Be woman

>implying the West is worth saving

It's given me more than fundamental Christians or Muslims ever have, so yes.

>you now have 30-40hrs /week free time to devote to leisure and self improvement
>leisure and self improvement

Nice words, I wonder what they mean. Watching stupid shows on TV? Playing vidya? Checking out Facebook? Drinking? Fucking your neighbor?

Grow up. Not everyone can live happily home alone.

>Grow up. Not everyone can live happily home alone.
I'd happily be a stay at home dad desu

Have you ever done light house work? Realistically you only need to do 2 hours of work a day and that's if you want to everything to be completely spic and span 24/7.

We won't change magically just by switching ideologies, that's a pipe dream. Unfortunately.

Oh great it's another /pol/tards assume women as a group never had to work in the history of human civilization just because aristocratic women didn't episode.
Don't you guys get tired and self conscious about having your stupidity in few view for everyone to laugh at constantly? I would. To be honest, I would never open my mouth or write again if such happened to me so often. Then again, it is empty vessels that tend to make the most noise.

It also has given us heaps of people like you so there's really not much worth saving.

r u a grl

post feet

Wow, It's like they lack any type of reading comprehension ability doesn't it?
You =/=everyone you idiot.

What's wrong with me, lad? I personally find myself worth saving.

Why would you assume that?
Because I said you guys? Are you stupid?
Btw forgot pic

The point is being a stay home domestic partner isn't too bad at all but everyone got memed on that it is. Most women seem to like working when they're not married/have children but fight tooth and nail for days off/opportunity to work from home when they do get knocked up what does that tell you?

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>All serfs were men
>All women in the history were rich with rich husbands.
>All men took care of there wives and children well and dead beat dad's never existed before feminism came along.
What a fascinating imagination you have. It's too bad you can't actually be arsed to read and learn things before you talk about shit.
This has to be one of the most poorly thought out thread I have ever seen.

>for most of history, women had to work to supplement income, and raise the children and run the house.
>economy in the West finally improves to the point that most women don't have to work. Just stay home and raise the children.
>2nd wave feminism demand women be in the workforce same as men.
>income all over the western world stagnates as the labor pool doubles.
>now women have to work again. to keep the family's finances in the black(if you're lucky).
>women bitching to politicians about child care costs, income inequality, etc. demanding socialism and welfare state.
>family unit failing. kids are not being raised properly by their parents. instead children are raised by the state through public schools.

women screwed everything up.

Prices rose because of desegregation (only legal way to keep out the darkies was to live in a neighborhood too expensive for them to move in) and an insane fixation on education (competition to get into "good schools").

Read the Two Income Trap.

prices started rising faster than inflation back in the 70s. when the Boomers had fully entered the workforce.

a lot of government intervention in the market is to blame.

>Increased participation in the workforce was very much driven by a growing need to rely on two incomes as prices rose as well as expectations of what a middle class lifestyle should be.
Bullshit. Prices rose because of increased participation not the reverse. I mean do you seriously think there was a conspiracy and every consumer god company colluded to raise prices?

More women working led to more goods purchased led to higher prices to allow production to keep up with demand. This is entirely on women and their idiot desire to be like men.

Ah yes a practice that they put a stop to because it fucked with traditional gender roles by implementing an equal pay act (at least in NYC iirc).

Someone find a graph of female workforce participation rate over time.

>finally able to stop working thanks to progress
>gets conned into going back to work because feminism
You're not exactly helping your case.

>what is stagflation
Like seriously, do you seriously think women decided to enter the workforce during an economic recession for no reason?

Alright, I'll bite but I better not regret this.

Just because a women loves her children and wants to be a good mother doesn't mean she can't love her career too. It doesn't mean you can't have other passions with a career being one of them. That was a huge assumptions(possibly on purpose but I won't speculate and we will assume benevolent sexism for the most part) made by paternalism; that all women self actualize only by being mothers. Of course some do but all? Really? They have no way of proving it either. Who doesn't want to be the best parent they can be anyway regardless of gender?
Besides some women have no choice and it is the only way they can support their family.
It's the reasons women tend to go into careers more if they find it personally satisfying than how much money it makes unlike men. Though I'm sure men would like to do that too except they have societal pressures to be a bread winner sue to kariarchy in paternalism. And yes women who go into careers they don't have a passion for tend to be miserable just like men. That's why I find it a bit silly for feminists to bitch about not enough women in sciences or even worse the pay gap, knowing this. It's like they want to force shit which isn't right and not what feminism is about imo.

>women loves her children
That's something that never happened.

