Roman armor

Oops, I meant AD.
Thats my bad.

>byzantine
>roman

All good man, just needed to make sure. I don't personally know much past Caeser to didn't want to provide useless info

Thanks for the comment anyways!
I specifically remember thinking too, that I should probably specify AD or BC, and somehow still managed to fuck that up.
You dont belong here.

>bc
leave

Justinian was the last true *Roman* Emperor of the Byzantines. If you want to shitpost and claim the Eastern Roman Empire wasn't Roman/Latin, at least discriminate your view so that it comes after Justinian since he as the last native Latin-speaking and likely ethnic Roman Emperor of Eastern Roman Empire.

This is why Veeky Forums is unironically one of the best boards. A researcher comes in asking for resources for his studies and anons respecfully dump some sources while turning the thread into a small conversation. It might be hand-holding but it's still nice to see.

Alan Williams published a few papers on the metallurgy of Roman armor.

tl;dr they used shit quality metal for most of their armor.

They used what they had available at the time, and ferro metallurgy was still in its infancy then, at least in Europe.

But yes, Alan Williams is a great point to start on Roman armor.

Veeky Forums genuinely is one of the more civilised boards.
apart from fucking turkposters
they can fuck off

The curious thing is that their swords were quite good. Especially later pattern welded stuff.

P.S. try Armour of Imperial Rome by H. Russell Robinson.

A positive Celtic influence from Iberia and Norricum? Also, in my understanding those late blades where of the pilled construction and not pattern welded.

By the 4th century the Romans (which could indeed be Celtic smiths) produced pattern welded blades with pilled steel edges.

The pattern welded swords from Nydam Mose were almost definitely Roman in manufacture and quite high quality at that.

>By the 4th century the Romans (which could indeed be Celtic smiths) produced pattern welded blades with pilled steel edges.
This is up to debate, got other examples?

>The pattern welded swords from Nydam Mose were almost definitely Roman in manufacture and quite high quality at that.
Thisis highly questionable, first Nydam was a sacrifice spot, so blades piled up there for 300 years. Also, some balde have romanized inscriptions, which was fashionable at the time, the roman origin is not proven at all.

One some of them the Roman inscription is literally a brand or mark from the factory in which they were produced. besides that the inscription is one the tang so it's not like anyone is going to see it once you put a hilt on it.

source, please.
I was under the impression that most pattern welded swords at the time where made along the Rhine valley and in what is today southern Germany and then ended up on both sides of the limes as a valluable commodity.
Given, at the time that is the Roman empire, yet the craftsman still are distinctively Celtic and so is their product.

>Roman in manufacture
Made in the Celtic parts of the Roman Empire? Yes, most likely. Made by Romans, no, not very likely.
Earliest examples of pattern welding show up in the Celtic Latène culture, 250 BC.

So I still hold my point that the advances of ferro metallurgy in the Roman Empire largely where due to the conquest of the Celtic provinces and their influence.

I never disputed that but if 4th century Celts made it then it was of roman manufacture.

The work by Behmer (1939) is usually cited in modern works. I haven't personally read his work.

It's worth checking out this sort paper which cites quite a lot of other works, it deals with Roman military equipment in sacrificial bogs:

academia.edu/1812965/Die_kaiserzeitlichen_Heeresausrüstungsopfer_Südskandinaviens-_Überlegungen_zu_Schlüsselfunden_2012

>in-depth specialist discussion
>people providing sources to back up claims
This isn't the Veeky Forums I know

Yeah amazing how Veeky Forums is when /leftypol/ and /pol/ arent awake to shill their retarded ideologies.

Shh don't wake the beast. It's weird though I've never even hear of /leftpol/ until fags from /pol/ accused people of being from there and I'm get the suspicion that they are a made up identity that /pol/ uses as a strawman

>turkposters

Sorry that we want to talk about something else than nazis and byzantines.

Its okay that youve never been to other vietnamese canoe carving forums.

>The work by Behmer (1939) is usually cited in modern works. I haven't personally read his work.
It is a bit unfair to cite Elis Behmer, that book costs a fucking fortune! Have you a pic or drawing on the sword and inscription or know the place of origin?

I did some more digging on the subject.

>A large part of our information on swords of this period comes from finds in Scandinavian peat bogs, many of
which were first used around the start of the third century, such as those at Thorsberg, Vimose, Illerup-A and Nydam.
This last site, in East Jutland, has yielded at least at least a hundred swords of this period, all imports from the Roman
world, and these discoveries have enabled an individual type to be identified, the Straubing-Nydam, which is
characteristic of the third century. Usually between 71 and 85 cm long overall, these swords have a blade which tapers
slightly towards the point, unlike earlier types.
Some of these Straubing-Nydarn spathae carry a maker’s mark, a practice which had become more widely spread
since the beginning of the Principate and which increased in subsequent years. Often in the form of an inlay, marks were
placed at the upper end of the blade, positioned such that they could be read by the user. Some marks give the maker’s
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name in the nominative case — Cocillus, Aciro m(anu), Marci. m(anu), Natalis m(anu), ALF. . ., etc. —whilst other
manufacturers limited themselves to symbols, one being a small rose of which there are several variants ; a last group,
proving the Roman origin of these weapons, draws on Greco-Roman traditions and shows Mars, Minerva, Victory and
an eagle and crown, for instance, often in pairs, and one sword from Pontoux (Saône-et-Loire departement) appears to
be stamped with a lion or other large feline, a type without a known parallel so far.

Can't tell if it is peer reviewed though.

*These do not concern pattern welded blades; forgot to add that