Yi Sun-Sin

I was really hoping the 2014 movie about him would be at least decent...it ended up being complete shit.

He ended battles with more ships than he started them, attacking fleets larger and similarly equipped to his own, on no less than three occasions, Trafalgar, Cape St Vincent, and the Nile.

By boarding and capturing, essentially negating the advantage that the Korean ships had. Go on, show me a SINGLE instance of a Korean ship sunk in the 1592-98 war by the Japanese at a distance, with shot or even with ramming, something that isn't turning the naval battle into a land battle.

>sometimes one side would use its advantage better than the other side could use its advantage, winning the battle decisively
really got me thinking there ol' fren

>really got me thinking there ol' fren
Clearly not, because your post betrays a lack of any thought whatsoever.

>Initial claim
Japanese ships were terrible
>Counter-argument
But they won this battle crushingly!
>Rebuttal of counter-argument
By turning the sea battle into a boarding action, negating the worthlessness of their ships in large part.

None of this makes Sun-Shin a good admiral. It makes him not an idiot like Won Gyun, but that doesn't seem all that high of a bar to leap. It certainly doesn't make Japanese ships "Not all that bad really"

Why didn't Hideyoshi chose Shimazu Yoshihiro as the overall commander of the invasion? Wasn't he the biggest name among the generals there and the one with the biggest accomplishments?

We need security

No because the Feudal Japanese are ABSOLUTE. SHIT. in Naval Combat since forever.
>1100s-1300s
LET US PUT PLANKS ON SHIPS SO WE CAN LIKE FIGHT LAND BATTLES ON SEA DESU!
>1400
MAKE WARBOATS TALL LIKE WHAT THEY DO IN CHINA SO WE HAVE ADVANTAGE VERSUS BOARDERS. WHAT THEY TALL SHIPP TOO? BUILD TALLER XDDD DESU.
>1500
I KNOW THEY HAVE CANNON BUT ROW OUR BIG ASS BLOCKY TOWER-WARSHIP CLOSER I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY KATAN- (loses head to a cannonball)

>had the largest and most advanced navy in the world at his disposal
>still lost battles
nelson was overrated
yi sun shin > horatio nelson

The planks thing is literally how Rome began dominating the carthaginians at sea so it's not THAT dumb

*teleports behind you*

Yes.
Myeongnang is a much more impressive victory than Trafalgar.

>It's like saying that a guy who mows down a bunch of rioters (while a group sneaks around behind his position and starts a bunch of fires) is a badass operator.
By that logic, Alexander isn't a great commander either. He had elite soldiers with him whereas Persians had levies.

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>Well, except for all those battles he found himself outnumbered in because the Royal Navy, while tough, was not in fact equal to half of Europe.
>Only loses amphibious invasions, not actual naval battles he's in command of.

>By that logic, Alexander isn't a great commander either. He had elite soldiers with him whereas Persians had levies.
Most of Alexander's victories against the Persians are far less than impressive. Tyre is the only real moment of brilliance in that campaign. He proved his chops against tougher opponents though, like the Greeks or Porus. But seriously, Xenophon did about as much with a quarter of the troops who were far less professional, trained, or equipped. Alexander's victory over Persia was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

It was pretty retarded, resting as it does on factual errors to support its conclusion.

The French Navy while powerful was always second to the British Navy. Usually outnumbered, outgunned, with less experience, manpower, heritage, and understanding of sea and naval warfare compared to their British counterparts.