Carter and Vlocker ended Stagflation during Reagan's first term.

Boomer wives didn't work. It wasn't until X that they started working as the rule and not the exception.

That was not the only time period. I could post a picture if serfs too. I can also post pics of prostitutes, peasant or plebian women working with the husbands in the husbands' shops and sometimes their own with no husband. What other examples do you want?
Shit happens not all men are reliable husbands, some die, some are deadbeat, some just leave. Some ugly women have a hard time getting married.
This has all been constant throughout time not just recently.
Also seeWomen can also have other passions concurrently with being a good mother or even instead of it in few cases. Not all people want kids anyway.
Stop being so narrow minded about the whole thing.
Dammit I knew I would regret it. Fell for bait again.

>loving your kids so much you abandon them in daycare to play working girl

>everything I don't agree with should be labeled 'bait'
>because it's impossible someone should believe things outside of my indoctrination bubble, he MUSt be fishing for replies and trolling!
This is the logic of a total retard honestly. I remember someone in the first few months of Veeky Forums kept just dumping his bait picture folder every time a thread criticizing women popped up, was that you?

You spit out one phrase(an accusation to be specific)without offering evidence yet you want me to call your post anything but bait? You do know that is usually how most shit posters and trolls work on this site right? Are you sure you're not new? Go back to r/ mra faggot.

You made an assertion, so the burden of proof is on you that women are capable of love. For all it's worth they're using their children just to extract more resources from the men/government, as evidenced by the insane abortion rates when the circumstances don't happen to be in their favor. If women naturally love their children, why do they literally kill them by the millions? You fucking moron.

I know many women that have those types of jobs as well, and they're all loaded with nice cars and constantly taking vacation pics on Instagram.

I honestly have no idea what they do all day at work.

Nothing. Further proof we live in cunt slavery.

TV is evil

>Men loving their children so much that they leave them 8-12 hours a day 7 days a week, (men are more likely to do overtime btw) and hardly see them.
You see how it can go both ways? But yes, it only women who are judged for such behavior because of stereotypes and genderoles.

If I recall, it is feminists trying to fight or more flexible work hours for FAMILIES! Men and women.
Fetuses are not babies and STFU! Because men as a group have never given a shit about abortion or children since aniquity. If it was convenient they would allow it. They supported exposing children even more than women (especially girls). It's actually very hard for most women(provided she is not a psycho or is without mental problems) to give up their babies for adoption let alone kill it or see them be hurt once they give birth.
Of course you would never know that because you don't know women and you have no friends. You barely leave your house.

Your opinions about all women based on some horrible stories you hear. Yet you don't know all women and you haven't even talk to one since school, besides your mom maybe but who even knows that's probably why you hate women so much. If your mom abuse you because she was mental it was a cunt, I'm sorry but that's not all women. If you actually did have a girlfriend and she was a cunt to you, again I'm sorry but quite projecting that on all women. It's immature and stupid just like women who hate all men because daddy abused or left them or their boyfriend was a shit head.

More like literally no reason for everyone in society to work but (((they))) keep pushing the meme that it's still essential

Men work so the woman can stay at home and nurture the kids, dumbass. If a woman is provided for by her man and still wants to play Wonder Woman she shouldn't have had kids anyway.

Also if you get an abortion you should be sterilized.

>this entire post

Even if that was true, why are men still relegated to dregs of society while women are valued simply for existing?

Men don't even love their children though! If they did why would they work all day and never want to raise them and just let women do it? Kek

But no seriously women can have other passions besides just kids like men do. That's why actually, women choose careers that are important to them regardless of how much they get paid unlike men. I'm not going to explain it again because I hate repeating mysel though so:

>work in an office with several cute as fuck HR girls
>as far as I tell they barely do anything
>all the men in the office are always hitting on them
>they walk around with very tight dresses etc
>meanwhile I am obese, work very hard, etc etc
>tfw beta and also a virgin
>whenever the HR girls send out emails to the whole office I save them in a special folder
>forward them to my actual email address
>masturbate to them at home and pretend that they sent emails to my personal email address because they are sexually attracted to me

Man why the fuck are HR women so damned sexy. it fucking sucks so bad that I have to deal with this shit everyday. the worst part is that I can't even hit on them because I have previously been warned for sexual harassment in the office and they would be creeped out (it wasn't my fault, basically i saw a very fat girl with her change stuck in a vending machine and i made a joke, i said 'at least now your change is stuck in the vending machine you won't have to suck in the baby machine' and patted her belly'. not really sexual at all).

