Is Baathism basically Arab national socialism?
>against liberal capitalism, against Marxist (international) socialism, against reaction
>state socialist policies
>one party state/dictatorship
>ethnic nationalism with desire to unite all Arabs in one country
>hates jews and Israel
no because Baathism was socially, ethnically and religiously (as long as you weren't a fundie) tolerant.
Yep, never got used to gas a minority or anything like that..
>(You)
literally everyone gasses k*rds here because k*rds are not humans
>not gassing the k*rds
>(You)
>against Marxist (international) socialism
Really? They never alligned with Soviets?
Basically yes, but Ba'athism was never anti-Marxist. Historically, Ba'athism emerged out of the communist left to battle the monarchical right, and every single Ba'athist government (including Saddam's Iraq!) was profoundly connected to the cause of proletarian internationalism. Anti-imperialism, which is intrinsically international, is at the heart of Ba'athist movements.
Today, every Ba'athist party exists in alliance or coalition with Marxist organizations.
They did. So did Hitler though, so what's your point?
>international nationalism
It's like you're literally retarded.
Soviets themselves were national socialist
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>What is a global coalition of nationalist?
Marxist theory is anti-nationalist and claims that nations and races exist only as constructs created by the bourgeoise. You cannot be Marxist and nationalist at the same time, it's literally doublethink.
Arab nationalism always existed in resistance to Western imperialism. Generally speaking, third world nationalist movements look abroad for allies.
Sure, but Ba'athism is heavily influenced by Marxism in its class analysis and use of Leninist foreign policy.
A hell of a lot of Marxists have historically called themselves nationalists. This is a result of the Leninist focus on national liberation and ethnic self-determination.
Yes, but Lenin and ESPECIALLY Stalin were probably more nationalist than they were communist. Trotsky was the real true blue Marxist there and he got fucked.
What makes Lenin of all people nationalist? Wasn't his party the only one across the entirety of Russian political spectrum that advocated national self-determination and the end to the Imperialist War in 1917? Weren't Russian bolsheviks pretty much the only kind of European socialists who opposed the war in 1914?
>it was all ploy to swindle poor Ukrainians out of their statehood (that they never had)
The world does not revolve around the Ukraine
Because national self-determination is nationalist rhetoric, not communist.
Ba'athism is Nazbol
>Nazbol
>even using this word
Back to your containment board
Don't tell that to Iraq's Shi'ite minority.
Iraq's communist party never had any real steam in the Cold War, but it was just enough for the US to be pushed to take action.
>implying I'm /leftypol/
>Don't tell that to Iraq's Shi'ite minority.
this is how I can tell you are a dumb shit.
Iraq is Shi'ite MAJORITY. Saddam was a sunni. Assads are a Shi'ite subgroup.
Kurds and other minority groups got gassed because they rose up against Saddam. Not for their ethnic or religious affiliations.
Saying Alawites are Shia is like saying Mormonism is Protestantism. They only share their roots with them but they're something completely different altogether.
Lenin was not a nationalist I don't see where you're getting that from. Trotsky believed in a permanent international revolution vs Stalin's "socialism in one country" policy which indeed pretty much ended his credibility as a serious Marxist.
Yes. This isn't even disputed AFAIK, the Ba'athists themselves drew this analogy.
Why do kids from /leftypol/ keep denying it in this thread then?
No one except Iraqi Sunnis, ISIS, and Turks have.
>the only people who gas Kurds are the people who live around Kurds
Well, shocking, here I was thinking the Siberian natives were the ones to gas them.
Baathism was Arab Peronism, which was Argentine fascism.
Nazi Germany went to the Arabs in the 30s and taught them about fascism/national socialism. they also taught the arabs about modern insurgency/terrorism.
What does /leftypol/ have to gain from controlling a board?
Yeah it's pretty close
So they can turn children gay or kill all white people or something, I don't know
Iraqi Shias fully deserved it, most of them were fundemtalist Khomeinist scumbags. Repression of Shias helped Iraq to remain a secular country until the Baathist government was overthrown and replaced with Shia Islamist one by the US.
When will you faggots realize literally NO ONE gave a shit about international communism other than the Ussr and china and that was just a way of them building a world empire anyway?
Pretty sure some national liberation movements in European colonies and Latin Americans (that makes most of the world) gave plenty. They didn't always came to power, and when they did, they drifted away from the USSR/PRC orbits at will, but you can't say it wasn't an influential ideology.
And that's, kids, the reason why Hitler's regime should be called "Nazism".
Be careful of (((them)))
is it just me or is assad an absolute qtpie?
All communist countries were nationalist motivated post colonial countries who just wanted to run their country under a socialist banner instead of being sweatshop slaves. The moment the international rhetoric came up, they all trashed that shit. Zimbabwe even made it a point that it was a BLACK country
Other Iranians don't gas or exterminate them despite Kurds chimping out all the time. Same with Assyrians and Armenians.
I spend most of my time on leftypol and I don't really give a shit about what you guys believe. I just make an effort to correct false attitudes about communism when I see them.
Some leftypol types think if they can turn enough Veeky Forums posters into socialists they can actually make some impact on real life economic attitudes, but I don't think discourse on this board really means anything. Veeky Forums is nothing compared to larger, leftier sites like Twitter and Facebook. It just has better memes.