>Usually outnumbered, outgunned, with less experience, manpower, heritage, and understanding of sea and naval warfare compared to their British counterparts.
With the exception of "understanding the sea" if you count literal seaworthiness degrees of their vessels, this is bullshit. Seriously, look at battles going back from the Napoleonic period back down the Age of Sail, and you do NOT see the British usually outnumbering them, and the French ships were almost always more heavily gunned (leading to their lesser seaworthiness). And they had plenty of experience, manpower, and "understanding of naval warfare".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_line_of_France#First_Rates_.28.22vaisseaux_de_Premier_Rang.22.29_of_the_Louis_XV_era

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_line_of_the_Royal_Navy#List_of_ships-of-the-line_of_the_Royal_Navy_.281785.E2.80.931830.29

>battle of santa cruz which he was the commander of the british navy
>"not actual naval battles he's in command of"
he was literally commander of that invasion and the british outnumbered spain far more both in troops and armament and he still somehow lost the battle and an arm. he was also one of those in charge of the san juan expedition which again was an utter failure even though his forces outnumbered the other forces. he lost the battle of grand turk which was basically nothing but british forces didn't manage to even wound a single foe. he loses again in his invasion on cadiz. basically, he hasn't won a single significant battle other than trafalgar which isn't even all that impressive of a victory considering the fact that the british navy had already established itself at that point. what did nelson do other than sink some frenchies in an open strait or kill some island poos

>Reading comprehension
>You.
Were your mother and father brother and sister? Are you trying to showcase how your education system utterly failed you? Is your head so firmly up your own ass that you can't see what you're typing? All three of the battles you listed were amphibious operations, not naval battles. I guess Sun-Shin is also shit, after all, he didn't stop the invasion of Korea, which was the point of his whole fleet to begin with!

>he hasn't won a single significant battle other than trafalgar
Retard. What about the Nile? What about Copenhagen? What about Genoa? Hyerez? Cape St Vincent? What did Yi Sun-Shin ever do but sink unarmed fishing boats loaded with troops?

>hurrr amphibious invasions launched by horatio himself don't count as him being in command of those invasions because 'reasons' durrrr
Were your mother and father brother and sister? Are you trying to showcase how your education system utterly failed you? Is your head so firmly up your own ass that you can't see what you're typing? you claim he wasn't in command of those invasions but he was. he launched those invasions because he was under the impression that he'd be able to successfully invade. he basically lost half of all his battles. how is that impressive you faggot. and then there's the fact that he was only deputy commander in most of the battles that he 'won'. yi sun shin didn't even lose a single battle and every battle accredited to him were ones that he actually commandeered.

>battle of copenhagen
that was admiral hyde parker. horatio was only a vice admiral
>genoa
that was admiral william hotham
>hyerez
hotham
john jervis

>The raid on Boulogne in 1801 was a failed attempt by elements of the Royal Navy led by Vice Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson to destroy a flotilla of French vessels anchored in the port of Boulogne, a fleet which was thought to be used for the invasion of England, during the French Revolutionary Wars. At dawn on 4 August, Nelson ordered five bomb vessels to move forward and open fire against the French line. Despite the inferior gunpowder of French artillery and the high number of shots fired by the bomb vessels, the British sustained more casualties and withdrew. The night of 16 August Nelson returned and tried to bring off the flotilla, attacking with seventy boats and nearly two thousand men organized into four divisions, but the attack was successfully repelled by the defenders, led by Admiral Latouche Tréville.
top kek. face it, nelson was an overrated hack

No they were garbage and that battle turned out that way due to the incompetence of the Korean admiral.

Japanese ships were terrible for combat and the Japanese themselves were poor sailors. In fact the Ming didn't think much of their naval abilities and thought that the Siamese were better sailors.

>What did Yi Sun-Shin ever do but sink unarmed fishing boats loaded with troops?

I mean, the minamoto clan ships weren't too bad except for the square looking sails...
Taira clan however are Muh fishing boats teir.

No you fuck: they lashed ships together with planks so Samurai could shoot their bows and have space to run around in.

Japan is just partly to blame for their warship designs: much of it was based on Chinese warships which- like Sengoku Ships- were also tall fighting ships to aid boarding based naval combat.

Problem was: nobody seem to tell Japan that these were riverine/coastal warships. Not seafaring ones.

you seriously think they didn't know that. get real. it's not like they traveled across the pacific in them

Pro-tip: They didn't.