So you have no rebuttals so you just assume I am from Reddit and don't bother to read my post just because I used the word "STFU"
Ok, user.
But a fetus is still not a baby and men as a group have still pushed for murduring their own actual new born babies since antiquity for convenience(especially baby girls).
Just to reiterate, so you can get it through your head and neck beforesay something so ignorant again.

A woman's first duty is to her children and her husband. The husband sacrifices his time so the woman can be with the children and love and nurture them. The woman in turn devotes her time to family.

Career women fell for a meme or are just lesbians. Eventually people like you will get outbred by Muslims and Amish, and I hope I live to see the day your kind are once again suppressed.

How do you explain the biggest proponents of child murder today bring female?

Not Veeky Forumsrelated.
No one cares about your personal sob stories and tfwngf. Go away.
Stop derailing the thread.

Not Veeky Forumsrelated. this is politics now so stop before I report your posts.
Anyway, fetuses are not children. They aren't even babies.
Just stop already. You will find many girls want to do abortions over adoption because they know once they have the actual baby they probably won't want to give it up. Women are generally like this after they give birth(exceptions mental illness) That's why using surrogate mother's can be a problem often. The mom literally can give up her baby.

If most women are not capable of loving their own children, trust me, your mother would have killed you a long time ago because you are an annoying shit and I have no idea how anyone puts up with you. NEETs are literal proof that a mother's love is forever. Now go away.

I'm not even that guy you insufferable cunt. But you sure seem to love talking about how much men like to kill babies, which is apparently his related, but not related when I show that most abortion advocates are female today

>drafted into army in 1941
>slog through blood, bone, guts, and blood
>cradle your best friend as he bleeds to death,deaths weeping to go home
>come home
>work grueling 12 hour shift in a factory to support your family
>enter your house that you worked so hard for
>"Honey look! I spent all day making this!"

No wonder spousal abuse spiked in the 50s.

>All those oughts
Man, essentialism is strong in this one.
>Amish women
Amish women work though. the house work they do is actual work because they lack modern conveniences. It harkens back to the time when strict gender roles actually made sense. We made a thread about this before.
>Muslims
Lol I love how alt right fools can simultaneous hate and live Islam all at once proving their insanity, yet they accuse feminists of doing this.
Islam promotes polygany meaning beta males like you hardly get a chance to have a wife anyway.

Why not push for policies that make businesses be more accommodating to families and family planning so maybe women can have more time to have kids? And actually be a good husband to help help out with raising them? Perhaps that would boost the birth date more.but no, you would rather push policies that forces all women(unsustainability) to stay at home even if that is not what they want. Because you know what every woman wants? B
Corporations should be allowed to continue treating workers(men like women) like shit because of" muh captalism"

the depression and rationing had people wanting to try new things.

you also had food companies publishing cook books. that suggested using their products in everything. to raise sales.

>honey it's really great that you support me and the kids but I get bored around here so I want a divorce and I'm getting a job

Should it be legal for men to kill their wives?

You mean policies that allow women to dump their kids in daycare and keep working while destroying the idea of housewife, like in Scandinavia? Yeah, naw. I'd rather live under sharia than your nanny state atheist hellhole.

Antiquity is historical. I was disproving your point that women don't love their children(I even used 1 modern example too with postpartum situations but you ignored it) an I'm assuming you think men always do.

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No court in the world, not even a liberal bastion like California would grant a divorce because "I'm bored."

Also if your woman leaves you for no reason you're weak. You are literally not strong enough to keep a woman.

Betas are disgusting.

No, policies that allow women to breast feed on the job or have a space to. Policies that always allow maternity leave without issues and some paternity leave since guys should be allowed to see their kids too and it helps out.
Men should have more direct input in raising their kids than the past which wasn't/isn't fair to them and also currently isn't fair to women who want to have a career too. I'm of course assuming men love their kids at least a bit though so I may be over my head. I hope I'm not though.
But no, we have to appeasing corporations so they can make their massive profits without regard for people.

Shit I'm getting off topic though.

Conclusion:women should be allowed to self actualize in other ways besides just being a mother if they want the same way men do. Forcing all women to be house wives like the past isn't very sustainable. Modern work on average is not so hard that they all should be forced to stay home and raise kids who will grow in no time to be out the house for school 5 hours a day anyway.
Tbf, men should also be able to self actualize they way they want, even if it means just being a good. Let people live how they want/what's best for them.
What is wrong with that?

>Finally able to stop working thanks to progress
>Nothing to do except either have affairs, get fat watching TV and listening to radio, or becoming a wageslave
>Becoming a wageslave is the worst of these possible outcomes