all organized
No, and there probably never will be a Veeky Forums wiki. We have this discussion every thread.

Sorry, haven't been here long and didn't realize it was frequently brought up.

I didn't mean it to sound hostile. It's just not a practical solution for this board and Wikipedia already exists for the bigger stuff which is what most people seek. I should mention that there IS a Veeky Forums wiki floating around, but it's full of shitty memes and nothing of value which is absolutely what I expected it to be.

Nah man, you're fine, I should've lurked more instead of expecting to be spoonfed.

It's what these threads are for. Ask for topics, we provide to the best of our ability.

In that case, anything good on pre-1600 Japan? I'm making my way through Jansen's Making of Modern Japan and have read Musui's Story and a short biography on Saigo Takamori, but have nothing from before 1600.

War in Japan 1467–1615 by Stephen Turnbull is pretty good. I read it some time ago.

Absolutley BASED guide.